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Dems urge Coburn to apologize
The Daily Oklahoman ^ | September 9, 2004 | The Associated Press

Posted on 09/10/2004 9:08:14 AM PDT by cashion

Oklahoma Democrats called on Republican Tom Coburn Thursday to apologize for remarks he made during a town hall meeting in Altus last month.

Democratic Party Chairman Jay Parmley said Coburn should be held accountable for saying economic development in Oklahoma was stymied by "a bunch of crapheads in Oklahoma City that have killed the vision of anybody wanting to invest in Oklahoma."

Coburn campaign spokesman Aaron Cooper said the Muskogee doctor and former congressman was referring to the state Legislature's attempts to address lawsuit abuse and worker compensation reform.

Coburn made the remarks at an Aug. 21 town hall meeting in Altus after a constituent asked Coburn what he would do to help bring development to southwestern Oklahoma.

Coburn and Democratic Rep. Brad Carson are campaigning for the U.S. Senate seat of Republican Sen. Don Nickles, who is retiring after 24 years in office.

Coburn's statement, as well as an anecdote of a conversation he had with House colleague Dick Armey where Coburn used an expletive to describe what kind of person it takes to be a senator, was tape-recorded by a Democratic supporter who attended Coburn's meeting, Parmley said.

"Basically Tom Coburn showed what kind of campaign he's going to run," Parmley said at a news conference Thursday. "These comments are divisive and somewhat bizarre."

Coburn was busy with campaign calls and meetings Thursday and was unable to comment on the issue, said Cooper, who called the Democrats' criticism nothing more than election season rhetoric.

"Every poll is showing that Brad Carson is losing the race. I guess it's not a surprise that the Democratic party is making an issue of a single word that Dr. Coburn used in a town meeting 19 days ago," Cooper said.

"Rest assured, Dr. Coburn will keep talking about the issues that matter to Oklahomans, and he'll do it in the honest and candid manner for which he's known for."

A poll commissioned by The Oklahoman in late August showed Coburn leading the race by a thin margin.

In the months leading up to the Nov. 2 election, Coburn hasn't been shy in criticizing his opponents or opposing viewpoints.

In debate earlier this month, Coburn characterized his race with Carson as a battle of good versus evil.

In a July interview with The Associated Press, Coburn said he favored the death penalty for "abortionist and other people who take life."

Parmley likened Coburn's glib manner to that of former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating.

"This is not silly," Parmley said. "We spent eight years with a Republican governor who talked bad about Oklahoma teachers and went around bad mouthing the state. We don't need this same behavior in the Senate. He needs to apologize."

Keating, known for his shoot-from-the-hip style, once remarked that "homicide," was the best way to deal with the state's teachers' union and called voters in Tulsa "very dumb," after his wife Cathy Keating finished second in the Republican primary for the First Congressional District.


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Comments tape recorded by a Democratic supporter who attended an Aug. 19 town hall meeting hosted by the Coburn campaign in Altus. The event included a speech followed a question and answer period. About 40 to 50 people attended the event. The quotes were provided by the Oklahoma Democratic Party.

MALE CONSTITUENT: So along those lines, when southwest Oklahoma comes to Tom Coburn in Washington, D.C. and says "Here's the science. Here's the plan. We want a new development in southwest Oklahoma, which will promote overall economic growth in agriculture, military, business, the whole deal." Is that going to be looked at as pork by you, or is ...that going to be looked at as...

COBURN: You're saying a federal program for southeast Oklahoma?

MALE CONSTITUENT: Southwest, yes.

COBURN: Southwest Oklahoma?

MALE CONSTITUENT: We don't care about the easterners. (Laughter.)

COBURN: You don't care about the northwest either? Look, economic development in southwest Oklahoma is a federal role. Do you really believe that?

MALE CONSTITUENT: To some extent, yes sir.

COBURN: Why?

MALE CONSTITUENT: Uh, because the development that we need is above our means.

