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RATHER DIGS IN: THE DOCUMENTS ARE AUTHENTIC
Drudgereport ^ | 9/10/04 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 09/10/2004 10:11:53 AM PDT by Pfesser

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI SEPT 10, 2004 12:01:25 ET XXXXX

RATHER DIGS IN: THE DOCUMENTS ARE AUTHENTIC

CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather publicly defended his reporting Friday morning after questions were raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos aired on CBS which asserted that George W. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer in the Texas Air National Guard.

CNN TRANSCRIPT:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAN RATHER, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no -- what you're saying apology?

QUESTION: Apology or any kind of retraction or...

RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CBS NEWS executives on Thursday launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. "The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

Developing...


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KEYWORDS: bushmemos; cbs; killian; rather; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 10:11:53 AM PDT by Pfesser
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To: Pfesser

Keep digging that grave, Blather.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 10:13:34 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Pfesser

Apparently CBS has concluded that if they don't contend the documents are real, then they would have to give up the source.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 10:13:38 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Pfesser

I guess ol' Danny Boy likes the taste of shoe leather! TASTY!


4 posted on 09/10/2004 10:13:58 AM PDT by canalabamian (Common sense, unfortunately, is not very common)
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To: Pfesser

Should be, Rather digs grave.


5 posted on 09/10/2004 10:14:01 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Pfesser

Look for the ON Air correction Between Midnight Saturday, and 4 Am Sunday. Probably the latter.


6 posted on 09/10/2004 10:14:15 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Pfesser

Drudge headline looks cool with superscript "th". check it out. :o)


7 posted on 09/10/2004 10:14:34 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Pfesser

Someone please give Dan the number to the NY State Department of Labor, Unemployment Services. He is going to need it very soon.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 10:14:43 AM PDT by frog_jerk_2004
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To: Pfesser

Prove it, Dan. Where are the originals? Who gave them to you? What did you do to confirm their authenticity?


9 posted on 09/10/2004 10:14:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Pfesser

One wonders how Rather can be so sure... unless of course he's lost his objectivity. hahahahhahaha


10 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:01 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Pfesser

Rush said that McAwful is saying this whole thing is Rove set-up, basically admitting the docs are fake, even as Rather vouches for the authenticity. The Dem/Media Apparatus is in panic mode. Anybody got a source for the McAwful quote.


11 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:05 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Pfesser

What's the provenance, Kenneth?


12 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:07 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Pfesser

Did anyone see the press release? CBS is saying that the report was based on "a preponderance of evidence"! YIKES!!! Since when is factual reporting supposed to be a PREPONDERANCE of EVIDENCE!


13 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:16 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Pfesser

14 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:25 AM PDT by The G Man (I'm mad as ZELL and I'm not gonna take it anymore!)
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To: Pfesser
"I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been. There isn't going to be -- there's no -- what you're saying apology?"


15 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:26 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Guys like John Kerry spit on guys like me. I've been waiting 33 years to spit back.")
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To: the_Watchman
No I don't think CBS has concluded this ... I think Rather has.

I would give CBS executives anywhere from 24 to 72 hours before they issue the retraction. If they don't they will lose a huge share of their remaining TV News audience (as small as it is ...)

17 posted on 09/10/2004 10:15:37 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Always Right

So, what happens now?


18 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:00 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Always Right

19 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:06 AM PDT by dinasour
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Who has the originals?

I could be wrong but I suspect that the age of the paper could easily be determined. Having worked in Printing shops, I know that most (or all) paper stock becomes much more brittle after just one year on the shelf.


20 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:19 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs ("Making Al Gore regret inventing the internet, one post at a time")
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To: Pfesser

Rather is certifiable. (Not that that's news.)

Hopefully this will finally bring about his end.


21 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:23 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Pfesser
that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story,

But Dan, if the documents are forgeries, then there are no questions to be answered, other than WHO PROVIDED THE FORGED DOCUMENTS!

22 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:53 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: BunnySlippers

What preponderance?! They consulted one alleged and nameless doc expert, and called some guy who knew Killian and read the memos over the phone to him. Oh, real investigative journalism there all right. NOT.


23 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:07 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: rhombus

I heard the interview on Rush and Rather sounded like a Dem flack--"Bush needs to answer these questions.." and so forth. He has been totally exposed.


24 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:09 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Pfesser

I believe CBS and Rather released the fake documents KNOWING they were probably fake, just to take the spotlight away from the POW Vietnam Vets, who released their documentary DVD this week showing Kerry's 1971 speech before the US Senate really did harm POWS in Vietnam.

That's the way things work.


25 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:29 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: Pfesser
Dan Blather speaks with forked tongue.
26 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

27 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:09 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Pfesser

This will be the official spin from CBS

"We don't know whether the documents are forged or not. We are still investigating. But we were wrong to release them without verifying completely and we are sorry for that".

