THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating

www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

[Howlin]

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.

[DrStu]

Here's the deal on the IBM Executive. First of all, the Exec was not particularly common but was certainly used at the higher levels of most big corporations, most physician's and other professional's offices, and frequently found in Government during the 60s and early 70s before the Selectric transition. The Executive had proportional spacing. The Executive could be ordered with any number of typefaces, though the standard one was sans serif. A quick look at eBay will show none for sale; they come up VERY rarely.

It is possible, though rather unlikely, that someone installed a small "th" and that the typist rotated the platen slightly to get the superscript. People keep talking online and in the news about whether the typewriter had superscript capacity...bull(*&$(...all typewriters had that; you simply rotated the paper slightly and got sub- and superscripts to your heart's content.

What is VERY unlikely, however, is that the typewriter had smart quotes installed. There is at least one occasion within one of the memos where a contraction is used. The apostrophe on a typewriter is always ', never a smart quote facing the correct direction. The IBM Executive did not have so many extra positions that anyone would have bothered putting in directional quotation marks. Never saw one with that.

-- DrStu (whose office typewriter is an IBM Executive C model)

[chuckjuhl]

If you would like to get a much clearer representation of the CBS documents, do this:

1. Get the PDF copies of the documents that are on CBS website
2. Using the FUL version of Adobe acrobat (not the free reader) export the images to jpeg files.
3. Open the jpeg files in Adobe Photoshop.
4. Resize the images to 8.5" width

Now you have a much clearer representation of the documents. This is because CBS most likely scanned the documents as JPEG files and then imported the JPEGS into PDF files. The PDF files will contain the original jpeg, but there are limitations as to the resolution that the PDF viewer will display the file. So to get to view the file at maximum resolution, you have to export it out of the PDF file.

Now, please, get the documents out of the PDF files, resize them to actual size, then blow them up and start looking at them carefully. It should be fairly obvious that they copies that CBS used were not photocopies, but most likely were carbon copies. Also, it is evident from the character placements that these documents were not made using a modern wordprocessor printing to a laser or inject printer.

Notice the letters that fall below or above the baselines. This was also common on carbon copies - carbon paper was slick this caused some slippage between the master and the copy when the imprint element struck. This was a product of the mechanical nature of typewriters as well.

I find it incredible that no one has brought up the issue of whether the CBS copies are carbon copies or photocopies - most especially since it is very unlikely that there would have been contemporaneous photocopies, but it is very, very likely that there would have been contemporaneous CARBON COPIES.

If you examine them closely, it appears very, very likely that the images are from carbon copies, and not from photocopies. CBS states it is working from copies, but they have not said what type of copies. Back in the early 70's photocopies (or xerox copies as they were called) were not nearly as common as carbon copies.

Look at the PDF copies that are on the CBS website. You can see the almost "3D" image of the paper, where it has some crumpling. CBS scanned these at 300 dpi on a scanner. These PDFs are not copies of Faxes, or of recent photocopies. These are scans of what appear to be well-worn papers.

Next, look at the broken vertical artifact lines on the May 4, 1972 document and the August 18, 1973 document. This type of artifact on a document is characteristic of a carbon copy. These lines usually were caused by the little wheel on the paper hold down bar. Carbon paper transferred image by pressure, so any pressure on the top sheet would transfer to the carbons. Often, the vertical line of artifacts would only appear on the first carbon copy in a set (the military used a lot of 4-part sets, but also many times clerks would reuse carbon paper)

Now look closely at all of the documents in the CBS PDF files. Get a magnifying glass, enlarge the image - whatever. Please notice how the edges of the characters are "feathered" or have a "shadow" and how the characters are less distinctly defined than with even photocopied type. This is a characteristic of carbon copies. This is because the type wheel (or bar) is imprinting through the original and at least one sheet of carbon paper.

Now, look at all of the documents one at a time carefully. Please notice the large number types of artifacts. These artifacts are characteristic of carbon copies.

Carbon copies cannot be made with laser printers or inkjet printers. Carbon copies can only be made with devices that imprint characters. Dot matrix printers can make carbon copies, but dot matrix printers do not produce solid characters if these were carbons from a dot matrix, the dots would be evident even with these copies.

The only feasible way to make carbon copies is with a cold type device - a typewriter or impact typesetting device.

If Killian kept copies of documents in a CYA file - as one of his former typists has alleged, then he would most likely have had carbon copies and not photo copies.

If CBS has carbon copies, then that would tend to disprove that the documents were created with a modern word processor

[GOP_1900AD]

Wild_Bill_8881
Since Sep 5, 2004

Hmmmmm......

[GOP_1900AD]

I missed this one way back when. This is yet further evidence.

[GOP_1900AD]

More evidence I missed back then. Fascinating. The second look damns the forgeries even more!

[GOP_1900AD]

aushop
Since Sep 14, 2004

This one's even more suspicious. Although the Wild Bill guy is also suspicious - may have signed up just as 60 Minutes 2 did their thing, simply to monitor here for anything that might come up. The time frame would have been about right, IIRC. BTW - the Wild Bill guy only seems to come here when there is some sort of hot news involving a Dem created scandal attempt. Look at his / her posting history and you'll see what I mean. Of note, on a number of Sheehan threads ... FWIW ...

[GOP_1900AD]

Of forensic note - this post was one of two this individual made, only on the Buckhead Rathergate thread - the longer thread.

[GOP_1900AD]

amnicbra
Since Sep 12, 2004

Another one. One post only, on this thread only, sad attempt at slowing down the inevitable or plain old spying by MSM / 'rats. In retrospect this thread is as bad as any of the MD4Bush ones in terms of the drive bys by MSM and / or 'rat operatives.

[GOP_1900AD]

chuckjuhl
Since Sep 16, 2004

Verrrrry interesting posting history - two posts. Note the topic of the most recent of the two. Verrrrrry intersting indeed!

[ntnychik]

Look for FReepmail about this baby.

[ntnychik]

Look for FReepmail about this baby.

[CedarDave]

Link to thread about the events of Memogate/Rathergate now memorialized in Bill Sammons new book:

STRATEGERY: BUSH CHEERS DECLINE OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA, RISE OF ALTERNATIVE PRESS

"I wonder if Drudge will "release" the part of Sammon's book about how FREEPERS at FreeRepublic uncovered Dan Rather's duplicity w/forged documents."
"You'll find Sammon's account of the Freepers and what they uncovered on p.144 of his book, "Stategery". And he names names!! "Carolinamom

[Txsleuth]

The first freeper that mentioned the documents on the original thread was TankerKC...good for him.

[hole_n_one]

The first freeper that mentioned the documents on the original thread was TankerKC...

Who?

lol!

[Txsleuth]

I am SO sorry....we were discussing this topic on the Middle East thread...someone posted the threads from the night that Rathergate started..and I posted to the wrong thread...

LOL..I didn't mean to bother you!

[NordP]

Pinging myself to my historic post...what a night this was! Way to go Buckhead, Howlin, all ...fine American minds can’t be beat ;-)