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Compare this Democrat.com Doc with the CBS Fakes
9/10/04 | The Bandit

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:24:24 AM PDT by The Bandit

Would appear some democrat by the name of coldfeet has made very similar documents as those CBS used. Notice the use use of the superscript in the below sample document. A article on Bush AWOL on democrat.com that was written in 2000 links to it (a href=http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=157>Click Here.)

Let me paste a background quote from the page here:

As Marty Heldt points out in TomPaine.com, a document entitled "Military Biography of George Walker Bush" shows that Bush was subsequently assigned to headquarters in Denver from October 2, 1973 to November 21, 1974. He concludes that Bush was "punished" with 6 months of additional inactive duty beyond his original scheduled termination on May 26, 1974.

Perhaps some freepers can give this a close examination to see if they are the same fonts (I would but I am brain dead at this hour.)



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KEYWORDS: bush; cbs; documentforgerygate; documents; faked; jerry; killian; memo; nationalguard; records
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 3:24:25 AM PDT by The Bandit
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To: The Bandit

hey bandit,

when was this document supposedly created??


2 posted on 09/10/2004 3:27:27 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Must been 2000 since the document that links to it is from 2000. How can I fix that link now that it is posted?


3 posted on 09/10/2004 3:29:46 AM PDT by The Bandit
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To: The Bandit

Irrelevant. It has already been proven the bogus documents correspond to all word spacing, wrapping, and font rules used by Microsoft Word.

As a close inspection note, yes, it looks similar. However, examine it in relation to "o" and "t" (ot) letter combinations, it does not sandwich (kearn?) the letters into empty spaces like the word processed documents were.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 3:30:48 AM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Crazieman
As an additional note, the mere fact of text "kearning" makes the documents absolute provable fakes. That is something a typewriter will NEVER EVER duplicate.
5 posted on 09/10/2004 3:32:03 AM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Crazieman

This document is NOT from 1972. It is a summary of GWB's war record typed much later.


6 posted on 09/10/2004 3:32:48 AM PDT by Smedley
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To: The Bandit

No one said superscripts did not exist at all back then - they said they weren't available on common typewriters typically found in a local Guard base. A doc like this would have been more likely generated by the Air Force.


7 posted on 09/10/2004 3:33:35 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: Smedley

Yes, I know. Its a retype by an insane liberal desperately trying to cling to a fantasy world.

I'm explaining why the documents are absolute fakes and could never ever be replicated by common typewriter.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 3:34:29 AM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Smedley
I hope you're right, because it does contain superscripted "th's," which is one of the most rock-solid pieces of evidence that the documents are fake. What is your evidence that this is a Y2000 summary? But there is a lot more evidence those docs are fake. Including these Top Ten Other Signs Dan Rather's Documents are Fake.
9 posted on 09/10/2004 3:35:22 AM PDT by Warhead W-88
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To: The Bandit

The FOIA reference indicates it is recent.

The flawlessly centered heading would have been a pain (possible, but undesireable to do) with a typewriter - but trivial with a word processor.

The frequency of boldface indicates recent creation. 30 years ago on a typewriter, boldface was either double-struck (making it darker, or wider in one dimension, but not wider in both dimensions as is the case here) or done with a different type ball (a hassle to swap, and certainly not swapped as often as used in this short document). Underlining or capitalization would be used instead.


10 posted on 09/10/2004 3:35:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: The Bandit

This is a fixed-width font (except the superscripts).
So there is nothing interesting here.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 3:39:33 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: The Bandit
The superscript "th" that is above the top of the other characters means it wasn't done with a typewriter. A typewriter could make a smaller "th" but the tops of the characters would have the same alignment. Also, the "4" is closed. Typewriter 4's are usually open (so an expert stated in another article posted here).

How many typewriters have bold print??? Your posted document has bold print in selected locations.

12 posted on 09/10/2004 3:40:19 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Warhead W-88

Oh, yeah. Duh on me.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 3:40:24 AM PDT by Warhead W-88
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To: The Bandit

I dug out my husband's orginal DD-214, and everything he kept in a special folder from his active duty during the same time period.

The type is totally different from what you show.

And he served a lot longer than Kerry. Four years, not four months.


14 posted on 09/10/2004 3:44:33 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Let me repeat this: the web means never having to swallow leftist garbage again. Got it?)
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To: Crazieman

FYI it's "kern".


15 posted on 09/10/2004 3:44:59 AM PDT by visualops (I started out with nothing, and sKerry's gonna tax that too.)
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To: OpusatFR

Hey wait a minite guys, maybe this isn't such a cold lead after all. Look at the guy's other documents:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm

Might be something there that will provide a clue to the author of the fakes (MAYBE.)


16 posted on 09/10/2004 3:47:08 AM PDT by The Bandit
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To: The Bandit
Fix pitch, Courier font.
IMO, most likely a 80's era word processor (Lanier, Wang, Selectric II+, or Exxon) due to the shifted spacing of the letters on lines that contain the th glyph. Also the operator didn't use (or know how to use) the tab function, but instead hand spaced the column.
17 posted on 09/10/2004 3:49:01 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: The Bandit

Obviously this fellow coldfeet and his so-called FOIA document dump is a fraud.


18 posted on 09/10/2004 3:54:42 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: The Bandit

Looking at Kerry's recommendation for his bronze star, in the commentary part, there is a place where it says PFC-51 1st LT Jim Rassman.....there is no subscript at work in that document. If the Navy used such a typewriter as this, I would suspect the AF used the same thing.


19 posted on 09/10/2004 4:03:20 AM PDT by HannaUSA
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To: Crazieman

FYI, notice that the document says that it was released pursuant to the FOIA. This means that Bush had signed his SF180 before this document was even produced. Ergo, it is circa 2004, not circa 1972


20 posted on 09/10/2004 4:19:34 AM PDT by Smedley
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