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Holy Cow! I just spotted more evidence letter is a fake!
Vanity ^ | 9/9/04 | Vanity

Posted on 09/09/2004 1:12:11 PM PDT by dangus

This is hardly absolute proof, but it is evidence of a forgery:

Word processors bump words from one line to the next to allow the most possible writing on a line without causing a word to be broken, and of course, you automatically start the next line, without even noticing this after a while.

Typewriters didn't work that way. They cued you to start a new line with a little bell that went off as you approached the end of a line. For anyone who did much typing, this became extremely Pavlovian: the bell went off, and you whacked the "carriage" to the starting position of a new line. Typically, this was about eight or ten characters away from the end of the line.

Well, the difference is that a word processor will often fit an extra short word after the point at which a typist would have started a new line. True, a poor typist will often hear the bell go off and decide "Aw, heck, I can squeeze an extra word in." But any real typist will be typing fast enough that they will just smack the carriage over.

Well, guess what? The placement of line breaks suggests that the CBS document was produced by a word processor, not a typewriter.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 09/09/2004 1:12:12 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Good catch.
I am still checking on the zip code. I have sent an e-mail to the postal service to check the history of that zip code and if the address is legitimate for that time.
2 posted on 09/09/2004 1:13:52 PM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: dangus; All

Question: What is a Typewriter?


3 posted on 09/09/2004 1:14:02 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: dangus

What if it is fake on purpose? Sort of...

If I was a PA on 60 Minutes charged with creating the digital graphics for this story the following might happen:

After scanning the original documents I find they are illegible digitally. So I retype verbatim screen shot, bring it into PhotoShop, paste, apply a dimestore old XEROX filter, then photoshop out the signature and place it. Deadline met, the stylized graphic for production has been created. In general the networks do not require the actual document be shown, they have often in the past insisted it is ok to display the actual text in whatever format meets their production needs. So long as the content is not changed.

It needs to be confirmed that those images on the web, and in the show are images of the actual documents before this story goes on.

I am just saying we should start with the question are these the real documents? Cause these images are not consistent with the period.

-- l8s
-- jrawk


4 posted on 09/09/2004 1:14:22 PM PDT by jrawk
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To: dangus

Good work. Now send this to CBS. All your original work and make no copies. This is series and hughe.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 1:14:49 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
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To: dangus

what is a little green football?


6 posted on 09/09/2004 1:14:55 PM PDT by Hanging Chad
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To: dangus

Good work.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 1:15:02 PM PDT by spyone
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To: dangus

This has already been explored in depth.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/


8 posted on 09/09/2004 1:17:22 PM PDT by federal
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To: jrawk

I think the main thing is that Terry McAuful and the rest of the RAT horde, has lambasted Bush on these docs in the last 24hrs. I think some apologies are in order. Plus this would immunize W to whatever is down the road. Plus an added befefit would be a possible gag ball in Rather for awhile.


9 posted on 09/09/2004 1:17:40 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
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To: KevinDavis

Is it anything like a "turntable"? Or the "dial" that TV announcers used to tell you not to touch?

Oh, God, I'm old.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 1:18:23 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: jrawk

We'll know soon enough. This is up on Drudge and talk radio. CBS will have to come out with some sort of explanation and if your analysis is correct they'll have to provide the original document.


11 posted on 09/09/2004 1:18:44 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: dangus
You are right that the line breaks work exactly as shown when using 12 point Times New Roman with the default 1 1/2" margins that Microsoft Word provides. And example is here.

You'll also note that contemporaneous Air Force docs are all in courier or some similar non-proportional pitch.

12 posted on 09/09/2004 1:19:01 PM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: Darth Reagan

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


13 posted on 09/09/2004 1:20:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

when was the last time you actually "dialed" a phone..


14 posted on 09/09/2004 1:20:21 PM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: KevinDavis
Question: What is a Typewriter?

Answer: It's that brown thing over on the credenza that all my beanie babies are arranged on.

