Skip to comments.60 Minutes Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
Posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by Peach
Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:41 PM EST
By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor September 09, 2004 02:34 pm
'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program. More to Come
You are correct! Only recent years did the Air Force start using addresses for their offices. At Wright-Patterson the address would have been: HQ AFLC/CC and on the next line Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 -- no street addresses.
When we had Mobilization Assistants into our office we had to change the signature block from USAF to USAFR
following the rank.
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Lack of letterhead bothers me a lot and the address is not how any I have ever seen addresses. Where is the unit address like 2750th ABW/SP?
Also when referencing a member of the military you had to write the service number changed to SSN behind his name so there could be no doubt and the full name was written out.
Your idea was timely and so very important. You have stood up for our President, and even more importantly, for the NEED for our press to present the truth of FACE the consequences. Thank GOD for the internet and especially for this fine forum.
AG-I am remembering other times when FR helped to bring forth the truth...especially the downside legacy of billy klinton! How we worked on that!
And on WACO (how that one hurt our hearts)
And on what seems like a thousand other assaults against our culture and constitutional foundations by the clinton reign of terror!
Just as Linux challenged the MS monopoly ...
'open source' blogging is challenging the MSM monopoly.
That's low, cruel and despicable, but oh so appropriate. :)
I was stationed at AFLC HQ from 1 Aug 77 to 1 May 81. DCS Plans and Programs.
At this guy's level in the ANG, you would have had to jump through hoops to get a Memo copied. Just didn't happen. At MAJCOM we had Xerox machines but the only one you didn't have to get approval was the one we had in the Command Section for our use. Memo's for the Record were not something in those days you could have gotten copied.
Thanks, that's what I suspected. My recollection is that a carbon copy was immediately recognizable; never having the crispness of the original. I wonder if the fraudbusters out there are old enough to remember what an original carbon copy looked like?
"Hmm ... is it slander or libel if defamation of character is performed on TV ?"
Spoken words are slander - written is libel. Oddly, this seems to be both.
I think it will turn out to be proven that Blather and CBS knew these docs were phony..and that they know who created them...a well-known rat who will be exposed to save Blather from going to jail. [I can always wish]
They are often copyrighted as well.
That's the first organization I worked in when it was just DCS/Plans and then a short time later it became Plans and Programs. Small world! If I remember, you guys were right outside the Command Section on the 2nd floor.
Carbon copies were fuzzy on the yellow (we used yellow for the file copy) and when making a copy of one it was much fuzzier then these.
...that cinches it no friggen typewriter could make the same document,,,,another dead giveaway is the centered letterhead in the same font which is impossible to do on a typewriter.. They would have used preprinted letterhead back then also..
The fact that they are such blatant forgeries makes me a little cautious, this may be getting too much free publicity for my liking
It still couldnt do superscripts in a smaller typeface plus the dead giveaway that its a forgery is the PERFECTLY CENTERED and typed letterhead. It is so difficult to perfectly center 3 lines in seccession that for routine correspondence like this, there would have been PRE-PRINTED letterhead,,,with a P.O. Box for an address, (very strange),,
instead of the completely typed out forgery that was shown.... a crude forgery for political purposes no doubt in my military mind.
Was in the military and we had preprinted forms for everything never started with a blank sheet of paper, here we have a blank sheet....LOL
Maybe, it's time to go back and look at ALL of Kerry's military "documents", there MAY be something interesting THERE.
bump (for more exposure)...
(for the Biblical crowd: last phrase of Numbers 32:23)
That's for sure and for a reprinting of this book.....
Al Gore will show up there in a bikini at the loser's speech. Al must have finally realized he was a woman trapped inside of a beta male's body.
Thank you so much for all your kind words and encouragements! Indeed, Freepers are awesome when they engage to research. It is an honor to be part of this team.
Thanks, fellow FReeper, for the links provided in post # 36! That was GREAT fun! BIG user of Allegra here (damp, humid climate) so I went to Aventis to respond. I did not like divulging all of the personal info before it would allow me to submit to the site, but they can check it out; it is legit, and they can verify it through purchasing records (as if they will have the time to do so now with the flood of responses....)
Basically I asked why they supported the networks, or if they would continue to do so in light of today's breaking story. Then I asked, (even though it was not among the 'menu options'), that they respond publicly to the controversy today rather than via an anonymous email to my *required* email address. Without the personal email address the site would not accept my entry. However, I followed with a message that even if by private email, their response would be shared 'widely.'
Guess I will be in touch, FReepers, with additional information once I have the 'official' (panicked) response....
"Don't cry for me, Argentina?"
(or would that be "Don't cry for me, North Carolina"....)
>>I assure you, NO ONE in the guard or Air Force was using a photostatic copier to prepare file copies of these documents in 1971-1973.
Careful with that one. Dad was at the Pentagon in that time frame, and I have a jokes binder from that era that was generated on early Xerox machines there. The early version of the joke email list was for guys to run 4-5 copies and hand them to their friends.
The New York Post today mentions Free Republic as being first with this story:
Proof that FreeRepublic is more important now than ever!
Whatever it is the fat lady sings when it's over
Please post this as thread by itself.
Then, we can let these sponsors know how poed we are, and that there are excellent alternatives to their stores or products.
It is time to Slim Fast these sponsors of the forging liars of CBS!
When were you there? We had Gen Estes (a really nasty person) when I got there, then Gen Marquez (a really great guy) as DCS/Plans and Programs while I was there. We were about halfway down buiding 262, second floor, right across from the Credit Union.