COBURN: No it's not. It's because you have a bunch of crapheads in Oklahoma City that have killed the vision of anybody wanting to invest in Oklahoma. Let's talk real frank here. You have a tort system in this state that only two other states have a worse system. The state Senate is controlled by the trial bar. There is no vision in this state that says we welcome with open hands, investment in our state and we're going to make it friendly, we're going to make it successful and were going to make an environment where you can be extremely competitive. We have a worker's comp system that says, "Please don't come to Oklahoma cause we're going to screw you." And then we have a tax system that nobody wants to stay here for. Half the people who retire in Oklahoma, leave Oklahoma because we tax their retirement and we tax their estate. Oklahoma, if we have a problem, it's because we have a problem in Oklahoma City with the vision that has run off major six major oil companies in this state and 400,000 jobs.

On what it takes to be a candidate for U.S. Senate:

COBURN: I'll tell you, you all know who Dick Armey was? Dick was a good friend of mine, and Dick did a couple of things that weren't very good, and I put it in my book. But I had meetings, you know, people that talked to him about running for Senate in Texas, and when he found out I was running we talked on the phone. He said, "'You know, my people told me that you had be an a--hole to be in the Senate.'" And he said "'I think you qualify.'" (Audience laughter.) And you know what, it's true. I'm just enough of a butt that I'm going to do what I say and I'll make them pay a price.

1 posted on 09/10/2004 9:08:15 AM PDT by cashion
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To: cashion

Crapheads, quite accurate.

Let's get to work drafting Tommie Franks for Governor.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 9:10:58 AM PDT by IamJustright
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To: cashion

Coburn 2008!


3 posted on 09/10/2004 9:11:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: cashion
Hey, us IDIOTS don't think it's so bad. But then what do we know. We're Idiots"
4 posted on 09/10/2004 9:11:55 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: cashion

Coburn should ask the rats to apologize for being part of an organized criminal enterprise!


5 posted on 09/10/2004 9:12:03 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: cashion

Is it a 'bunch of crapheads' or 'gaggle of crapheads'?


6 posted on 09/10/2004 9:12:41 AM PDT by pikachu (The REAL script)
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To: cashion
Until CBS, the Democrat Party, and others involved make a formal, written apology, also broadcast on CBS 60 Minutes,

SCREW THE DEMOCRATS !!!

7 posted on 09/10/2004 9:12:54 AM PDT by PetroniDE (A.N.S.W.E.R and IndyMedia -- AMERICA'S FIFTH COLUMN !!!)
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Apologize for what? Apologize for Jay Parmley being such a doofus that he can't recognize a straight-shooter's comments for what they are? Oklahoma plans on sending up a senator to ring the bell of a vast number of pompous windbags. We want something done, and Coburn is the man to do it.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 9:12:55 AM PDT by cashion
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To: cashion

Apologize for what? He should stand tall and laugh it it off. Not apologize but admit he was rather blunt and leave it at that.


9 posted on 09/10/2004 9:13:05 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: cashion

"WWaaaahhhhhh..............don't tell the truth around us....we'll melt!!!"


10 posted on 09/10/2004 9:13:48 AM PDT by Angry Enough
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To: cashion

democrats always demand apologies when republicans tell the truth that hurts democrats.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 9:14:08 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: cashion

I'd vote for this guy.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 9:15:39 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (A gun owner voting for John Kerry is like a chicken voting for Col. Saunders. (bye bye .30-30))
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To: cashion

Crapheads is a better word then I would use to describe that worthless legislature we have under the leadership of the Cal Hobson in the Senate who is a bad joke. Bunch of worthless, do nothing Democrats beholding to Trial Lawyers if you ask me.

Carroll Fisher, the Democrat Insurance Commissioner, has been impeached by the House and now will go on trial in the Senate and he won't resign and it took our mealy mouthed Governor until just recently to say he should resign. The man is corrupt but he fits in well with the Democrats in this State.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 9:17:15 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: cashion

The Dems seem to think they should be given Congressional Medals of Honor for whining.

Don't the dems realize that when they cry when hit hard they only look weak? Granted, the weak are their base, but you'd think they'd want to expand.


