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U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos (spreading the lie)
Times Daily, AL ^ | September 11, 2004 | AP

Posted on 09/11/2004 11:12:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Frank Jones says he's angry about newly revealed memos that indicate President Bush got preferential treatment in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam war, but he's not surprised by favoritism in the Guard.

Jones, a Republican from Troy, N.Y., served in Vietnam in 1970 and 1971 before doing 16 years in the Guard himself. As the presidential election nears, Jones says controversy over both candidates' military records and the mounting death toll in Iraq are important issues.

"I'm really in neither camp at this point," he said. "However, I do see a direct correlation to Vietnam. The body count is really starting to get to me."

Some current and retired members of the National Guard and other military services say the newly revealed Bush documents do not bother them, while others say they are troubling.

The documents, which became fodder for Democratic critics last week, indicate Bush was suspended from flying with his Texas Air National Guard unit because he missed a medical exam and that he missed six months of training. Questions have been raised about the documents' authenticity.

Lt. Col. Jim Driscoll, spokesman for the Georgia Army National Guard, said retired service members may comment on political issues such as the Bush documents, but most current reservists and active-duty service members will hesitate to voice their political opinions.

"It would be inappropriate," he said. "The president is our commander-in-chief and so we have to be very careful from an ethical perspective of how we express our political opinions."

Some who served in the National Guard say it is common practice to miss drills - even up to six months - because of job conflicts, family problems or illness.

Ralph Bradley, 56, a Republican from Albany who served three years in Vietnam in the Air Force and 17 years in the Georgia Army National Guard, said members are encouraged to make up drills so they don't lose pay or retirement benefits.

"There's all kinds of situations ... that cause a person to go out of state for a period of time," he said.

Army Reserve Sgt. Tim Wilding, 37, of Jefferson City, Mo., agreed.

Back home for two weeks of leave from Iraq, Wilding said he remains a staunch Bush supporter despite allegations Bush may have tried to get out of Guard drills for several months in 1972.

"A lot of guys don't serve for four or five months at a time," he said. "They've got other stuff going on. They'll make it up later on, or they just won't get paid. That's really no big deal to a lot of National Guard soldiers."

Allegations of suspect conduct during the Vietnam war also have been leveled at John Kerry, who won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star in Vietnam.

A group sponsoring television ads challenging his wartime record contends Kerry's own gunfire caused the wound that brought his first Purple Heart. Navy records and other veterans do not support the charge.

Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry.

Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.

"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

Neal Eubanks of Leesburg, who served 39 years in the military - 23 in the Air Force and 16 in the Georgia Army National Guard - said the presidential candidates should move beyond their military records and focus on the issues, such as the economy and unemployment.

"You don't see Korean veterans or World War II veterans or Grenada veterans always talking about 'I served here and I served there,'" said Eubanks, 67, a Bush supporter.

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Associated Press writers Russ Bynum in Savannah, Ga., David Lieb in Jefferson City, Mo., and Michael Gormley in Albany, N.Y., contributed to this report.


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1 posted on 09/11/2004 11:12:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No shame, is there?


2 posted on 09/11/2004 11:16:12 AM PDT by JennysCool (Funny how militant environmentalists always ruin the lawn)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wit the exception of the opening paragraph, which is quickly overwhelmed by all the rest of the folks actually serving in the Guard who lowered themselves enough to talk to this AP reporter, this piece should actually help Bush.

Not that he needs it.

3 posted on 09/11/2004 11:16:34 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: JennysCool

None.

The LIE is all they have.


4 posted on 09/11/2004 11:16:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rokke
"I'm really in neither camp at this point," he said. "However, I do see a direct correlation to Vietnam. The body count is really starting to get to me."

What is that?!

5 posted on 09/11/2004 11:18:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Allegations of suspect conduct during the Vietnam war also have been leveled at John Kerry, who won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star in ...


Sooner or later sKerry is going to have to sign the 180


6 posted on 09/11/2004 11:19:10 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Jones, a Republican from Troy, N.Y., served in Vietnam in 1970 and 1971 before doing 16 years in the Guard himself. As the presidential election nears, Jones says controversy over both candidates' military records and the mounting death toll in Iraq are important issues. "I'm really in neither camp at this point," he said. "However, I do see a direct correlation to Vietnam. The body count is really starting to get to me."

Yeah, he sounds like a conservative to me. :-)

Must be a Lawrence Walsh/David Gergen/Kevin Phillips Republican.
7 posted on 09/11/2004 11:19:35 AM PDT by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump


8 posted on 09/11/2004 11:19:49 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hysterical, They got a Rino from NY and a guy named Ahmad to slam Bush. SO basically phony Republicans and guys who want Islam to win are peeved about Bush because of forgeries perpetrated by Kerry and CBS.

Who is the reporter behind this? He needs tro be canned!!!!


9 posted on 09/11/2004 11:20:27 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The AP is powerful, aren't they?

When will we see another Tom Hays byline do you think?

