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The typography expert's conclusion?
Dr. Bouffard ran this number and could not find a match in his entire database of over 4,000 typewriter fonts that have been maintained and collected into his computer database since 1988. Otherwise, the font is very indicative of Times New Roman, the font that is only available on computer word processing programs.
And what of CBS' claim to have verified the documents before publication?
* He said that he didn't know who CBS contacted to verify the document's authenticity, but that there is really only one other man that may be more qualified to determine authentic typefaces than himself. I think that the burden of proof may be on CBS to reveal this information.

I asked him to put a percentage on the chances that this was a fake, and he said that was "hard to put a number on it." I then suggested "90%?" Again he said it's "hard to put an exact number, but I'd say it's at least that high, sure. I pretty much agree that that font is Times New Roman."

1 posted on 09/09/2004 1:22:12 PM PDT by TastyManatees
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To: TastyManatees

Fox needs to jump all over this!!


2 posted on 09/09/2004 1:23:43 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: TastyManatees

Soooo does this mean we will be hearing this in the mainstream media tonight? I doubt it.


3 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:29 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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Nice work. Sorry I jumped all over you earlier.


4 posted on 09/09/2004 1:24:35 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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If these were forgeries, wouldn't President Bush know that and have the White House all over the issue?


5 posted on 09/09/2004 1:25:48 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: TastyManatees

What if it is fake on purpose? Sort of...

If I was a PA on 60 Minutes charged with creating the digital graphics for this story the following might happen:

After scanning the original documents I find they are illegible digitally. So I retype verbatim screen shot, bring it into PhotoShop, paste, apply a dimestore old XEROX filter, then photoshop out the signature and place it. Deadline met, the stylized graphic for production has been created. In general the networks do not require the actual document be shown, they have often in the past insisted it is ok to display the actual text in whatever format meets their production needs. So long as the content is not changed.

It needs to be confirmed that those images on the web, and in the show are images of the actual documents before this story goes on.

I am just saying we should start with the question are these the real documents? Cause these images are not consistent with the period.

-- l8s
-- jrawk


6 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:12 PM PDT by jrawk (trust but verify)
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Below is what I typed on my computer using word 2000, Times New Roman. This sure looks like the same as the memo being passed around to me.

19 May 1972


Memo to File

SUBJECT: Discussion with Bush, 1 st Lt Bush

1. Phone call from Bush. Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November. I told him he could do ET for three months or transfer. Says he wants to transfer to Alabama to any unit he can get in to. Says that he is working on another campaign for his dad.


2. Physical. We talked about him getting his flight physical situation fixed before his date. Says he will do that in Alabama if he stays in a flight status. He has this campaign to do and other things that will follow and may not have the time. I advise him of our investment in him and his commitment. He’s been working with staff to come with options and identified a unit that may accept him. I told him I had to have written acceptance before he would be transferred, but think he’s also talking to someone upstairs.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 1:26:42 PM PDT by greatgranny
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As far as CBS is concerned, the 60 Minute Bush document episode N-E-V-E-R happened.

You just watch.

8 posted on 09/09/2004 1:27:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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WOW! The blogosphere is all over this and it's running like wildfire. There's ahardly a blog out there not discussing this now.

It's difficult to keep up with it all but it seems that the biggest giveaway is not just the proportional spacing which (although rare) was available on some typewriters at the time, but the font, the line breaks which corresponds 100% to MS Word, the typeface (Times New Roman - rare or unavailable on typewriters at the time). Also, some of the language used, the abbreviations, etc. are very uncharacteristic of the military at that time.


9 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:27 PM PDT by Trippin
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Now we're getting somewhere. This has enough specifics to demand access to the original document. At the very least, the most nearly original copy, one that hasn't been scanned electronically.

Now we can get past the irrelevant issues of the superscript and proportional font.

It would be really cool to demand a fistful of documents from the same time and same office to see if the font matches exactly.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 1:28:35 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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What is so stunning is that Rather and friends believe that people in this country are so stupid that no one would know it was a fraud.


11 posted on 09/09/2004 1:30:04 PM PDT by Toespi
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Why doesn't someone contact IBM (since they made the only proportional font equipment in the early 70's). Surely they have an archive of their texts-- and if its not theirs, its fake.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 1:31:23 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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Awesome work...

Just goes to show what the lib dems will stoop to.....

I wonder what harkin will say on this now, that pathetic piece of crap excuse of a senator....


16 posted on 09/09/2004 1:31:38 PM PDT by Sonar5
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Send this to Jim.Angle@foxnews.com (he actually replies)

Also try brit.hume@foxnews.com.

Also CALL FNC and ask to be connected to a reporter with these findings.


17 posted on 09/09/2004 1:32:32 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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Howie Carr, Boston Herald, RKO Radio Boston, is now reading the articles on air....audience New England and NY.


29 posted on 09/09/2004 1:37:32 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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If you fire up Word with default margins and default font (Times New Roman at 12 pts), and type the text of the memos yourself, the results are exactly the same as the pdfs of the actual memos. Characters line up with characters on adjacent lines perfectly. (I did this myself with the last memo.) It's hard to avoid the conclusion that not only are these memos fake, they're not even very good fakes. I hope this ends Rather's career.


30 posted on 09/09/2004 1:37:37 PM PDT by megatherium
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The above is a superimposition of an MS Word 2002 document (red) and the "original" memo (gray).

The document was typed using Times New Roman size 12. The document used the standard MS Word formatting. The only deviation: The header was further indented 1/8th of an inch from the default.

In order to superimpose the 2, the original was resized twice, once in the horizontal direction and once in the vertical. The relative proportions were NOT changed on either document.

Anybody would like to guess the chances that a 1970's typewriter and a 2002 version of MS Word would yield documents that are so similar???

35 posted on 09/09/2004 1:40:41 PM PDT by mwilli20 (Kerry is supported by criminal forgeries! Go ahead and vote for him!)
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Can someone dig up other documents prepared by this guy around the same time to see if they match the type on these? Go!


39 posted on 09/09/2004 1:42:05 PM PDT by billb
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New show on SeeBS: Campaign Slander Investigation (CSI)

Watch as the CSI crew investigates their own network's participation in slander, libel and outright forgery. Special guest star James Carville gets maced, billy clubbed and cuffed by Captain Brass.

42 posted on 09/09/2004 1:42:37 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (cong rec 27.3.86 jk speech doubleplusungood malreported cambodia rectify)
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To: TastyManatees; Buckhead
Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery

Ba-loney.

pwoerlineblog.com credits freeper Buckhead's Post 47 [ Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard ] posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT.

Freerepublic and freeper Buckhead deserve the credit.

They did their job. The blogsphere did its job, carrying the ball after it got handed off to them.
46 posted on 09/09/2004 1:46:31 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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This message is for DNC chairman Terry the tool McCauliffe, you are going to have to eat the same shit you produced, hahahahaah LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR


55 posted on 09/09/2004 1:53:22 PM PDT by erik22lax
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