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KERRY & MEDIA TO ATTACK BUSH
Fiedor Report On the News #316 ^ | 9-11-04 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 09/11/2004 11:43:01 AM PDT by forest

The liberal media see their favored candidate heading towards the dumpsters. Instead of reporting why this is the case, the liberals in the media conspire to ramp up their attack on Bush and any real or perceived Republicans that happen to be handy.

Last month they were writing hit-pieces on the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. That is, the media coordinated an attack on the 254 Swifties and supported the two or three who still back Kerry.

Even liberals get an opinion. The problem is, they should not publish that opinion as hard news, which they do. Because, the true fact is that the Swifties have enough eye witness reports to convict Kerry in any court for falsifying reports to the Navy.

Last week the liberal cross-dressers in the media and Kerry campaign said they are going to start ramping up the meanness and go after President Bush hot and heavy. Well, I have a question for the liberal media: Can I play, too?

Remember now, I know some of you toke and snort. I also know which of you drink more than your share of adult beverages. If I think about it some, I'll bet I can also match up who was playing extracurricular games with whom. All readers should know that journalists are "public figures" and so we can let out all sorts of interesting truths about their lifestyles with impunity. So there's my little notice to the media. Are we still getting nasty?

Enough of that. Time to try political meanness:

Last week we saw the leftist Associated Press and CBS again conjure up stories about that old canard of Lieutenant George Bush missing Guard meetings. No news there, but evidently the far left media has nothing else nasty to say about Bush.

Well, turn around is fair play. Let's look at Kerry's record. As posted, Kerry's DD-214 form is obviously not correct. Most probably, Kerry received the discharge he deserved: Bad Conduct. That was because of his antics with the Vietnam Veterans Against The War while he was still a commissioned officer in the Navy. I'm not really sure about the Navy, but I know darn well that the Army would have had something to say if I started a communist front organization like that while still being in the reserves. My bet is that they would have had me sitting in the brig at Fort Knox, for starters.

Simply put, Kerry will never allow his military records to become public because he received something other than an honorable discharge and then had it changed after becoming a senator. Kerry is ashamed of his military records, as he should be.

So, where is the liberal media on this? AWOL, of course. They support communist sympathizers.

Tell Kerry to put up -- or shut up and go away. Voters have a right to see everything in this faux hero's record.

There's another little problem American voters should be aware of. Kerry was treated for medical and psychiatric problems. Two are manifest by sleepwalking, which he admits. Kerry received both medical and psychiatric treatment for whatever reasons. Voters deserve a full report on that, else we cannot judge his trustworthiness as our nation's top cop and as commander of our armed forces.

Many in the media know of these problems. It's no secret. Yet, they never mention it. Why? If it were George Bush, they would be trumpeting that loud and clear, demanding all records be released.

We already know that Kerry is a compulsive liar and cannot hold a working opinion more then a few moments. What causes these problems? What else will we find in Kerry's medical and psychiatric records? Come on, media, stop protecting Kerry. The American people need to know.

Then there are the tax records. How did it happen that the billionaire Kerrys only had $5.49 million of income in 2003 and paid just $677,000 in taxes? Is it true that they only paid 12% on over five million bucks in income? Kerry wants American workers making $200,000 to pay 38%. Why is this stuff not news?

And why hide Teresa's income tax forms? Voters have a right to know which of the communist, socialist, anarchist and environmental groups she is funding. Why is she so ashamed of it?

The rabid liberals in the media and Kerry campaign want to ramp up the meanness? Okay. But that street runs both ways. John Kerry has a lot of skeletons in his closet to talk about.  

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Liberals should not publish opinion as hard news.

Hard Ball? OK. It is known who tokes, snorts, drinks and plays extracurricular games with whom.

Kerry's DD-214 is not correct, probably due to a Bad Conduct discharge.

Kerry was treated for medical and psychiatric problems.

Many in the media know of these problems. It's no secret.

Kerry is a compulsive liar with varying working opinions.

If the Kerrys only paid 12% on over five million bucks, why does he want American workers making $200,000 to pay 38%?

Teresa's income tax forms? Which communist, socialist, anarchist and environmental groups is she funding.

1 posted on 09/11/2004 11:43:02 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest

They've thrown everything at Bush but the clinton's sink and he's still kicking kerry's butt. People have tuned out the Bush bashers. They shot their wads much too early in the game.


2 posted on 09/11/2004 11:47:59 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: forest

Kerry's DD-214 is not correct, probably due to a Bad Conduct discharge.


