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A little help Freepers. FNC- Bush Volunteered for Vietnam

Posted on 09/10/2004 11:52:21 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud

I was watching Linda Vester's show on FNC today. The issue of the fake memos was reported on. They cut to James Rosen at the White House. He reported on what we all now know. That it looks that the 60 Min. Memos are fake. He mentioned Killian's family saying that they think it is a farse.

Then he did something that still makes me wonder if I am hearing things.

Rosen reported that one of the people who is contesting the documents (I did not catch the name. It may have been a document) as saying that Bush volunteered for the Palace Alert program that sent Guard pilots to Vietnam. Rosen explained what Palace Alert was. He reported that Bush tried to get into the program twice.

I know that we have already talked about this on FR, but I was shocked to hear it mentioned on Fox News Channel.

I am just trying to make sure I did not imagine it. It was in Rosen's first report during Vester's show.

Did anybody else see this?


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1 posted on 09/10/2004 11:52:21 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

I saw it. It seems that Bush applied twice but was turned down due to lack of flight time.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 11:54:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: ArmyBratproud
He apparently did try and get into the program, but it was before he was completely qualified. He didn't have enough hours yet.

By the time he did have enough hours, his jet, the F-102, had been pulled out of VN service.

3 posted on 09/10/2004 11:54:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: ArmyBratproud

I heard Killian's son on Tony Snow (radio show) say that Bush had volunteered for Vietnam but did not have the requisite number of flying hours. Tried to get that waived -- asked several times.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 11:56:16 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: ArmyBratproud
Yes Bush tried to go to Nam but Palace Alert required 500 pilot hours and Bush had 300 !

The crash/death rate for this jet was very, very high and they only wanted experienced pilots going to Nam.

5 posted on 09/10/2004 11:56:22 AM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: ArmyBratproud

why are you shocked?


6 posted on 09/10/2004 11:57:39 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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To: ArmyBratproud

Do a search here in Free Republic under Bush Vietnam.
There are several threads on it, and we just bumped one about a month ago.


7 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:01 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: ArmyBratproud

The son called into the Tony Snow radio program this morning. Also stated that he had talked briefly to CBS a couple weeks ago. They just asked him a few questions, he told them he didn't know a whole lot. He gave them names of some other military they could talk to. CBS responed that they had talked to one, but he was a Bush supporter so he wasn't credible.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:03 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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To: ArmyBratproud

I saw that, too. It was Killian's son who told Rosen.


9 posted on 09/10/2004 12:00:39 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (John Kerry won't be happy until he's made us all as miserable as he is.)
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Comment #10 Removed by Moderator

Bump to find later


11 posted on 09/10/2004 12:03:04 PM PDT by listenhillary (We are defending the peace by taking the fight to the enemy.GWB)
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To: ArmyBratproud

JAMES ROSEN [FOX NEWS]: Today Fox News has spoken with Jerry Killian's son Jerry, who sent us a picture of his father. Gary says the papers did not come from the Killian family, and they strike him as dubious. Three of these memos are written to the file, and one of them is captioned CYA, which for Gary Killian was the tipoff that these papers were not his Dad's work product.
GARY KILLIAN [PHONE]: I can tell you that he did not type memos to himsef. There's a lot of reasons why he wouldn't do that. One is that it was too much effort, another is that it was just not a very good practice. It's very dangerous to keep memos like that; nothing really good could from it, I don't know. And I'm not sure even whether those reflected his true feelings about Lt Bush.
ROSEN: Indeed, Killian says his father told him, back in 1980 or 1981 when they sat in an Officers' Club in San Antonio, that Lt Bush twice volunteered for a program called "Palace Alert", under which Texas Air National Guard pilots could volunteer to serve one year on active duty, flying their planes in VietNam. And that twice, Lt Bush was turned down in those requests because he did not have enough flight hours in the air.
ROSEN:The CYA memo especially raised son Gary Killian's suspicions about the documents attributed to his father. And in that interview Gary Killian said it would imply that there was severe pressure being put on him to forge or alter a rating on a particular officer. Gary Killian said I have a problem with that to begin with, but moreover, it would imply that he was willing to do that, and it would also imply that he was putting a letter to a secret file to cover himself in case anything ever happened. And Gary Killian concluded, I think all three of those premises are false.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 12:07:12 PM PDT by johnny dollar (yours truly, johnny dollar - http://tinyurl.com/2b7xb)
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To: johnny dollar

that should read "Jerry Killian's son GARY".


13 posted on 09/10/2004 12:08:05 PM PDT by johnny dollar (yours truly, johnny dollar - http://tinyurl.com/2b7xb)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Fred Bradley, a fellow pilot who had about the same experience as the then 1st Lt. Bush, confirms that he and 1st Lt Bush and two other more experienced pilots volunteered for Palace Alert but he and 1st Lt Bush were rejected because of their inexperience. They other two pilots were selected.

http://www.nationalreview.com/babbin/babbin200402190855.asp


14 posted on 09/10/2004 12:08:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: KeyLargo

Thanks for the reprint- I had been looking for that letter.


