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Yet Another CBS Document Experiment (CBS file vs. Word document) [perfect match]
Little Green Footballs ^ | 9/10/04

Posted on 09/10/2004 10:25:49 PM PDT by Cableguy

Here is the result if I print the Microsoft Word document I created to a PDF file:

Here is the CBS News “original:”

And here is the result if I overlay the CBS News “original” on my Word-created PDF file:

As you can see, it’s an even better match than the Word screenshots I’ve been using previously.

The superscript “th” in “187th” now lines up perfectly with the CBS News “original.”

The correspondence is so exact that in the center of the image (the focal point of the fax/copier machine that was probably used to “age” it) you cannot see any differences at all.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; danrather; killian; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 10:25:52 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

LGF has really gone to task


2 posted on 09/10/2004 10:26:37 PM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Crazieman
LGF has really gone to task

It's not about Dan Rather.

It's about 70 years of lies; the Berlin Wall of Information in this country.

The Emperors have no clothes.

3 posted on 09/10/2004 10:30:12 PM PDT by IncPen (Every Word From Kerry's Mouth is a Dishonorable Discharge... & the only 180 Kerry hasn't done is...)
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To: Crazieman

Nice work, cableguy.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 10:30:21 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: Cableguy

bump.


5 posted on 09/10/2004 10:30:45 PM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: Cableguy
 
Rut-ro! 
 
 

6 posted on 09/10/2004 10:32:24 PM PDT by VxH (The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.)
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To: OHelix

Charles at LGF did this, not cableguy ;)


7 posted on 09/10/2004 10:34:46 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: VxH

Was that authentic frontier Jibberish?


8 posted on 09/10/2004 10:36:36 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Cableguy
CBS = Careless Bush Smear-artists CBS, a dinosaur of the mainstream liberal media, tried to smear the President, and got caught: There are even more issues, the list could go on - bad dates (a Saturday for one memo); wording and acronyms that are non-military; multiple typesetting issues, not just the "th", the kerning, the proportional fonts, or the TimesNewRoman - that and more features unavailable on standard typewriters of the day.

CBS Said: "the documents in the 60 Minutes report were thoroughly examined and their authenticity vouched for by independent experts." This is clearly not the case. They lied. They found witnesses to vouch for what they wanted, not for the truth.

Conclusion: CBS has no credibility. They fail to report honestly. They accept faked documents without vetting them properly. They are not a serious news organization, just Careless Bush Smear-artists.

9 posted on 09/10/2004 10:39:42 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Cableguy
This may be the death-knell for MSM news.

How can any objective observer trust the MSM after this?

I do notice that ABC and the WashCOMPOST are trying to move into the void by questioning Ratherbiased.

10 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:02 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: Cableguy

DOH! Can I get a hand writing expert to confirm this match???


11 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:17 PM PDT by Xcoastie (It is more difficult to organize peace than to win a war - Aristotle)
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To: IncPen
It's not about Dan Rather.

It's about 70 years of lies; the Berlin Wall of Information in this country.

You are so right. The kind of crap Rather is pulling was pulled to whitewash Yalta in the 40s, to nail McCarthy in the 50s, to discredit the Vietnam generals and soldiers in the 60s, to crucify Richard Nixon in the 70s, to ridicule Reagain in the 80s (that didn't work too well), and to first elect and then save Bill Clinton's a** in the 90s.

The tide for the truth may finally be turning.

12 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:32 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Cableguy
Most excellent work!




It's Not Just A Gun...

It's My "HOMELAND DEFENSE RIFLE"!!
13 posted on 09/10/2004 10:40:47 PM PDT by The_Macallan
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To: Cableguy
The probability of even the most state-of-the-art, 1972 IBM Selectric Executive - with proportional fonts AND the custom mathematical symbols that would give the th - lining up exactly with your Word document are astronommically small.
14 posted on 09/10/2004 10:41:53 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Cableguy
Cableguy:

Did you click on the little "Convert to Adobe PDF" icon when the document was in Microsoft Word...

Or did you print it out, then scan and convert the PRINTED document to PDF format?

Not that it matters much...just curious...

Excellent work by the way. Converting a Word doc into a PDF does make the fonts look a bit funky.

I believe that CBS knew these were fakes all along, and if they didn't create them in house, probably got them from the DNC...

15 posted on 09/10/2004 10:44:06 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Cableguy

Very Nicely Done Cableguy!! Your technology and process was obviously too elaborate for CBS to attempt.