Well if Kerry won't release all his records maybe the guy that "found" the Col. Killian memos has them and will release them? Surely 60 minutes will air them....


3 posted on 09/11/2004 11:51:39 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: forest

Aren't bad conduct discharges/dishonorable discharges matters of public record? Most servicemens' future private lives are ruined if they get a dishonorable discharge. You might as well have "convicted felon" on your record.


4 posted on 09/11/2004 11:54:49 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: forest; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave

BTTT


6 posted on 09/11/2004 12:14:33 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Mo1

Ping


7 posted on 09/11/2004 12:20:03 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: forest

MS Word 2000 isn't pro Bush or anti Kerry.

Phil Dragoo has provided us with the incredible link below that will show us how the forgery was done with MS Word 2000.

Go to the link, let it load, sit back and watch the forgery recreated in about one minute.

Remember that MS Word 2000 is not pro Bush nor anti Kerry.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf


8 posted on 09/11/2004 12:23:17 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: forest

Don didn't leave Kerry a fig leaf to hide behind. Mental and psychiatric problems, a probable bad conduct discharge, all those tax breaks, compulsive liar. Why in the world did Kerry think he could actually get away with this and still run for President? Because nobody in Massachusetts bothered to publish this stuff. We've been a RAT state since Kennedy, sorry. Mitt Romney isn't an aberration, but republicans are just starting to come out of hiding around here. And then there's MamaT.'s money. Kerry's gotten so comfortable with all his expensive toys and jet set life style, the day job he doesn't bother to go to, his pricey clothes, hairdresser, botox and facelifts, manicurist...for those girlie fingernails, the butler, maids, cooks, chauffeurs, jet planes, mansions, etc., that he believed he was something special. Guess what? He's right about that much. He's wondrously stupid.


9 posted on 09/11/2004 12:27:54 PM PDT by hershey
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To: forest

Doug Fiedor didn't leave Kerry a fig leaf to hide behind. Mental and psychiatric problems, a probable bad conduct discharge, all those tax breaks, compulsive liar. Why in the world did Kerry think he could actually get away with this and still run for President? Because nobody in Massachusetts bothered to publish this stuff. We've been a RAT state since Kennedy, sorry. Mitt Romney isn't an aberration, but republicans are just starting to come out of hiding around here. And then there's MamaT.'s money. Kerry's gotten so comfortable with all his expensive toys and jet set life style, the day job he doesn't bother to go to, his pricey clothes, hairdresser, botox and facelifts, manicurist...for those girlie fingernails, the butler, maids, cooks, chauffeurs, jet planes, mansions, etc., that he believed he was something special. Guess what? He's right about that much. He's wondrously stupid.


10 posted on 09/11/2004 12:28:38 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Dont Mention the War
Maybe ... maybe not. Maybe Kerry got a "General" discharge (less than Honorable). Remember that thus far, Kerry has posted military records on his web site that he has had ample opportunity to "sanitize" or modify. Some records that are available, he won't release.

The ONLY way to determine the truthfulness of ANY of Kerry's records is for Kerry to sign the SF180 and order the full and complete release of ALL his military records ... and if he doesn't - then let us assume it is because he has something to hide!!!

Mike

11 posted on 09/11/2004 12:32:44 PM PDT by Vineyard
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To: forest; ActiveDutyUSMC; dakine; bkwells; chookter; Hacksaw434; thumperusn; Hostel; The Sailor; ...
BRING IT ON!

E-Mail this story AND links to the media today.

John Kerry directly contributed to the lies of the anti war movement AND caused deaths and injuries
to US Military serving in Vietnam AND
directly caused deaths from injuries at home AND countless suicides because of his false testimony.

John Kerry is not fit to be elected dog catcher let alone President of the United States.
ANYONE who votes for Kerry AFTER knowing this data
is guilty of covering up John Kerry's war crimes!


John Kerry, director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War,
testified before special session the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
April 22, 1971

KERRY GAVE TESTIMONY BASED UPON FALSE INFORMATION
THAT KERRY KNEW AHEAD OF TIME TO BE FALSE!




September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam. After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.


E-Mail and/or fax these url's to EVERYONE ASAP! Kerry MUST be exposed NOW!
PUT PRESSURE ON THE MEDIA TO COVER THIS BEFORE NOV 2nd

Steve Pitkin Story


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

Steve Pitkin DD-214


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinWSI

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)


http://www.wintersoldier.com/video/pitkin2.wmv

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here


http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html


Guide to Local Media
Locate media in your zip code, gives you links to YOUR local media with phone, e-mail etc info.