This way, they don't accept responsibility and they can just hope for another story like a hurricane to divert our attention.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: The G Man
Rush also mentioned the relationship between Dan Rather's daughter Robin and Ben Barnes (interviewed by Rather on 60 Minutes) and their Demoncrat fundraising activities in Austin, Texas.


Robin Rather


Ben Barnes

Was Robin Rather and/or Ben Barnes the source of the forged documents?
29 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:27 AM PDT by jimbo123
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His opinion over Bush is letting him overlook anything else, what tunnel vision. They're FAKE DOCUMENTS Rather!


30 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:35 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: the_Watchman

Too late.

The source may have already been exposed as of 12:06 AM Eastern time...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211690/posts


31 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:44 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Pfesser

"I know that this story is true. I believe that the witnesses and the documents are authentic."


"know" != "believe".


God, Dan Rather is an idiot!


32 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:52 AM PDT by Blzbba (John F'in Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: Pfesser; Poohbah; Howlin; Buckhead; lowbridge
Bwah hahahahahaha

Go check out drudge and look at the Headline on the Rather story. heheheheh Oh gawd, this is the most fun I've had since I ran naked with the hogs through church services.

33 posted on 09/10/2004 10:18:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Pfesser
Produce the originals, Mr. Rather.

Produce your "experts" Mr. Rather.

Or would you rather not?

34 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Pfesser

Hey, Kenneth! Fish that swallow the hook usually die having it extracted.


35 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:15 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Pfesser

36 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:21 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: BunnySlippers

Expect CBS to adopt the Tawanna Brawley defense, "what matters is that it could have happened."


37 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Pfesser
"...and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story,..."

Um... I thought the main questions being raised went to the authenticity of the documents. And if they're not authentic, then the "questions raised in the story" are meaningless.
38 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:30 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi)
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To: Pfesser
...more important questions than how we got the story...

What could be more important than the integrity of your research Dan?

The "how" is the story, moron...

39 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:31 AM PDT by Damocles (sword of...)
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To: Pfesser
That means they came from McAuliffe. Faced with a choice of sticking the Democratic Party with a new Watergate or trying to brazen it out, CBS is choosing the slightly more palatable short-run option.

In the long-run, it will demote the network to be on a par the WB and Paramount.

40 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:33 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Pfesser

If Rather Mea Culpa'd he's probably keep his job. Digging in will only make the fall worse.


41 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: Pfesser; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...
RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story like to put the emphasis, the more important question is what are the answers to the questions raised in the story, which I just gave you earlier.

As Hannity would say...."It's not the facts of the case, it's about the seriousness of the charge."

42 posted on 09/10/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: mewzilla
What preponderance?! They consulted one alleged and nameless doc expert,

I really want to know who that so-called nameless doc expert is especially since they won't give one. I have never heard of this being done - not giving out or even interviewing the expert .... and I am a guy who has worked with producers in creating these types of news documentary shows.

43 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:02 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: BunnySlippers

Even if they don't want to reveal their source or who the "expert" was that said these docs were authentic, can't they come up with even one single person, one single "expert" to say these docs "could" be authentic, other than thier initial expert? It just seems there should be someone, somewhere, that could say this, if it was true. And I don't see anyone, anywhere with any credibility, coming forward to say that.

"Just saying it, doesn't make it so". Isn't that the line Kerry likes to use when talking about Bush?


44 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:19 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Pfesser

"Somebody set up us the forgery!!!"

45 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Even if they don't want to reveal their source or who the "expert" was that said these docs were authentic, can't they come up with even one single person, one single "expert" to say these docs "could" be authentic, other than their initial expert? It just seems there should be someone, somewhere, that could say this, if it was true. And I don't see anyone, anywhere with any credibility, coming forward to say that.

"Just saying it, doesn't make it so". Isn't that the line Kerry likes to use when talking about Bush?
46 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:39 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Callahan
Rush said that McAwful is saying this whole thing is Rove set-up

Haven't found the quote but this scenario/response was considered on yesterday's Hugh Hewitt program.

47 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:41 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Pfesser

Folks, we have all heard media questioning the authenticity of the documents. However, in all the stories I have heard, it has simply been one more chance to repeat the charges in the documents.

This story is not flying until the forgery IS the story.

Please locate links to relevant articles which detail the forgery in length and forward the links to ALL your friends. We still have to put legs on this thing!


48 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:55 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Callahan

It was not Rove...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211690/posts

Anatomy of a Forgery


By The Prowler




Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM






More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."...




49 posted on 09/10/2004 10:21:12 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Always Right

Danny Boy

Ah Danny boy, the pipes,
the pipes are calling
From glen to glen,
and down the mountain side

The summer's gone,
and all the flowers are falling
'Tis you, 'tis you
must go and...
don't let the door hit you in the @ss


50 posted on 09/10/2004 10:21:16 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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