15 posted on 09/10/2004 12:13:03 PM PDT by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: cripplecreek

Also, at that time, the US military involvement in VN was winding down, and Guard units in general weren't being utilized as they had been earlier in the war. In addition, F-102s (Bush's aircraft) squadron's weren't being deployed to VN, but were being assigned to homeland air defense (for what they were originally designed for).


16 posted on 09/10/2004 12:15:43 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: KeyLargo

Thank you for reposting the Colonel's letter.

People who don't want the truth saturating America hate things like that, and people such as the author who have facts and write well, and comprehensively.

It's not like that letter hasn't been out there for the Old Media to peruse.


17 posted on 09/10/2004 12:19:56 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: KeyLargo

I understand that Kerry is going to speak to a national guard group tomorrow or sometime soon. What kind of reception do you all think he will get. Hopefully they will stand and turn around while he speaks. Any info


18 posted on 09/10/2004 12:29:02 PM PDT by queenkathy
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To: ArmyBratproud

Ex-pilot says Bush put in for Vietnam
Bush volunteered for combat, was rejected, ex-guardsman says

BY PETER BACQUE
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Feb 13, 2004


A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says Bush volunteered for Vietnam combat service but was turned down because he did not have the required flight experience.

William J. Campenni, a retired Air Guard colonel, also said absences such as Bush's from his unit were common in the Air Guard during the period of Bush's service and still are.

He and Bush were young lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron of the Texas Air Guard from 1970 to 1971, Campenni said, serving under the same flight and squadron commanders, both of whom are now dead.

Campenni, 63, lives in Herndon and has participated in Republican Party politics in Northern Virginia. He retired as an Air Force pilot in 1998, last flying with the 192nd Fighter Wing based at Richmond International Airport.


According to Campenni, Bush inquired about participating in a volunteer program called Palace Alert that used Air National Guard pilots flying in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor jet in Vietnam.

The Air Guard advised Bush he did not have the desired 500 hours of flight time as a pilot to qualify for Palace Alert duty, and, in any event, the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031773659263&path=!news&s=1045855934842


19 posted on 09/10/2004 12:33:06 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: KeyLargo
"Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off."Good slogan for us to adopt, for when the rats start in on the Guard.
20 posted on 09/10/2004 12:42:27 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: queenkathy

They should all stand with their backs to him and chant: "Knock it off!"


21 posted on 09/10/2004 12:43:52 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Ed_in_NJ

I personally can't believe he is going to speak to the National Guard. I beginning to believe that Carville and Begala really do want him to lose.


22 posted on 09/10/2004 12:45:45 PM PDT by queenkathy
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To: ArmyBratproud
Rosen reported that one of the people who is contesting the documents (I did not catch the name. It may have been a document) as saying that Bush volunteered for the Palace Alert program that sent Guard pilots to Vietnam.

If this is true and verifiable - and I have no reason to believe that it isn't - then why isn't every Freeper, Bush campaign spokesman, and Conservative talking head SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS:

BUSH VOLUNTEERED FOR VIET NAM!

BUSH VOLUNTEERED FOR VIET NAM!

BUSH VOLUNTEERED FOR VIET NAM!

Am I missing something here, or what?

23 posted on 09/10/2004 12:58:20 PM PDT by vanagoner
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To: KeyLargo

Yeah, I remember hearing this story on CBS News...along with the General who vouched for Bush in Alabama. /Sarcasm


24 posted on 09/10/2004 1:00:57 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: queenkathy
President Bush will speak Tuesday, Kerry on Thursday. It should be interesting!
25 posted on 09/10/2004 1:03:08 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry will do for this country what he did for fellow vets.)
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To: ArmyBratproud

NO you heard it.


26 posted on 09/10/2004 1:05:54 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Howlin

Thank you for the link. I never heard about this before.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 1:12:18 PM PDT by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: johnny dollar

That's what I needed to see.

THANK YOU ALL.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 1:16:07 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

Was it Maurice Udell?


29 posted on 09/10/2004 1:48:28 PM PDT by bushfamfan
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BTTT...Posts 10 and 12..


30 posted on 09/10/2004 2:13:01 PM PDT by LowOiL (Christian and proud of it !)
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To: KeyLargo

Removed #10, not because of any objection to its contents, but excerpt-only demand of Washington Times.


31 posted on 09/10/2004 8:52:10 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
excerpt-only demand of Washington Times.

Aw, $#!t, them too?...any day now, the only full text we'll be allowed to post will be the stuff we write ourselves.

Not that that would be a bad thing, since the MSM hasn't exactly covered themselves in glory lately.

32 posted on 09/10/2004 8:55:51 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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