Free Internet Fax Service
Free E-Mail to Fax from your computer, just fill in form on page , they do the rest.
Make sure you enter fax # like this 12025551212 (no spaces or -)


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Kerry's disrespect in 1971 to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media .......... Real Player .......... Quick Time .......... AOL

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense
arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

Free online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!


NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."


Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

John F. Kerry Timeline of a traitor

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Kerry's disrespect in 1971
to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.wmv

Real Player
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.rm

Quick Time
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mov

AOL
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mpg

Send this url for the online "The New Soldier" version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/




12 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:23 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: forest

BUMP!


13 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:54 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: forest

When is the next Swift Boat ad?

WHy don't they ask Kerry to disclose ALL his military records instead of forging negative ones for Bush?


14 posted on 09/11/2004 12:34:09 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump


15 posted on 09/11/2004 12:34:14 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (Poetry is my forte.)
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To: forest

Look at the array of groups who are intent on electing John Kerry, and many of the questions about the ferocity of the Mainstream Media's efforts can be put into context.

The long-term goals of worldwide socialism and communism have not, as many believe, been put away! The long-term goals of groups within America to eliminate every acknowledgment of God from the public square (ACLU, Peole For the American Way, etc., etc.), and to transform the society in ways the Founders would not recognize as conducive to liberty--none of these goals have been realized.

And the array of powerful forces that are intent on electing John Kerry, their hero, fear that their aim of naming Supreme Court justices and continuing the assault by activist judges will be threatened by another Bush term.

Why are we surprised at the viciousness of the attacks and the willingness of people and organizations to do what is now being done?


16 posted on 09/11/2004 12:35:32 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: forest
Several of my posting concerning John Kerry, VVAW and the FBI files.

John F. Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War VVAW, who did John Kerry work for? In reading the FBI files concerning John F. Kerry and the VVAW I find several instances where the VVAW is receiving money, directions, and non-monetary support from Communist Organizations in the USA, Europe, Soviet Union, France and Southeast Asia, as well as other countries.

FBI Documents indicate that while John Kerry was with the VVAW, VVAW leaders met with KGB agents in the US. “VVAW collusion with foreign spies? “The Diplomatic List published by U.S. Department of State, in 1971 listed Grigoriy Sergeyvich Milhaylovskiy as an assistant Military Attache, Embassy of the U.S.S.R., Washington, D.C.”

Highlights of the FBI files and John Kerry, section 7 (October 1971)

Vietnam Veterans Against the War, John Kerry, FBI files Section 8 (Oct-Nov 1971)

Do the FBI Files concerning the VVAW (Kerry’s antiwar group) indicate a plot to assassinate Pres. Nixon?

Here is what I have found in the FBI files re: VVAW and John Kerry

John Kerry caused a fracture in VVAW for his own selfish goals (FBI Files reveal)

Kerry, Watergate: DNC Links Caused Break-in? (Kerry lied! Still with the VVAW after February 1972)

Lets watch the film of John Kerry and VVAW members throwing combat medals over the fence

Treat as Yellow – John Kerry’s VVAW coordinating with the North Vietnam Communist Government when US forces are under attack

VVAW leader meets with Communists to discuss tactics in the US antiwar movement. Kerry’s group!

Vietnam Veterans Against the War, John Kerry, FBI files Section 8 (Oct-Nov 1971)

This one is not my post:

New Video TV ad – Kerry’s VVAW Assassination Plot
17 posted on 09/11/2004 12:38:08 PM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: forest

PING


18 posted on 09/11/2004 12:38:17 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Kerry Lied and Good Men Died!"

"Kerry Fled and Good Men Bled!"

19 posted on 09/11/2004 12:41:21 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: hershey
To Reply #9: " In Massachusetts, ... Republicans are just starting to come out of hiding ..."

That is the most significant statement in your post, IMHO. Maybe Massachusetts will wake up now. That will be devastating to the Hillary camp.

21 posted on 09/11/2004 12:54:42 PM PDT by forest
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To: forest

Is anyone in news/media, old or new, locked and loaded to bring this stuff out in the open in a credible way?


22 posted on 09/11/2004 12:55:31 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: whatever___whatever

To Reply #20: The credit goes to author Doug Fiedor. He's the Guy with the smarts.


23 posted on 09/11/2004 1:00:36 PM PDT by forest
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To: forest
"Kerry and Media to attack Bush"

No kidding, when will it start?