16 posted on 09/10/2004 10:44:23 PM PDT by Xcoastie (It is more difficult to organize peace than to win a war - Aristotle)
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To: Walkingfeather

It's Scooby-Doo speak.

http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/sd_brand/index.jsp


"Rut-ro" being an abreviated form of:

"Rime in reeeeeeeep roo-doo"


17 posted on 09/10/2004 10:47:24 PM PDT by VxH (The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.)
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To: Cableguy

Completely Authentic

Image Link

18 posted on 09/10/2004 10:49:28 PM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: Xcoastie

Look, no ink on my right hand, but you aint seein' my left hand! I plead the 5th, with a non superscript "th"

19 posted on 09/10/2004 10:50:17 PM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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To: WOSG
The magic word here is "Kerned," it is even more advanced than proportional spacing. In Kerning, letters are first adjusted for the :width, but then how they would look next to each other. For example the letter "J" might be placed a standard width from a "B: but closer to a "P" because the J would et end under the P a bit.

Try it with kerning off and kerning on in WORD and you will see.

Great comment of the night from Bernard Goldberg: "There is more political diversity allowed in the Taliban than you would ever see at CBS news."

Also "Rather's performance tonight was his version of "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski..... and about as believable."
20 posted on 09/10/2004 10:57:18 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Cableguy

All the evidence is MOOT, except the overlay.

The matching of the memo and the Word printout overlay being so perfect is a simple, 100% perfect proof that the memo is a fraud. The fact that you have to print out the Word document to get the exact match -- the fact that the screen shots do not match, shows how unlikely it is to get a perfect match. My older version of Word does not come close. This, and this alone, is overwhelming proof of fraud.

Have all four of the memos have been overlaid with their Word printouts? Is there a link to them?

Thanks in advance


21 posted on 09/10/2004 11:03:29 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Arnold Zephel

Fantastic! Liberate America from the occupation media! Viva La Revolucion!


22 posted on 09/10/2004 11:13:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime-Liberate America from the occupation media!)
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To: Cableguy; All
Excellent work, CG.

I typed up the document in Word. If you want it, you can get it here.

It is notable that they used the default font (Times New Roman) and the default tab stops ("18" in "18 August" appears right above the "." after "Bush"). If they really wanted this to look old, they would have gone with a font like Courier, not the default. This is clearly an amateur hack job.

23 posted on 09/10/2004 11:14:33 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Cableguy

It depends on what the meaning of "th" th.


24 posted on 09/10/2004 11:18:37 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Cream rises to the top, but in a secular culture, so does the slime.)
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To: Lexinom

There are amateurs who could have done a better job than this. It's so bad, it's a masterpiece.


25 posted on 09/10/2004 11:20:21 PM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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To: Cableguy

See-BS


26 posted on 09/10/2004 11:22:16 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Cableguy

When are we going to see this for what it really is? A distraction from that which requires the focus and attention of every U.S. voter. Who has led us well in the last 4 years? Who has been a staunch advocate of freedom and liberty in the last 4 years? Who has a record as commander-in-chief that we can rely on in this war on terror, based on what we have witnessed and experienced in the last 4 years?

Now, who has spent 19 years in the Senate, but didn't show up for over 50% of Senate votes, yet when he actually did make it to the floor to vote, voted AGAINST vital defense and security issues?

This is a smokescreen, folks! The liberals and their media will be exposed (AGAIN), but don't let them take your attention off what really matters!


27 posted on 09/10/2004 11:23:29 PM PDT by Just Lori (It's time for a National Liberalectomy!)
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To: Cableguy

Has anyone looked at the data inside the PDF files that CBS posted? I don't have a copy of them, but I'd like to open them with a text editor. It might have more clues.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 11:24:48 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Cableguy
There's no doubt that it's

Rather Authentic

29 posted on 09/10/2004 11:27:09 PM PDT by Quicksilver (I finally have a reason to like Microsoft Word.)
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To: Cableguy

At first blush, the flaw here may be the term CYA, which as far as I know, wasn't commonly in use in 1973. Anyone have any etymological history on this?


30 posted on 09/10/2004 11:27:16 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: VxH

31 posted on 09/10/2004 11:27:23 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Cableguy
good job.

by the way, am i the only one struck by the following sentence in what is purported to be a cover your ass memo to file?: "i'll backdate but won't rate."

think about it.

here's a guy who is trying to cover his ass, who creates a written, signed confession that he's complicit in falsifying documents (viz., the date thereof).

as an attorney, i can state categorically that the actual date that a document was created/signed is sometimes the most important fact appertaining thereto.

so ... yeah. right. this killian writes a memo memorializing his fraud to save him from future trouble?

i don't think so.

by the way, as one who has used every generation of word processing equipment since the ibm selectric, there is no question whatsoever in my mind that the documents were created by relatively modern technology, probably exactly as cableguy demonstrates hereinabove.

this is not, of course, to say that it is impossible that these documents were in fact created by michaelangelo using pen and ink or perhaps a paintbrush ... he was, after all, very talented.

probably created by some little punk ass cal poly computer grad too stupid and full of himself to understand that the output from typewriters and that from modern desktop publishing equipment patently differ.

you'd think his betters would have caught the error, though.

but ... maybe none of them ever worked in an office.

maybe none of them ever worked.