15 posted on 09/09/2004 1:20:48 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: dangus

Great point. I'd be willing to bet that whoever "did" this document is some young smartarse who doesn't remember life before computers, and has never seen a typewriter.

Remember, there are a lot of people in the country who've never even seen carbon paper. They just sort of assume that Xerox machines have been here all along.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 1:20:48 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: Arkie2
We'll know soon enough. This is up on Drudge and talk radio. CBS will have to come out with some sort of explanation and if your analysis is correct they'll have to provide the original document.

Here's how they're trying to spin out of the forgery issue...

Text of memos about Bush suspension (AP claiming white house released forged docs!)

17 posted on 09/09/2004 1:21:51 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Turntable??? You mean a "Lazy-susan" ??


18 posted on 09/09/2004 1:21:58 PM PDT by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: dangus

You didn't whack a Selectric.


19 posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: jrawk

Please ping me when/if you see evidence that satisfies your concerns on this issue. Thanks in advance.


20 posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:48 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: dangus

Back in the day, hypens were used to continue words onto the next page. Its all but disappeared now that word processing automactically knocks the lenthened word down to the next line below.


21 posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:57 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: SandyInSeattle

What's a beanie baby?



~</;o)


22 posted on 09/09/2004 1:23:20 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: KevinDavis

A typewriter is an old fashioned machine that Lt(jg) Kerry took to Vietnem instead of 10 pounds of underwear so that he could write his fictional diary and awards.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: jrawk

I was a secretary from 1966 to 1985 and went through many types and styles of typewriters from manuals to IBM selectric, to word processors to computer.

I worked for a lot of companies. I have never seen a typewriter of that era able to put "th" above the numbers.

Yes, we did do it manually by half-rolling the cylinder and typing lower-case t and then h and returning the cylinder to its position, but the t and the h would have been standard lower case letters and not the small version in the document.

PS. I also worked for the government.


24 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:06 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Let me repeat this: the web means never having to swallow leftist garbage again. Got it?)
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To: EggsAckley

Or dittos. What a mess those were!

(Yikes! I'm old too)


25 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: mnehrling

I did a search in Mapquest for "5000 Longmont #8 Houston TX 77027". It returns a hit for "5000 Longmont, Houston TX 77056-2419". On an anti-Bush website I came across, "5000 Longmont #8, Houston, TX 77027" is listed as a "documented residence" of George W. Bush during that time period.

Longmont is in the Galleria area, FYI.

BTW, 5000 Longmont #7 is currently listed for sale and the description mentions that it is the former residence of Gene Tierney.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:44 PM PDT by IN Farm Girl (Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God)
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To: EggsAckley

My granddaughter is still trying to figure out how I could have "lived" without a TV. Now that's old!! Wait till I tell her about the ragman, horse and buggy and all!!


27 posted on 09/09/2004 1:25:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: dangus
Back in the day, hypens were used to continue words onto the next page. Its all but disappeared now that word processing automactically knocks the lenthened word down to the next line below.

In addition, you might check out the spacing on that memo. For example, if had typed a long word before I reached "the bell" I would have to use a hypen to continue the word on the next line because I sure damn well could not erase it, unless of course I faked it on a modern day word processor.

28 posted on 09/09/2004 1:25:26 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Is it anything like a "turntable"? Or the "dial" that TV announcers used to tell you not to touch?

If you don't know........The Shadow knows.

29 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:10 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: Arkie2

This lag time just gives CBS more "time" to improve the forgery and make it look more realistic!!!


30 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:39 PM PDT by Maringa
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To: dangus

I think on the bottom where it says "Signed, Epstein's Mother" was the dead-givaway. ;)


31 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: OpusatFR

Excellent point! I'd forgotten about having to roll the carriage up.


32 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:48 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: netmilsmom
Or dittos. What a mess those were!

Yeah, but you could sure get a good buzz off that purple correction fluid!