24 posted on 09/11/2004 1:02:24 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


25 posted on 09/11/2004 1:04:08 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: forest
Well, since this thread is about theories why Kerry is not fit to command...

I am curious as to why Kerry volunteered for Swift boat duty. I know that Swift boats weren't engaging the enemy in action at the time Kerry volunteered, but it still showed some initiative for Kerry to volunteer to get off a nice, safe ship cruising well outside enemy fire. My own theory is that Kerry was not getting along with his CO on the Gridley and that's why he volunteered for Swift boat duty.

Does anybody know if the released Effectiveness reports cover the time Kerry served on the Gridley? Or are those some of the reports Kerry hasn't released?

And another rumor I've heard that I'd like to hear about is whether Kerry and Ms. Teresa are really married? Simple question, but are there any factual (unforged) documents proving that Kerry is married to Mrs. Heinz? Others have commented that they don't know the details of the pre-nup in Kerry's marriage, but maybe there's a reason for that.

26 posted on 09/11/2004 1:09:38 PM PDT by Siegfried (Free Republic is here to PUMP [clap] YOU UP!)
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To: forest

great article, bookmarked it


27 posted on 09/11/2004 1:18:55 PM PDT by knak
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To: forest; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; Luis Gonzalez; ...





GOD BLESS THE SWIFTEES - Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

28 posted on 09/11/2004 1:49:16 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

Bill was schlick - Hillary is schlicker!


29 posted on 09/11/2004 1:52:33 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Jihad - coming to a school near you - 53 days until November 2nd - 9/11 is this Saturday.)
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To: forest; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Prepare

CBS stands by challenged documents on Bush
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- CBS News acknowledges memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard are difficult to definitively authenticate, but says they came from "solid sources."

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.

On Friday's "CBS Evening News," anchor Dan Rather said that "no definitive evidence" has emerged to prove the documents are forgeries.

"If any definitive evidence comes up, we will report it," Rather said.

The show broadcast excerpts of interviews with Marcel Matley, a San Francisco document expert, who said he believed the memos were genuine.

CBS can state "with absolute certainty" that the disputed memos could have been produced on typewriters available in the early 1970s when the memos are purported to have been written, the network said. Rather said the typeface and style of the memos were available on typewriters since well before the 1970s.

But CBS News said in a statement: "The documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but sources familiar with their content." Matley was the only expert cited, and he focused on signatures on the memos.

Matley and Rather acknowledged the memos were difficult to definitively authenticate because CBS has only photocopies, not the originals. Matley did not return a telephone message left at his office immediately after Friday's report.

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record, and Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1 1/2 years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday

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Article published Sep 11, 2004
CBS stands by challenged documents on Bush

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON CBS News acknowledges memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard are difficult to definitively authenticate, but says they came from "solid sources."

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.

On Friday's "CBS Evening News," anchor Dan Rather said that "no definitive evidence" has emerged to prove the documents are forgeries.

"If any definitive evidence comes up, we will report it," Rather said.

The show broadcast excerpts of interviews with Marcel Matley, a San Francisco document expert, who said he believed the memos were genuine.

CBS can state "with absolute certainty" that the disputed memos could have been produced on typewriters available in the early 1970s when the memos are purported to have been written, the network said. Rather said the typeface and style of the memos were available on typewriters since well before the 1970s.

But CBS News said in a statement: "The documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but sources familiar with their content." Matley was the only expert cited, and he focused on signatures on the memos.

Matley and Rather acknowledged the memos were difficult to definitively authenticate because CBS has only photocopies, not the originals. Matley did not return a telephone message left at his office immediately after Friday's report.

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record, and Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1 1/2 years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday segment - reported by Rather - on Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973.

Former colleagues of Killian disagreed Friday on the authenticity of the documents.

One, who appeared in the TV newsmagazine segment, said Friday he did not see anything in the memos that made him think they were forgeries. Robert Strong noted he's not a forensic expert and isn't vouching for the documents.

"I didn't see anything that was inconsistent with how we did business," Strong said in an interview. "It looked like the sort of thing that Jerry Killian would have done or said. He was a very professional guy."

Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents.

Retired Col. Maurice Udell, the unit's instructor pilot who helped train Bush, said Friday he thought the documents were fake.

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on '60 Minutes,'" Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

Killian's son also questioned some of the documents, saying his father would never write a memo like the "sugar coat" one.

Several of the document examiners said one clue that the documents may be forgeries was the presence of superscripts - in this case, a raised, smaller "th" in two references to Guard units.

