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CBS'S BIG BLUNDER? (Credits Free Republic)
New York Post ^ | 9/10/04 | JOHN PODHORETZ

Posted on 09/09/2004 10:31:38 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 09/09/2004 10:55:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

September 10, 2004 -- THE populist revolu tion against the so- called mainstream media continues. Yesterday, the citizen journalists who produce blogs on the Internet — and their engaged readers — engaged in the wholesale exposure of what appears to be a presidential-year dirty trick against George W. Bush. What the bloggers and their audiences did was call into profound question the authenticity of four documents proudly trumpeted by CBS News in a much-heralded investigative report on Wednesday night's edition of "60 Minutes" about the president's National Guard service in the early 1970s.

These were "previously unseen documents . . . obtained by '60 Minutes,' " the network bragged Wednesday night on its Web site. Their author, supposedly, was Bush's squadron commander, Jerry Killian, who died 20 years ago.

They "include a memorandum from May 1972," CBS reports, "where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about 'how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November.' " A document dated "18 August 1973" complains that Killian is being asked to "sugar coat" Bush's record. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," the document says.

Liberals went wild with glee about the story, especially after the onslaught on John Kerry's Vietnam record by his fellow Swift-boat veterans.

Kevin Drum, the most talented of the left-wing bloggers, wrote: "This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the Swift-boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but . . . in the National Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are true."

[snip]The Minneapolis lawyers who run powerlineblog.com were on the case early. Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site, the 47th posting on the topic there. Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then.

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1 posted on 09/09/2004 10:31:38 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Wow, whadda day... and now Drudge reports there's an internal investigation launched at CBS... Is it Christmas already??? :)))


3 posted on 09/09/2004 10:34:25 PM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: kattracks

These were "previously unseen documents . . . obtained by '60 Minutes,' " the network bragged Wednesday night on its Web site. Their author, supposedly, was Bush's squadron commander, Jerry Killian, who died 20 years ago.


And this is the best they have! CBS is going down the drain.


4 posted on 09/09/2004 10:34:46 PM PDT by Just Lori (It's time for a national Liberalectomy!)
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To: kattracks

This is a must read article. It warmed the cockles of my uncompassionate conservative heart.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 10:36:17 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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To: Spanaway Lori

I hope CBS can get sued. The amount of forensic evidence in the docs, suggesting forgery, is huge.


6 posted on 09/09/2004 10:36:37 PM PDT by Tax Government (Before there is faith, there must be hope.)
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To: Speartip
Freeper mentioned.

Who was post 47? Howlin?

The Minneapolis lawyers who run powerlineblog.com were on the case early. Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site — the 47th posting on the topic there.

Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then.

7 posted on 09/09/2004 10:36:40 PM PDT by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: kattracks

Great article. And congrats to the poster of post 47. I belive it was Howlin', right?


8 posted on 09/09/2004 10:36:43 PM PDT by Cosmo (Hey Dems! Just where are those memoes of mass destruction!?)
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To: kattracks
Podhoretz nails with a ball-ping hammer.

This fiasco will haunt the DNC for the rest of this election cycle.

9 posted on 09/09/2004 10:37:21 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: kattracks; All

Post # 47 will liver forever. How cool is that? It's exciting that an average citizen who has been taking it from Rather for decades got payback. Hoo-ah!!!


10 posted on 09/09/2004 10:37:28 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Tax Government

"I hope CBS can get sued."

Where is The Great One (Mark Levin) when you need him??


11 posted on 09/09/2004 10:38:52 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Carling

Can someone post the thread with post 47?


12 posted on 09/09/2004 10:38:53 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: faithincowboys
Post # 47 will liver forever. How cool is that? It's exciting that an average citizen who has been taking it from Rather for decades got payback. Hoo-ah!!!

That is way, way cool!!! I am SO PROUD to be a part of FreeRepublic!!!

13 posted on 09/09/2004 10:38:54 PM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: kattracks
I hate it when big, fast-moving stories happen at night.

I'm working eleven hours for the GOP tomorrow, and I have got to go to bed. But I'm afraid as soon as I turn the computer off, something big is going to break.

14 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:06 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: kattracks

> ... they have been unmasked by ordinary people who can see
> what they and their hired experts evidently could not.

Based on other reports, it appears that the only vetting
CBS did was to make a phone call to one of the senior
officers mentioned in the fake docs, who just happens
to also be a Dean supporter.

All the real hired experts interviewed by other reporters,
pundits and hosts today, all agree that these docs are at
the very least highly suspicious.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:17 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: kattracks

Which post did the #47 post reference in this article come from? That post should be a permanent golden link on the main page.


16 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:19 PM PDT by microgood
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To: kattracks

Very nicely done.


17 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:30 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Speartip
PLEASE ADD TO TITLE

FreeRepublic credited with starting Memogate!!!

The Minneapolis lawyers who run powerlineblog.com were on the case early. Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site — the 47th posting on the topic there.

Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then.

From there it was off to the races.

18 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:35 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: kattracks; Poohbah; HairOfTheDog; Howlin
"Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site — the 47th posting on the topic there.

Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then."

Hi Everyone over at DUh, hope you all are enjoying this as much as we are!

19 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: IPWGOP; All

I know. Who's post was it that took down the Old Media empire?


20 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:43 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: kattracks; Jim Robinson; Howlin
This article proves that it was FR who brought this scandal to light!!!!! Congratulations!!!

Howlin, did you write post 47??

21 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:44 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: kattracks

Justice will be done when Dan Rather has to go on Fox News and apologize.