32 posted on 09/10/2004 11:30:04 PM PDT by johnboy
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To: MediaMole

That one's a classic!


33 posted on 09/10/2004 11:31:28 PM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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To: Cableguy
This is all so thrilling! Thanks for the update.
34 posted on 09/10/2004 11:31:36 PM PDT by Redcloak (This is my most clever tag line ever!)
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To: Cableguy

Excellent.

Quick question...on another thread someone was asking me what OETR stands for?


35 posted on 09/10/2004 11:39:01 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Cableguy

You'll get a better match if you matched the type on the first word... the forgery has it as 'Standt' instead of 'Staudt'.


36 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:29 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: IncPen
It's about 70 years of lies; the Berlin Wall of Information in this country.

Yea and the scary fact is if the moron that faked this has just done it on an old typewriter instead of in Word(just dumb)then CBS would have gotten away with it.... just scary how these press propaganda bastardies can lie and people buy

37 posted on 09/10/2004 11:47:03 PM PDT by tophat9000 ("Blackrock Bob" (aka DAN RATHER)....is in full denial)
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To: VxH

sorry sounded like gabby johnson from blazzing saddles I see the scooby in it now.


38 posted on 09/10/2004 11:50:03 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: TheLion

OETR = Military Acronym.. " Officer Education Training Record"..


39 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:01 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Many thanks...I need it on another thread.


40 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:26 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Walkingfeather

>>sorry sounded like gabby johnson from blazzing saddles I see the scooby in it now.


Ro Roblem :)


41 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:37 AM PDT by VxH (The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.)
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To: Cableguy

That would be because the typesetting algorithms were created in 1081 and used byeveryone. Not to mention that the Windows printer drivers control the output to the printer.

Another blogger noted yesterday that the "th" lined up perfectly when you printed to paper, but not when you used a screen capture. Such differences are to be expected.

I hate to say this, but one of the reasons magazines use Apple computers and Quark Express is their ability to exactly match screen images with final printout. Little things like the subtle misalignment of the "th" can drive graphic designers nuts.


42 posted on 09/11/2004 12:06:46 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: js1138

make that year 1981.


43 posted on 09/11/2004 12:07:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: rdl6989
Have you read CBS' defense? One thing I've not heard mentioned: Why did Killian not use hyphenated words at the end of lines? A proportional font does not let you know exactly whether there's enough room at the end of the line. It's a convenient coincidence that the replica I typed up in Word wraps the exact same words the "original" wrapped.

So, even if Killian's typewriter had th, I'd like to hear how he knew when to to a carriage-return. Were these typewriters computerized/buffered? In 1972?

44 posted on 09/11/2004 12:07:12 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: TheLion

You are right to point that out. It had to do with some obscure agency that has nothing to do with the facts. Some educational agency or something like that. Fox News talked about it on the Brit Hume show. Another evidence that the document is a forgery.


45 posted on 09/11/2004 12:09:09 AM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

Thanks. I just learned it should have been OER and not OETR.

I saw the Hume interview. That witness Compani (sp) was very credible.


46 posted on 09/11/2004 12:13:51 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Cableguy

I'm afraid that this little experiment was all for naught. The memos in question were typed up by Colonel Killian on an IBM Selectric Composer. I know this because that font of objective integrity, the Boston Globe, says so. Nice try, though.


47 posted on 09/11/2004 12:18:59 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cableguy

48 posted on 09/11/2004 12:20:40 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: IncPen
It's about 70 years of lies; the Berlin Wall of Information in this country.

Precisely.

49 posted on 09/11/2004 12:22:09 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: VxH

Bet ol Blather has even bigger bags under them eyes tomorrow. His goose is cooked. I couldn't have happenned to a nicer guy! /sarcasm.

Liberal Cannuck Jennings better stay on his toes or he's next. And I see that NBC appears to be backing off the 3 days they planned to have Kitty Kelly on the Today show. IMAGINE THAT!!!

Wonder what they are afraid of?? They had originally planned to show her for 3 days, but now I can't find her on the schedule at all for the NBC today show website


50 posted on 09/11/2004 1:13:50 AM PDT by libs_kma (If J effin K doesn't support your position now...just talk to him and he will...in a nuanced way)
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