10 posted on 09/11/2004 11:20:29 AM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Frank Jones says he's angry about newly revealed memos... What planet has he been the last 48 hours? Doesn't he know that the documents are forgeries? Am I missing something here?
11 posted on 09/11/2004 11:20:58 AM PDT by no dems (The BC/'04 Campaign needs to monitor this website.)
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To: Rokke
***Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.

"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

Neal Eubanks of Leesburg, who served 39 years in the military - 23 in the Air Force and 16 in the Georgia Army National Guard - said the presidential candidates should move beyond their military records and focus on the issues, such as the economy and unemployment.

"You don't see Korean veterans or World War II veterans or Grenada veterans always talking about 'I served here and I served there,'" said Eubanks, 67, a Bush supporter. ***

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News the Dems need. Gosh, I wonder how many remarks were pro-Bush and left off the page.

12 posted on 09/11/2004 11:21:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Liberal democrat in sheep's clothing. Any real man who can say such BS is a left-wing liberal. Oldest trick in the Democats book.


13 posted on 09/11/2004 11:22:12 AM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: JennysCool

Oh, it's the AP. DId they mention the forgery controversy. I only skimmed this hideous article. Given the great probability that these are false, the AP really shouldn't go running around asking people questions like they are real.

This is madness. And nobody even at the AP wanted to put their name on it.

This is an ongoing attempt to deceive the elecorate.

No SHAME!!


14 posted on 09/11/2004 11:22:47 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: no dems
What planet has he been the last 48 hours? Doesn't he know that the documents are forgeries? Am I missing something here?

The LIBERAL media is going to roll this right over the truth.

15 posted on 09/11/2004 11:23:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gosh, I wonder how many remarks were pro-Bush and left off the page.

More than the anti-ones they printed, I'd say.

This will get nastier.

16 posted on 09/11/2004 11:24:43 AM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

By ELLIOTT MINOR
Associated Press Writer

Associated Press writers Russ Bynum in Savannah, Ga., David Lieb in Jefferson City, Mo., and Michael Gormley in Albany, N.Y., contributed to this report.

http://www.ap.org/


17 posted on 09/11/2004 11:24:46 AM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Frank Jones says he's angry about newly revealed recently falsified memos that indicate President Bush got preferential treatment in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam war, but he's not surprised by favoritism in the Guard.

There, now it's more accurate.

18 posted on 09/11/2004 11:25:36 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: bitt

[Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry. ]
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Go figure.


19 posted on 09/11/2004 11:27:07 AM PDT by GaretGarrett
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
.......Gosh, I wonder how many remarks were pro-Bush and left off the page.

We'll never know. I'd bet there wuz a bunch of 'em tho.....

20 posted on 09/11/2004 11:27:11 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Proof that Karl Rove did not leak forged memos. This sucks.

I talked about this with a Democrat at the office yesterday. He said it was turnabout for the SwiftBoat Vets "lies" and we should not complain.


21 posted on 09/11/2004 11:27:58 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: bitt

Thanks for the AP writer's name.

Bump!


22 posted on 09/11/2004 11:28:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This story was probably written tues night ready to go Thursday, but there was a little problem. so they waited until 9-11. AP is one nasty, vicious group.


23 posted on 09/11/2004 11:29:18 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

He assumes this is haunting Bush!

Excuse me but this is probably what Bush is doing right now.


24 posted on 09/11/2004 11:30:15 AM PDT by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Partisan Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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To: JennysCool

"Ahmad Majied of Albany...a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years."

Perhaps the SEAL wannabe guys need to follow up on this fellow...


25 posted on 09/11/2004 11:30:42 AM PDT by astounded
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To: faithincowboys
This is an ongoing attempt to deceive the elecorate.

Nah, there's a lot of reporting in the MSM about the forgery scandal (e.g., ABC radio news yesterday called them "forged documents" with no hedging or qualifiers).

If the people in this article haven't yet figured it out, then they're really beyond hope.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the AP simply made up the quotes in this story, because it seems unlikely that a VN vet would have heard the Bush story but missed the forgery angle. It doesn't add up.

26 posted on 09/11/2004 11:31:28 AM PDT by angkor
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To: no dems
Frank Jones says he's angry about newly revealed memos... What planet has he been the last 48 hours? Doesn't he know that the documents are forgeries? Am I missing something here?

No but when he finds out he'll be even angrier at being duped. What happens to a person when they realized they've been mugged or conned? ;-)

27 posted on 09/11/2004 11:31:44 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: CobaltBlue
I talked about this with a Democrat at the office yesterday. He said it was turnabout for the SwiftBoat Vets "lies" and we should not complain.


28 posted on 09/11/2004 11:32:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Letter to AP sent:

"How could you possibly release the article entitled "U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos" after everything that has surfaced about these memos?

This is *shameless*.

Until the authenticity of these documents is thoroughly tested, it is ridiculous to run any article that doesn't mention IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH that the documents are possibly (more like "most likely") forgeries. Failure to do so only propagates a lie.