14 posted on 09/10/2004 9:17:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: cashion

Apologize? WTF???

'Crapheads' was too mild an expletive; that's the only problem I see.


15 posted on 09/10/2004 9:18:31 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: pikachu
re: Is it a 'bunch of crapheads' or 'gaggle of crapheads'?)))

A "steaming pile" of crapheads.

16 posted on 09/10/2004 9:20:36 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: pikachu
Is it a 'bunch of crapheads' or 'gaggle of crapheads'?

Actually it's a 'sewer of s**theads'...

17 posted on 09/10/2004 9:21:06 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: cashion
In the spirit of bipartisanship, I hereby offer my somewhat-limited editing abilities:

"a bunch of crapheads socialistic doombringers in Oklahoma City that have killed the vision of anybody wanting to invest in Oklahoma."
18 posted on 09/10/2004 9:21:46 AM PDT by kenth
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To: pikachu
Is it a 'bunch of crapheads' or 'gaggle of crapheads'?

It's a pride of crapheads. Because they're lyin' crapheads.

19 posted on 09/10/2004 9:22:00 AM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm FredZarguna, Founder and President of Fathers United to Counter Kerry.)
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To: headsonpikes
'Crapheads' was too mild an expletive; that's the only problem I see.

Agreed.

20 posted on 09/10/2004 9:22:06 AM PDT by cashion
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To: cashion

Don't apologize, Tom.

The liberals want all Americans on the PC plantation.

Don't go.


21 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:02 AM PDT by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American or you are a Liberal.)
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To: PhiKapMom; 2witty; A Jovial Cad; AmerRepb; amigatec; Amityschild; Angry_White_Man_Syndrome; ...
This oughta be a fun thread!

I love Oklahoma...I really do!

Oklahoma Ping!

If you want on
or off this list
Freepmail me.

22 posted on 09/10/2004 9:24:56 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: cashion

He must be talking about Turpin.


23 posted on 09/10/2004 9:28:54 AM PDT by lazysob
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To: cashion
Parmley likened Coburn's glib manner to that of former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating.

Yeah, that one's really gonna hurt.

Next Parmley's gonna compare Coburn to Jesus chasing the money-changers from the temple.

24 posted on 09/10/2004 9:30:32 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: 2Jedismom
I see no reason for Coburn to apologize whatsoever. Our state legislature whether anybody likes it being said or not is a bump of crapheads who don't give a blankety blank about the best interest of Oklahoma. All they care about is the manintainence of their own political power..

Our state has had a dysfunctional relationship between the legislature and it's taxpayers and the only people who have benefited from this are the ambulance chasers and special interests favoring the Democrats.

It's time to put an end to the corruption culture come this November. We need to change the leadership in the legislature.

Simply put, it's time to throw the bums out.
BTTT!!!!!!!!

25 posted on 09/10/2004 9:30:50 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: flashbunny
"democrats always demand apologies when republicans tell the truth that hurts democrats."

Just more of the double standards they take for granted. They should be allowed to say and do anything, yet still think they are the guardians of the moral high ground for those who actually have standards.

26 posted on 09/10/2004 9:35:30 AM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: JohnnyZ

Jay Parmley = Mr. Haney on "Green Acres".


27 posted on 09/10/2004 9:39:38 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: pikachu
A group of lions is a ''pride''.

A group of politicians is a shame.

With or without quotes.

28 posted on 09/10/2004 9:49:45 AM PDT by SAJ (Ivan won't hit NorthCentral FLA...strongly suggest writing OJX calls, 100-strike, now & on rallies.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'd vote for this guy.

that's my plan

29 posted on 09/10/2004 9:53:40 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville
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To: 2Jedismom
Dr. Coburn has nothing to apologize for . . . unless "craphead" is a euphemism. Then he should say he should've said "craphead" rather than using profanity. That's all.

The essence of what he said is 100% on point, and there's nothing to apologize for about that.