Rather said typewriters were available in the early 1970s which were capable of printing superscripts. CBS pointed to other Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House that include an example of a raised "th" superscript.

That superscript, however, is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos. Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer.

Lines said that meant she could testify in court that, beyond a reasonable doubt, her opinion was that the memos were written on a computer.

CBS has not revealed its source or sources for the documents or the names of experts besides Matley it said examined the memos before Wednesday's report.

Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday the White House, which distributed the memos after obtaining them from CBS News, was not trying to verify their authenticity. "We don't know if the documents are fabricated or authentic," McClellan told reporters traveling with the president to West Virginia.

McClellan suggested the memos surfaced as part of "an orchestrated effort by Democrats and the Kerry campaign to tear down the president."

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Associated Press Correspondent Kelley Shannon contributed to this report from Austin, Texas.



30 posted on 09/11/2004 1:56:45 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Vineyard

WOW, you just got me thinking... What IF Kerry's online war records ARE doctored and thats why he wont allow official total release... That would be the EXACT SAME M.O. as Doctoring Military Docs and floating them over to their buddies at CBS! This could be the linkage everyone is looking for. Total treasonous behaviour if you ask me. Meltdown time.


31 posted on 09/11/2004 2:03:40 PM PDT by WashStateGirl
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To: forest

There was quite a bit of this meanness crap that went on back in 1994 when Dubya ran against Ann Richards. Look who won. Furthermore, Dubya was vetted at that time as he was again in 2000, as he is being again now. It's always the same crap.

Notice I didn't say he was vetted when he ran for re-election as Texas Governor in 1998. He didn't have an opponent.


32 posted on 09/11/2004 2:08:17 PM PDT by johnb838 (Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world.)
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To: loveliberty2

They cannot defeat us on the battlefield, so they seek to undermine. And this includes our so-called friends in Europe as well as our foreign enemies and domestic traitors.

It's still hard to be humble when you're the best that ever was.


33 posted on 09/11/2004 2:21:10 PM PDT by johnb838 (Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world.)
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To: fish hawk
"Kerry and Media to attack Bush"

More Bre'r Rabbit: Now you done really make me mad Tar Baby, so I'se gwine smack you wif de odder hand.

If the 2002 election was about the Little Red Hen, this one's about Bre'r Fox and Bre'r Rabbit.

34 posted on 09/11/2004 2:25:11 PM PDT by johnb838 (Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world.)
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To: EdReform; forest; Happy2BMe; devolve; Smartass; Boazo
Good article:

There's another little problem American voters should be aware of. Kerry was treated for medical and psychiatric problems. Two are manifest by sleepwalking, which he admits. Kerry received both medical and psychiatric treatment for whatever reasons. Voters deserve a full report on that, else we cannot judge his trustworthiness as our nation's top cop and as commander of our armed forces.

Many in the media know of these problems. It's no secret. Yet, they never mention it. Why? If it were George Bush, they would be trumpeting that loud and clear, demanding all records be released.

We already know that Kerry is a compulsive liar and cannot hold a working opinion more then a few moments. What causes these problems? What else will we find in Kerry's medical and psychiatric records? Come on, media, stop protecting Kerry. The American people need to know.


35 posted on 09/11/2004 2:35:07 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Happy2BMe; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Boazo; OXENinFLA; Grampa Dave; Lady Jag; ...







GOD BLESS THE SWIFTEES - Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

36 posted on 09/11/2004 2:35:55 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: WashStateGirl

Well, apparently he's been doctoring his medal citations and using a classified signature machine to forge the Navy Secretary's signature since the 1980s. This really could be his M.O.

Or, it could be Michael Moore. I think it is very important to Br'er Moore to see himself as influential on the election. BTW, what have Alfrankenstein and Jeneane Gawdawfulho been up to lately? I haven't heard a peep out of them.

I also think that, if anybody can hold their nose long enough to do it, Democratic Underground should be investigated. This is excactly the sort of sophomoric prank that should be right up their alley. If so, it may have succeeded far beyond their wildest hopes. And raised the stakes far higher than intended if the perp gets caught. Much like certain virus writers who never intended to shut down the world internet, and have the FBI knocking on the door.


37 posted on 09/11/2004 2:37:43 PM PDT by johnb838 (Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world.)
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To: MeekOneGOP




THANKS FOR THE PING


Proud To Be Part Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

38 posted on 09/11/2004 2:41:35 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass; Happy2BMe; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Boazo; OXENinFLA; Grampa Dave; ...