I once remember when news agencies were interested in getting to the truth. How sad that those days are past. You leave me with no choice but to regard skeptically every article sourced from the AP. You are only damaging your own credibility in the fashion of Jason Blair and the NYT."


29 posted on 09/11/2004 11:40:36 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: CobaltBlue
I talked about this with a Democrat at the office yesterday. He said it was turnabout for the SwiftBoat Vets "lies" and we should not complain.

So, in their mind, the words of Vietnam veterans who served with Kerry is somehow so evil that it must be countered with forged documents from a man who is dead and cannot refute them.

30 posted on 09/11/2004 11:41:02 AM PDT by eggman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In the AP story a guy named Ahmad Majied of Albany, Ga. claims to have served "five years as a SEAL in Vietnam." There is a website somewhere that authenticates Navy SEAL service.


31 posted on 09/11/2004 11:49:34 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: bolobaby

Great letter.

I hope they get a ton.

Bump!


32 posted on 09/11/2004 11:50:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It's not that the documents are forged, it's all about the reaction. It's not the narrative but the meta-narrative. This article is blatant propaganda.


33 posted on 09/11/2004 11:52:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: boxerblues
Sooner or later sKerry is going to have to sign the 180

The longer he waits to reveal his 180 the better off we all are. The notion that he is waiting for a late date to spring his glorious record in order to stifle his critics is seeming quite ill advised now.

Likely it is that the records demonstrate the contrary concerning his exploits. More and more I am convinced that Kerry's actual records indicate a poor review by his superior Officers. Gosh, I am one of his constituents, and I would certainly like to review his performance as a U S Senator, but I digress.

Every moment that he waits to release his file proves he is hiding something. Opening his 180 on the Friday before the vote seems pretty stupid. He could have nipped this criticism stuff in the bud if the 180 actually reinforces his grandiose claims. The fact that he has not released them is fuel for this fire.

Perhaps he seeks to emulate the original JFK by actually being in command of a sinking ship. I cannot figure this dude out, but I know that I despise him

34 posted on 09/11/2004 11:53:10 AM PDT by Radix (...it is easier for logical men to appear barbarous than for barbarous men to appear civilized.)
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Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL

Guy sounds like one of those "fake vets", or at least fake SEALs. Any SEALs out there with lists of Vietnam era SEALs? I know the SEALs take particular umbrage at people who weren't SEALs claiming to have been.

35 posted on 09/11/2004 11:53:16 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: JennysCool

I say the article is BS....if I recall, active military personnel are not allowed to comment on politics, especially in front of presstitutes.


36 posted on 09/11/2004 11:54:56 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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U.S. Servicemen React to Bush Guard Memos (spreading the lie)

You've got to hand it to Rather, CBS and the rest of the MSM.
It would surely be the peak of a journalistic career to cause the USA to
retire from two wars with tail-between-legs.

I still refuse to believe that Rather served in the USMC.
37 posted on 09/11/2004 11:54:57 AM PDT by VOA
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To: 1rudeboy
This article is blatant propaganda.

Bump!

38 posted on 09/11/2004 11:55:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JennysCool

Attack mode courtesy of James Carville and John 'Gutter' Sasso.


39 posted on 09/11/2004 11:56:17 AM PDT by hershey
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To: VOA
I still refuse to believe that Rather served in the USMC.

I'm with you.

40 posted on 09/11/2004 11:57:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"You don't see Korean veterans or World War II veterans or Grenada veterans always talking about 'I served here and I served there,'" said Eubanks, 67, a Bush supporter.

I don't hear GWB doing it either! J.F'n.K is the only one doing it.

41 posted on 09/11/2004 12:00:46 PM PDT by Aeronaut (Democrats can't get elected unless things get worse -- and things won't unless they get elected.)
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To: Fiddlstix
Campaign finance reform only gives old media more power.

Check this out: In the middle of the article, just when the response to the accusations start: (Story can end here. Optional add follows.)

42 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: faithincowboys

In my twenty plus years of service I never served with a muslim. I never met or saw one who was a militray retiree. I think the whole article is DNC liberal lies, deception and propaganda.


43 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:54 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: Aeronaut
I don't hear GWB doing it either! J.F'n.K is the only one doing it.

Exactly - it's called smoke and mirrors and muddying the waters.

44 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: VOA
Rather still serves in the Underground Soviet Media Commissariat.
45 posted on 09/11/2004 12:02:20 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Ron Reagan has slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the face of God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Blather served with the communists, does that count?


46 posted on 09/11/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

I know some muslims have served, but I wouldn't be at all surprised that this whole thing was garbage.


47 posted on 09/11/2004 12:03:40 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for the link


48 posted on 09/11/2004 12:04:19 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: RasterMaster
Real photo


49 posted on 09/11/2004 12:05:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Lots of pics of that scumbag hugging the enemy. Same as Jane Fonda in my opinion.


50 posted on 09/11/2004 12:07:21 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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