Compare this Democrat.com Doc with the CBS Fakes

9/10/04 | The Bandit

[The Bandit]

Would appear some democrat by the name of coldfeet has made very similar documents as those CBS used. Notice the use use of the superscript in the below sample document. A article on Bush AWOL on democrat.com that was written in 2000 links to it (a href=http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=157>Click Here.)

Let me paste a background quote from the page here:

As Marty Heldt points out in TomPaine.com, a document entitled "Military Biography of George Walker Bush" shows that Bush was subsequently assigned to headquarters in Denver from October 2, 1973 to November 21, 1974. He concludes that Bush was "punished" with 6 months of additional inactive duty beyond his original scheduled termination on May 26, 1974.

Perhaps some freepers can give this a close examination to see if they are the same fonts (I would but I am brain dead at this hour.)

[An.American.Expatriate]

hey bandit,

when was this document supposedly created??

[The Bandit]

Must been 2000 since the document that links to it is from 2000. How can I fix that link now that it is posted?

[Crazieman]

Irrelevant. It has already been proven the bogus documents correspond to all word spacing, wrapping, and font rules used by Microsoft Word.

As a close inspection note, yes, it looks similar. However, examine it in relation to "o" and "t" (ot) letter combinations, it does not sandwich (kearn?) the letters into empty spaces like the word processed documents were.

[Crazieman]

As an additional note, the mere fact of text "kearning" makes the documents absolute provable fakes. That is something a typewriter will NEVER EVER duplicate.

[Smedley]

This document is NOT from 1972. It is a summary of GWB's war record typed much later.

[ambrose]

No one said superscripts did not exist at all back then - they said they weren't available on common typewriters typically found in a local Guard base. A doc like this would have been more likely generated by the Air Force.

[Crazieman]

Yes, I know. Its a retype by an insane liberal desperately trying to cling to a fantasy world.

I'm explaining why the documents are absolute fakes and could never ever be replicated by common typewriter.

[Warhead W-88]

I hope you're right, because it does contain superscripted "th's," which is one of the most rock-solid pieces of evidence that the documents are fake. What is your evidence that this is a Y2000 summary? But there is a lot more evidence those docs are fake. Including these Top Ten Other Signs Dan Rather's Documents are Fake.

[ctdonath2]

The FOIA reference indicates it is recent.

The flawlessly centered heading would have been a pain (possible, but undesireable to do) with a typewriter - but trivial with a word processor.

The frequency of boldface indicates recent creation. 30 years ago on a typewriter, boldface was either double-struck (making it darker, or wider in one dimension, but not wider in both dimensions as is the case here) or done with a different type ball (a hassle to swap, and certainly not swapped as often as used in this short document). Underlining or capitalization would be used instead.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

This is a fixed-width font (except the superscripts).
So there is nothing interesting here.

[DB]

The superscript "th" that is above the top of the other characters means it wasn't done with a typewriter. A typewriter could make a smaller "th" but the tops of the characters would have the same alignment. Also, the "4" is closed. Typewriter 4's are usually open (so an expert stated in another article posted here).

How many typewriters have bold print??? Your posted document has bold print in selected locations.

[Warhead W-88]

Oh, yeah. Duh on me.

[OpusatFR]

I dug out my husband's orginal DD-214, and everything he kept in a special folder from his active duty during the same time period.

The type is totally different from what you show.

And he served a lot longer than Kerry. Four years, not four months.

[visualops]

FYI it's "kern".

[The Bandit]

Hey wait a minite guys, maybe this isn't such a cold lead after all. Look at the guy's other documents:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm

Might be something there that will provide a clue to the author of the fakes (MAYBE.)

[dread78645]

Fix pitch, Courier font.
IMO, most likely a 80's era word processor (Lanier, Wang, Selectric II+, or Exxon) due to the shifted spacing of the letters on lines that contain the ^th glyph. Also the operator didn't use (or know how to use) the tab function, but instead hand spaced the column.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Obviously this fellow coldfeet and his so-called FOIA document dump is a fraud.

[HannaUSA]

Looking at Kerry's recommendation for his bronze star, in the commentary part, there is a place where it says PFC-51 1st LT Jim Rassman.....there is no subscript at work in that document. If the Navy used such a typewriter as this, I would suspect the AF used the same thing.

[Smedley]

FYI, notice that the document says that it was released pursuant to the FOIA. This means that Bush had signed his SF180 before this document was even produced. Ergo, it is circa 2004, not circa 1972

[Smokin' Joe]

Yep. Bold on, bold off......

[TheGrimReaper]

[Grampa Dave]

Send this to Drudge, Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, News Max, Mark Levine and ABC Nightline.

A lot of this hate GW stuff has been created on the lunatic left's blog sites long before it hits the mainline news. The lying BS about GW/Rove exposing Valerie Plame had been blogging along for months before the NY Slimes made it front page.

[Grampa Dave]

For your ping lists and info to index.