22 posted on 09/09/2004 10:40:59 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: kattracks

Great article. This story had better have Daddy Long Legs.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 10:41:33 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: IPWGOP

Who is the guy that wrote Post #47? We should all give this guy thanks!


24 posted on 09/09/2004 10:41:36 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: kattracks
And the fun is only beginning.

If we find out that it was someone inside the Kerry campaign that perpetrated this hoax, it will pretty much destroy his chances of winning the election. It makes you wonder if Baghdad Bob is the campaign manager for Senator Kerry.

25 posted on 09/09/2004 10:41:44 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: kattracks

26 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Carling
Like this:

Posted on 09/08/2004 7:39:18 PM EDT by Howlin

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead.

27 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:12 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: kattracks
"The Minneapolis lawyers who run powerlineblog.com were on the case early. Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site — the 47th posting on the topic there.

Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then.

Free Republic rocks. LOL

28 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
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To: faithincowboys
There was a post on 9-11 I'll never forget....in the first "Breaking News" thread about the first plane hitting the WTC several people posted "ANOTHER PLANE JUST HIT!!!".

And then a FReeper....I can never remember who, immediately said "Can you say Osama Bin Laden"

Reading it a year later, it amazed me how astute that post was.  It's still there...I'm just too lazy to find it.

29 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:49 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: kattracks
"Kevin Drum, the most talented of the left-wing bloggers, wrote: "This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the Swift-boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but . . . in the National Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are true."

Oh, I wouldn't say that at all. The documents are false. But, the charges against kerry are true, and those documents aren't false. All Kerry has to do is release them, which he won't. If he had nothing to hide, he would release them. ALL OF THEM. Blogger revolt against the one sided MSM? You bet. Interesting as well is that Steve Pitkin's sworn affidavit regarding kerry's arm twisting to make him lie to the Senate investigation at the winter soldier investigation gets no traction at all. Not to mention all the other kerry lies that it reveals.

30 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:09 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Howlin; Jim Robinson
CBS made the four documents available in their original form on its Web site Wednesday night.

And by yesterday morning, they were being examined with a fine tooth comb.

The Minneapolis lawyers who run powerlineblog.com were on the case early. Two of the blog's readers directed their attention to a note left on an Internet bulletin board on the freerepublic.com Web site — the 47th posting on the topic there.

Post No. 47 pointed out that there was something off about these documents from the 1970s: The spacing between the letters and the words was proportional, and only a few IBM electric typewriters could achieve that effect back then.

From there it was off to the races. Once anyone who had had experience writing and typing in the 1970s began examining the documents, it was impossible not to see some weird anachronisms that suggested they had been crafted not on a 1970s typewriter, but using Microsoft Word.

31 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Tax Government

Isn't forging military documents a felony? ...just noticed the apostrophe in isn't doesn't curve...is this a pre 1972 software program?


32 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:12 PM PDT by spyone
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To: IPWGOP

Wow! Did you do that?


33 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:24 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: Howlin; TankerKC; Buckhead

Tip of the hat to yall.


34 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
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To: Yaelle; MeekOneGOP

Post of the Century post #47?!!!


35 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:40 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: faithincowboys
Post # 47 will liver forever.

Oh no, I hope you haven't started another "hugh", "series", etc.......

36 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:50 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: Carling
I believe Post #47 was from Buckhead

Post #47

37 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:01 PM PDT by Unmarked Package
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To: kattracks; Admin Moderator

Moderator should add to title, (Free Republic Mentioned!)


38 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:09 PM PDT by PianoMan (And now back to practicing)
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To: Admin Moderator

You just did it, never mind!


39 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:29 PM PDT by PianoMan (And now back to practicing)
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To: mikegi
All your liver are belong to us!

-PJ

40 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: IPWGOP; Howlin
I am SO PROUD to be a part of FreeRepublic!!!

Me too!

Great job, Howlin'!

41 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:50 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch!)
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To: Travis McGee
Freeper History in the making:

Posted on 09/08/2004 7:39:18 PM EDT by Howlin

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead.

42 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:57 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: microgood; The South Texan; Cosmo

See my post above. TankerKC mentions it first, then Buckhead.


43 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:58 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for those links. You made some history today and are senior officers in the new media revolution. George Washington would be proud.


44 posted on 09/09/2004 10:45:24 PM PDT by microgood
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To: kattracks
Post # 47

To: Howlin

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 8:59:43 PM PDT by Buckhead
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45 posted on 09/09/2004 10:45:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated

yep


46 posted on 09/09/2004 10:45:59 PM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: Unmarked Package

I nominate Buckhead (Post 47) for Freeper of the Year!


47 posted on 09/09/2004 10:46:18 PM PDT by Strider
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It's ironic that the liberal mainstream media thinks they are helping Kerry by sitting on these stories; but they are actually killing Kerry's chances. It was the same thing with the Swiftie story.

When will the liberal media realize that they can help the most just by reporting these stories straight-up? When they sit on the stories they only cause the stories to gather stream and push their dear Kerry further out of the news. The best thing the liberal media could do, if they really want to help Kerry, is just report the news instead of trying to manage it. They think they are helping Kerry, but they aren't.

48 posted on 09/09/2004 10:46:18 PM PDT by dano1
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To: P-Marlowe

What a day!

The day the old media dinosaur was smashed by the incoming new media meteor!


49 posted on 09/09/2004 10:46:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Howlin

I think that you and Buckhead deserve some kind of prize/honor!


50 posted on 09/09/2004 10:46:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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