MSNBC 's Chris matthews is attacking the POW's Producer of Stolen Honor and those Vets claiming that John Kerry's cactions were used in their torture.....claims to have POW's who never heard the name of Kerry in their camps and were also tortured!

Do not know if it is a replay!


39 posted on 09/11/2004 2:48:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: forest; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

See my note just above.


40 posted on 09/11/2004 2:49:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: rolling_stone

Then sign the petition for Kerry to sign the Standard Form 180 at www.SignForm180.com


41 posted on 09/11/2004 2:50:44 PM PDT by Beckwith (Bush 54 . . . Kerry 43 . . .)
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To: forest; NYC GOP Chick; hellinahandcart; cyborg; Lil'freeper

Lock 'n Load!


42 posted on 09/11/2004 2:57:22 PM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: hershey

"Mental and psychiatric problems, a probable bad conduct discharge, all those tax breaks, compulsive liar, a girly-man, fake war hero, Communist sympathizer, etc..."

stealing Theresa's line.... "Anyone who wouldn't vote for my husband is an IDIOT!"


43 posted on 09/11/2004 3:06:35 PM PDT by moonman
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
what else is new.

NOTHING worse may be said of any man than that he BETRAYED his comrades-in-arms.

free dixie,sw

44 posted on 09/11/2004 3:15:33 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: forest
"KERRY & MEDIA TO ATTACK BUSH"

Finally! A novel approach! < /sarcasm >

45 posted on 09/11/2004 3:37:57 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Does anyone mean to say that Kerry and the media haven't been attacking Pres. Bush?


46 posted on 09/11/2004 3:38:58 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Siegfried

Link to the Gridley can be found in the links below...as well as who is connected to the Kerry campaign.


http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/pacepa200402260828.asp

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

http://exposingsatanism.org/Forum/lofiversion/index.php/t65.html


find out who is connected with who...

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.internationalanswer.org/endorsers.html

http://www.workers.org/

http://www.infoshop.org/texts/wwp.html

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/50/news-corn.php

http://www.greens.org/s-r/31/31-09.html

http://www.sp-usa.org/labor/

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/Links.htm

http://www.gp.org/links.html

...and follow the money: http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.asp

http://www.activistcash.com/
Pay particular attention to moveon.org...and it's connections...

Much of the money is coming from out of the country. Follow it, if you dare.

I do recommend that one does one's own research into these matters.

Bones





http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3778

http://25thaviation.org/johnkerry/default.htm

http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html


http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2004/04/john_kerrys_dat.html

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/War%20Criminal.htm

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/cat_kerry.html

I put this next one in here because I thought it was interesting.

http://www.slobokan.com/index.php



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/3/110242.shtml


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40272


http://www.netwmd.com/articles/article694.html


http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/fbifiles/100-HQ-448092/Section%2015/Section%2015.pdf


http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062437/posts


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1094279634083&p=1006953079865


This one is more about Bush than kerry, but answers questions concerning the President's NG service.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040831-094211-3678r.htm

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/editorial/9576373.htm?1c

http://hail.he.net/~danger/kerrylied/staticpages/index.php?page=20040711225111152#cont

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/INDEX%20PAGE.HTM


http://kerrywaffles.net/reynolds.html

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-novak271.html

You just gotta like folks from Iowa...
http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com/KerryTales/KerryAmmo.htm




Warren "Bones" Bonesteel
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"Morning Coffee"
P. O. Box 1413
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http://morningcoffee.net/index.php




"The virtues of men are of more consequence to society
than their abilities, and for this reason, the heart
should be cultivated with more assiduity than
the head." -Noah Webster

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47 posted on 09/11/2004 3:41:20 PM PDT by wrbones (Bones)
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To: SandRat

A fox mediawatch talking head said this memo business was "turnabout" for the swift vets. The MSM believes they gave the swift vets a pass so now they are compensating by being unfair towards bush.

(a referee compensating for a bad call)

Of course this fox program started by saying bush only got a 3 point bounce...


48 posted on 09/11/2004 3:43:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
*YAWN*

Unbelievable.

I had no idea that John Kerry was a Vietnam Veteran. I didn't think he knew how to do anything except windsurf and catch a football with his eyes closed. Well just color me surprised.

</end of sarcasm>







 


 

 

49 posted on 09/11/2004 3:50:49 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Psychology: The art of turning stupidity into illness)
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To: Smartass
LOL!

"KERRY & MEDIA TO ATTACK BUSH"

And now we have some breaking news:

"Sun Rises in East. People aroused!"

:^D


50 posted on 09/11/2004 4:16:03 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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