[Grampa Dave]

FYI and any ping list that you may have

[Happy2BMe]

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 09, 2004 22:45:32 ET XXXXX

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questions whether the documents are real on tonight's NIGHTLINE, sources tell DRUDGE.

Transcript:

I WAS ANGRY, BECAUSE HERE THEY ARE GOING BACK AND PULLING RECORDS OF A MAN WHO IS DECEASED TWENTY YEARS, WHO IS NOT HERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT ANY OF THESE DOCUMENTS SAID OR SUPPOSED TO HAVE SAID, AND I JUST FOUND IT APPALLING. I WAS SICK THAT HERE WITHOUT WARNING HIS PICTURES ARE UP THERE, HIS NAME IS BEING BATTLED BACK AND FORTH AND I, LIVID I GUESS IS A BETTER WORD FOR IT."

"I THINK THERE WAS SO MUCH UNTRUTHS BEING SAID THAT THAT FRUSTRATED ME AND THAT I KNEW THAT IF JERRY WERE ALIVE TODAY THAT HE WOULD JUST, NUMBER ONE HE WOULD BE TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE TO KNOW THAT A DOCUMENT SUCH AS THIS WOULD BE USED AGAINST A FELLOW GUARDSMAN."

"THAT IS WHAT AGGRAVATED ME SO MUCH, WAS THAT HE CAN NOT BE HERE TO SAY AND YET THEY CAN DRAG HIS NAME ONTO TELEVISION, MAKING BAD ACCUSATIONS ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT AND A MAN THAT HE RESPECTED AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE THOUGHT THIS YOUNG MAN AS A SECOND LIEUTENANT OR FIRST LIEUTENANT WAS AN EXCELLENT AVIATOR, AN EXCELLENT PERSON TO BE IN THE GUARD AND WAS VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM BECOME A MEMBER OF THE 111TH F-I-S."

"NUMBER ONE, HE WOULD NOT HAVE TYPED BECAUSE HE DID NOT TYPE. NUMBER TWO, THE WORDING IN THESE DOCUMENTS IS VERY SUSPECT TO ME. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN PICKED UP OUT OF A DOCUMENT AND THEN OTHER THINGS JUST MADE FICTITIOUSLY TO FILL IN THINGS, TO MAKE THEM FLOW. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HIS WORDS, MY LATE HUSBAND'S WORDS."

"NOT A TYPIST, DEFINITELY NOT A TYPIST. WE HAD NO COMPUTERS AT HOME BUT HE WASN'T A TYPIST, AND WHAT IS REMARKABLE TO ME IS THAT HE WAS A PERSON WHO DID NOT TAKE OR MAKE COPIOUS NOTES. HE CARRIED EVERYTHING IN HIS MIND AND HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE NOTES."

"I AM STILL PRESENTLY LOOKING FOR OTHER DOCUMENTS. I HAVE FOUND SOME THAT SAY THE 147TH ON THEM AND THEY GO BACK TO 1970. I CAN NOT FIND ANY AT THIS MOMENT THAT HAVE ANY 1972 INDICATIONS ON THEM OTHER THAN A, AND I TOLD HER THAT, A FLIGHT SCHEDULE THAT HE HAD JUST SIGNED HIS NAME TO."

"UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE MOVED I PUT THINGS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT THIS MOMENT AND I WAS SEARCHING FOR THEM AND I STILL HAVE NOT FOUND ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS. I DO HAVE ALL OF HIS FLIGHT RECORDS THOUGH AND THEY ARE IN MY HANDS."

"HE DISCUSSED WITH ME HOW PROUD HE WAS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND PIN THE WINGS ON YOUNG GEORGE AND TO MEET THEN MR. BUSH, I'VE FORGOTTEN IF HE WAS WITH THE CIA OR WHAT OFFICE HE HELD AT THAT TIME AND BARBARA BUSH."

"HE LEFT THE 147TH, FLEW TO WHEREVER GEORGE GOT HIS WINGS AND JERRY PINNED THEM ON HIM AND HE WAS, CAME HOME JUST, HE TOLD ME ABOUT THAT AND HOW PROUD HE WAS TO HAVE MET THE FAMILY."

"HE WOULD JUST WRITE LITTLE NOTES ON THE BACK OF ANYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY AS THE CASE MAY BE, IF HE NEEDED TO JOT SOMETHING DOWN HE WOULD JOT IT ON ANY PAPER THAT HE COULD FIND, ON A CARD, LIKE A CALLING CARD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, OR JUST LITTLE BITS OF PAPER. HE ALWAYS KNEW WHERE EVERYTHING WAS, AND IF HE NEEDED TO PULL IT OUT OF HIS WALLET ON A LITTLE NOTE OR SOMETHING, BUT HE JUST DIDN'T TAKE MANY NOTES."

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Filed By Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com for updates
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 2004
Not for reproduction without permission of the author

[groanup]

Cold Feet sure does get around:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for posting this.

