Skip to comments.Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? (UPDATED: "At Least" 90% Positive They're Fake)
Posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:10 PM PDT by TastyManatees
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I spent enough time manually preparing our school's newsmagazine, including service as an article typist relying upon an IBM Seletric that I can say I never saw a superscript 'th' on any of the various Selectric golf balls then available. My stint in this role is around the same time of these documents, and would apparently involve similar typewriting equipment.
"1/2", "1/4" are characters that even some other typewriters I used then, and some of those currently in my collection of same, include.
Why a superscript "th" but no "st" or "nd", for another example?
I further agree about the type itself; the Selectric is the only model of the time in my recollection that would allow for changeable fonts, and Times New Roman was not available until the advent of software word processing.
PBS' Lehrer is about to do a segment on this in a few minutes.....
I thought one site had a great line:
"It's getting to the point where if it were not for the obvious coordination with the Kerry campaign, the New York Times could probably file papers as a 527."
PBS' Jim Lehrer bought the SeeBS line, hook and sinker. No mention of the authenticity of the documents. Nobody ever accused Jim Lehrer of asking tough questions. Let's set the hook tomorrow.
The "document" does not use a superscripted "1st Lieutenant". That doesn't mean anything either way, though... if it was a fake, the author might have overlooked 111th, if it was real (haha), the author may typed out "st" rather than hitting the st key.
Maybe a professional can chime in and let us know if it's easier to type st/th or hit some obscure custom key :)
Oops, I had too many windows open. I meant to say this here on this thread: (instead of here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1211238/posts?page=3#2)
LOL, hey rocklobster11 ! I saw where you first posted it. Good job, showing how easily the fakes could be done!! I agree, with someone quite earlier, who said 'send this to CBS' - LOL. Please do it.
Great skills, you have, I might add.
I think most are still reading stuff about it right about now. Reading and not responding...quite yet.
But this issue should resonate. Ya done good showing how a person could make a fake look somewhat real. My hat's off to you.
You can change Word settings, probably on when to superscript things even.
Number found on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133594/posts
Ask just what "investigation" went into authenticating the memos and whether they will offer an on-air retraction.
Demand they apologize for this EXTREME lapse of journalistic practice and basic skills.
Also, contact the president of CBS News, Andrew Heyward:
Phone: (212) 975-4321
Fax: (212) 975-1893
no problem. perhaps it will get people to go to this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1211238/posts?page=1
It's definitely worth a read.
"Geez, even the most incompetent forger would try to match actual documents from the period."
"Geez, even the most incompetent forger would try..." to find a similar typewriter from the period and then make the forgeries.
This whole episode is so insulting to anyone with a minimal level of commonsense.
Check out that last phrase of Numbers 32:23.
I'm heading out to watch the Patriots (I'm a New Englander)but I've forwarded the memo to ABC and NBC to see if they'll run it (ha, ha).
Tell it to the President of CBS News, Andrew Heyward.
Andrew Heyward -- CBS News
Phone: (212) 975-4321
Fax: (212) 975-1893
Address: 524 W 57th St, New York, NY 10019
FAX him. Load his desk tomorrow morning. My FAX is already there.
I basically asked him if he was satisfied having his reputation dependent on Dan Rather and the folks at 60 Minutes.
The low-powered moron who typed this garbage used the default settings. Therefore, busted.
What are the chances that a heterosexual male would have these skills in the early 1970s, before computers made typists of us all, though?
1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
abc has already questioned if the CBS docs are legit.... I know... amazing isn't it:)
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