30 posted on 09/10/2004 10:49:20 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace; YankeeinOkieville; WestTexasWend; E.G.C.; JohnnyZ; lazysob; 2Jedismom; TFMcGuire; ...
Dr. Coburn came and spoke to us on September 1st.

Here are the pics!!!!

31 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:18 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55

BTTT!!!!!!


32 posted on 09/10/2004 12:03:12 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: cashion

Coburn offered the following appology this morning:

"I'm sorry that economic development in Oklahoma was stymied by a bunch of crapheads in Oklahoma City that have killed the vision of anybody wanting to invest in Oklahoma."

[;^)


33 posted on 09/10/2004 12:04:25 PM PDT by G Larry (Support John Thune!)
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To: cashion

What? I'm supposed to be so offended that the candidate used the word "crapheads" that I vote for BRAD CARSON? Brad's platform and agenda is far more offensive than any curse word. I for one am glad to see Coburn has his own opinions and stands by them.


34 posted on 09/10/2004 12:05:01 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Spitballs: The official weapon of the DemocRATic party.)
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To: E.G.C.
bump!!!!


35 posted on 09/10/2004 12:09:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55

BTTT!!!!


36 posted on 09/10/2004 12:15:28 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
What? I'm supposed to be so offended that the candidate used the word "crapheads" that I vote for BRAD CARSON? Brad's platform and agenda is far more offensive than any curse word. I for one am glad to see Coburn has his own opinions and stands by them.

It's quite telling if you watch Carson's ads how the Democratic party is currently playing in Oklahoma. From the ones I've seen, Carson has yet to declare himself part of the Democratic Party. Maybe he thinks he can fool the metro-area folks that don't know anything about him (as he is relatively unknown anywhere but the 2nd Congressional district)? I anxiously await the debates.

37 posted on 09/10/2004 12:31:20 PM PDT by cashion
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To: cashion

Ha!


38 posted on 09/10/2004 12:34:31 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: cashion

Imagine the uproar if he had called them a bunch of "Poopy Pants"!


39 posted on 09/10/2004 2:22:14 PM PDT by sawoody
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To: IamJustright

Franks for Governor in 2006, President in 2008? 2012? 2016?

General Franks certainly has the leadership experience. I'm sure he'd learn the ropes of domestic policy quickly. Low taxes, ... oh, yeah, and he's NOT AN ATTORNEY. What an advantage.


40 posted on 09/10/2004 3:14:19 PM PDT by dufekin (President Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969, when Kerry first committed treason.)
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To: 2Jedismom
I love Oklahoma...I really do!

      I do to.  But I do remember several years ago, when a gaggle of (Dem) county commisioners were sent to the federal pokey for corruption, that other good ol' boys gave them going away parties before they had to report for their terms.
      Dr. Tom should apologize for speaking the truth?  I don't think so.
41 posted on 09/11/2004 8:36:05 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: cashion

I'd vote for this guy based on that recording.


42 posted on 09/12/2004 8:19:57 AM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: tiki

BTTT!!!!


43 posted on 09/12/2004 11:32:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55
As promised....pictures of the meeting with Dr. Coburn.
44 posted on 09/12/2004 6:23:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Coburn wins Okla Senate primary.
45 posted on 09/12/2004 6:27:15 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Coburn promises to shake up the Senate.
46 posted on 09/12/2004 6:27:46 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Coburn builds solid lead in Oklahoma.
47 posted on 09/12/2004 6:28:26 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55

make up some campaign buttons.."CRAPHEADS FOR CARSON"...


48 posted on 09/12/2004 6:29:07 PM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: cashion

Republicans are ahead of the game all around this election year. They shouldn't do anymore apologizing. We GOP's should make the Dems apologize every time they say a word we don't like. We should get all offended. We should make McAwful pay for the lies that he spreads. I'm sick and tired of Gop's always being the ones to apologize. turn the tables on the mofo's.


49 posted on 09/12/2004 6:30:48 PM PDT by uncitizen (Beware of fertilizer salesmen and their lawyers. They'll both try to sell you a load of crap.)
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To: ken5050

Thats a great idea!


50 posted on 09/12/2004 6:31:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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