I hope that she and her son sue 60 Minutes, Blather, the producers, CBS and the sponsors for lying about her honorable and dead husband.

[KeyLargo]

DAN CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH

“Dan Rather is the undisputed head pooh-bah of the news division at CBS. Rather has spent 40 years solidifying his position. His former colleague Bernard Goldberg reports that Mr. Rather is extremely sensitive to criticism from any source. In his book "Bias," Mr. Goldberg quotes CBS News President Andrew Haywood: "Dan can't distinguish between mainstream criticism and criticism coming from the extremists. It's all the same to him." Goldberg writes that in the 1980s there was a vice president at CBS whose unofficial title was "vice president in charge of Dan Rather. "His main job was keeping Dan Rather happy." Little wonder, then, that CBS News refuses to acknowledge the liberal bias that is a staple of CBS News. No one can get through to Dan Rather. He is impervious to criticism.”
http://www.bbhq.com/lonely.htm


Dan Rather’s Liberal Bias

http://ratherbiased.com/news/content/view/145/

http://www.mediaresearch.org/projects/rather20th/welcome.asp

http://www.mediaresearch.org/specialreports/2004/report063004_p1.asp

[Mach9]

Wondering about tab-sets here. Why weren't they used in "Past Duty Assignments . . .?"

[Happy2BMe]

Oh, to be sure when this comes fully to the light of day the communist media will just do a poo-poo 'We just go some bad information.' and not another word will be said about it.

Rather will get another pay raise and the sheeples will all just wonder what happened.

(Dan Rather is still on my "Ride the elevator to the top with" list.)

Why didn't Saddam just keep him?

[js1138]

It's no problem doing this with an electronic typewriter or word processor.

[Grampa Dave]

All three of the Rat screaming/lying heads, (Blather, Jennings, Brokaw) on their phoney news shows are worthless old tools for the DNC.

If their boy Kerry loses big time, I doubt if any of these three liars will be around for the 2006 election. Also, the nightly news will probably be eliminated for some reality show.

[Happy2BMe]

Had to update my "number of days until election day to 54."

Dan Rather and the 3-Letter stations should all just make a public announcement they are now an extension of Al-Jazeera news.

Have you seen this, GrampaDave?

Church damaged by early morning explosion

[ohioconservative]

"How many typewriters have bold print??? Your posted document has bold print in selected locations."

"Now, listen, all of our typewriters not only have bold capabilities but also we access the internet from our typewriters. Sometimes we get a run time error asking us if we wish to debug but other than that everything is smooth."

[Hunble]

Well actually, bold print with a manual typewriter was rather easy to do. You simply type over the word a second time.

[Grampa Dave]

54 days before Kerry gets Mondaled inspite of his lies and those of ABCNNBC BS.

I saw the church bulletin.

Churches are potential fire hazards without terrorism. The parrish that we go to had a serious fire 30 years ago. Then we had a close call 5 years ago.

[Brett66]

The guy that runs the coldfeet website's first name is Martin:

Coldfeet website

His email is here:

coldfeet@cis.net

[Brett66]

What I think is that someone from the Kerry campaign might have fed these docs to CBS, but they have been out and about on the internet for awhile.

[Redbob]

"kern" it is then.

Merriam-Webster defines "kern" as a light foot-soldier of medieval Ireland or Scotland.

Is there some other definition?

[MeekOneGOP]

Compare this Democrat.com Doc with the CBS Fakes

Excerpt:

Would appear some democrat by the name of coldfeet has made very similar documents as those CBS used. Notice the use use of the superscript in the below sample document. A article on Bush AWOL on democrat.com that was written in 2000 links to it .....

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[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks, Grampa. I saved coldfeet's doc to my computer 'just in case'
they mysteriously disappear from the 'Net .....

[GOPJ]

It's time for real coverage of how the news is made. Here's some questions for CBS:
How large is Rather's staff? Does he take "research" from the DNC or their spin-off fronts?

If he's "fed" the "news" is there an inherent bias to keep his handlers in power?

Is there a conflict of interest when your "news" is from people out power? Is there incentive to slant news to get "your guys" back in?

Does Rather have a dog in this fight?

If the DNC is doing Rather's work for him, what are they getting in return? What's the cost? Does CBS pay with their reputation for Rather's "scoops"?

What is the coin of the realm for a one-sided "bribe" in the news field? Is it information?

[Pharlap]

FOIA only requires the release of actual documents, not the creation of one or more documents. To the extent that this document was "created" (note: the document says it is "releasable" under FOIA) it would not be a valid FOIA document because it would (I presume) have been a compilation of information in other records.

[lilylangtree]

Bogus dude! Anyone can see just by looking at the type. Hehehe! Hope heads from CBS roll with this one starting with Pan Blather.

[visualops]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oi=defmore&q=define:Kern

[MeekOneGOP]

bump!

[tillacum]

When did Commanding Officers begin using Post Office Box Numbers? When I was in, we just had the Sq No & Hq, the Base and the City & State.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Nail him....'

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!