33 posted on 09/09/2004 1:27:56 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: jrawk
"If I was a PA on 60 Minutes charged with creating the digital graphics for this story the following might happen

I'm not sure if I follow you as far as why a digital replica of the documents may have been made. However I think in the video world the normal process would just be to shine some light on the document and shoot a few seconds of video of the orignal documents. I don't think CBS would have bothered to make digital replicas of the documents, but perhaps you know much more about this than I do, or maybe I am misunderstanding your point.

34 posted on 09/09/2004 1:27:57 PM PDT by dano1
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To: mnehrling

See if you can get a FReeper to check the The Texas State Library and Archives. They'll have City Directries for Houston for that time period...


35 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:03 PM PDT by LRS
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To: netmilsmom
The first computer I worked with was one of those old huge things that needed a room about the size of a parking garage. My job was to de-collate, remove the carbons, then collate and staple the sets together. And then shred the three extra sets that they didn't need. So efficient. LOL!
36 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:11 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: KevinDavis
Since Mar 15, 1999 view home page, enter name:

Is that when you joined or your birth date?


37 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:32 PM PDT by JimVT (I was born a Democrat..but then I grew up)
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To: dangus

Geez, who was the document/forgery expert that CBS used? Helen Keller?
Good catch!


38 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:42 PM PDT by mingusthecat (Mingus has again opined. Like any cat, she doesn't really care what YOU think.)
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To: dangus

maybe 60 minutes needs to investigate 60 minutes


39 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: IN Farm Girl

But ... (dramatic pause) another Freeper has discovered Bush had MOVED from that address before this meno was written.

Check out Bush "real" NG records - they show his address chagne.


40 posted on 09/09/2004 1:29:03 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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41 posted on 09/09/2004 1:29:52 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rolling_stone
"A typewriter is an old fashioned machine that Lt(jg) Kerry took to Vietnem instead of 10 pounds of underwear so that he could write his fictional diary and awards and prepare his own citations for medals and awards etc...."
42 posted on 09/09/2004 1:29:59 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Excellent news! Thanks for posting this.


43 posted on 09/09/2004 1:31:14 PM PDT by IN Farm Girl (Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God)
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To: Sacajaweau

I want to hear about the ragman, too, sac ...


44 posted on 09/09/2004 1:31:42 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: dangus

Shouldn't the memo to W have a serial number? Doesn't all official DoD correspondence have a serial number? If so, that number should be recorded in a log book somewhere, though probably long-destroyed.


45 posted on 09/09/2004 1:31:49 PM PDT by Blue Eyes (When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; IN Farm Girl

I was actually refering to the address for the 111th Squad w/ zip of 77034 (the PO Box Address on a doc image in another thread)..


46 posted on 09/09/2004 1:32:22 PM PDT by mnehring (YP4W)
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To: dangus

This story is getting more and more interesting. It would take mighty big balls for "See B S" to send a known forgery to the WH and then use it for a program. If shown to be true, I would predict the end of "See B S" getting press passes at all to the WH from that point forward. If they just put out lies, why bother to have them there at all?


47 posted on 09/09/2004 1:33:07 PM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: dano1

Who knows, I know this is how it is done a lot, shooting documents would be so time and resource consuming compared to just a USB scanner, and no one would blink an eye. I am just trying to get us to cover our ass by askin:

Are these images of the real documents, because if they are (proceed with selectragate)

-- l8s
-- jrawk


48 posted on 09/09/2004 1:33:24 PM PDT by jrawk (trust but verify)
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To: dangus

You are absolutely correct about this. I remember being ingrained to either stop at a short word or use a "-" to break up the word and continue because there was no such think as wordwrap on a typewriter. I was looking at the (fake) document last night and something was really bugging me about it...this is it.


49 posted on 09/09/2004 1:33:57 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: dangus

50 posted on 09/09/2004 1:35:23 PM PDT by ohioconservative
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