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OPEN LETTER TO THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA: We are NOT Amateurs and we are going to kick your butts.

Posted on 09/11/2004 7:26:18 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 09/11/2004 9:23:55 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Pukin Dog

Liberate America from the occupation media! Viva La Revolucion!


101 posted on 09/11/2004 7:47:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime-Liberate America from the occupation media!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Pukin Dog,

I took notice many weeks ago when you wrote to the effect that John Kerry would be sorry he ever ran for Pres. by the time this is over.

How right you were.

On this solemn anniversary I thank God for Pres. Bush, for our brave Armed Forces, and for the beginning of the end of the SRM (State-Run Media), thanks in no small part to FreeRepublic.

From an infrequent poster but proud FR member.


102 posted on 09/11/2004 7:47:48 PM PDT by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: Pukin Dog

It was a good rant. I'm with you. We're all tired of the media bias. America deserves better than the MSM


103 posted on 09/11/2004 7:47:52 PM PDT by OhMike (He which hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart...we would not die in that man's company.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Shouldn't this be, "I’m Pukin Dog, and I approved this message."? LOL

BTW, nice work.

104 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:15 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey JohnJohn, I take Responsible Charge of my work, are you able to say the same of yours?)
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To: Pukin Dog

GO, PD, GO! Excellent! Are you going to send it to the MSM?

May I copy it and send it to my private email distribution? I'll give you credit (PD or do you want to give me your name?).

What's this about booing at the R convention???

Thanks again; this was simply awesome!

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105 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:15 PM PDT by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: Pukin Dog
The trends are in our favor. If you don’t wise up, we will kick your agenda-driven ass.

It's already too late for them, PD.

The networks and the rest of the "mainstream media" have had a monopoly on the dissemination of the news for so long that the emergence and dominance of the "new" media has not yet registered with them. Incredibly, they have failed to recognize that they are obsolete.

And maybe that is understandable.

For decades, Americans got their news after getting up from the dinner table and finding only three channels on their TVs, all spitting out the same news with the same liberal spin. The networks had a captive audience back then, and there was no alternative to their news, and certainly no dissent - - they were the only game in town. That same news was only regurgitated in the morning papers and the weekly news magazines.

It's no wonder they all believed they were invincible - - they were invincible.

But now that monopoly to which they became so accustomed has been brutally smashed to pieces by the "new" media - - talk radio, the internet (that includes us right here at Free Republic!), C-span, and 24-hour-cable news. It all came on them like a freight train and the liberal newsrooms don't know what to do. Their panic is palpable and the latest implosion at CBS ("forgery-gate") is a perfect example of that hysterical panic.

It's all over for them except for the crying.
Good riddance to bad garbage.

106 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:18 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: arasina; Peach
Thanks, guys. I'm glad everyone liked it. I was really just angry about the way that the media is playing the Bush 'landings' story.
107 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:19 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Bravo Dog - excellent rant!


108 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:21 PM PDT by Jaxgram
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To: liberty or death

I was fortunate to be able to attend the Free Republic picnic in Fresno today. And you know what? Someone said those exact words to the whole group. "God Bless FreeRepublic"


109 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:45 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Pukin Dog

You're like Neo in the phone booth!
Now fly, fly away!


110 posted on 09/11/2004 7:49:09 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: sargon
The internet is great, isn't it? The ability to voluntarily and collectively pool resources and gather knowledge, without having to depend on the MSM, is an amazing evolution in communication and individual empowerment. And free speech has never been more apparant or more potent. "We" ARE gonna kick their butts, but the fight will be long and arduous, IMHO...

Yup. bump

111 posted on 09/11/2004 7:49:40 PM PDT by JPJones ("We'll cross all our tee's and dot all our.....lower case j's")
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To: FairOpinion
I forget who, impuned the bloggers and internet posters the other day "just a bunch of guys in their bathrobes sitting at their computers".

Yeah, I saw that.

I sit around in my old flight jacket wishing I was young again. So there!

112 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:01 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

I even had Mr. Peach read it and I rarely do that. He loved it.

I think we should e-mail the entire thread to Rather and See BS.


113 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:25 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Pukin Dog; Howlin
Forgive the rant, please. Just venting.

No forgiveness needed, this is a great letter, and the icing on the cake, it is the truth.

Howlin started a thread two nights ago, and knowledgeable FReepers have proved you exactly right. We have them on the run, and they know it.!!

114 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:27 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Pukin Dog

best part .. the audience they are losing in droves is the audience that has and spends money ... advertisers need exactly the audience they are driving away .. and one day it will all cave in on them


115 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:46 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: trustandobey
As a victim of the Mainstreamrathers for over 30yrs and having found you feepers....... with this and rush and hannity and fox... I feel like fresh air for the first time in a long time.

My suggestion is to focus on rather and his mess up. Go after their national and local wallets..... they don't have any ethics any longer so this is about change and their wallets are full of potential change.

Media buyers are also the point of contact. There are 4 big firms in the USA and they do most of the advertising buying... they use the ratings system to set their rates.... they have millions to place adds with stations... locally and nationally..... BDB Needham, Tracey Locke, Richards Group, rp alpha media is one of the big dogs to get you guys started..

The way this works is the media buys are contracted by advertiser to place their adds on tv. The locals stations try to get more money for the same time ..... the media buyers have so much money to spend per quarter and cant exceed that and they also have a hard deck on the number of minutes for each section of time.. that is their contract.... so attacking the media buys about CBS during prime time would have an effect .... a big one.....
116 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:47 PM PDT by Gibtx (focus.........)
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To: Pukin Dog

OOORAH


117 posted on 09/11/2004 7:51:48 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Rome2000
Good analogy. Only this time the patriots are dressed in their pajamas and sitting on the sofa at home. What's being thrown overboard is ideas, not tea chests. But the ideas are lame and unworthy.

The first shot, heard 'round the world, has already been fired. They claim to be disciplined, the mightiest media army ever to take the field in the history of the world. They dismiss us as dull farmers, rebels and rabble, of no worth and limited talent.

They claim they will defeat us handily and drive us from the intellectual field of battle. The opposite is true. Our first great victory will be the downfall of Dan Rather. It'll be just like the first great victory of the American Revolution in the Battle of Saratoga.

General John Burgoyne ("Gentleman Johnny") was a man of limited talent but towering vanity. He attacked when he should not have, because he assumed that no mere Colonials could possibly defeat him. And in that arrogance lay the seeds of his defeat -- and ultimately the defeat of the entire British military establishment.

Parallels between Gentleman Johnny and Dan Rather are not coincidental, but instead are a very clear and objective lesson to anyone who has the perception to learn from experience.

P.S. The metaphysical death of Rather and possibly of the MSM following, are in my latest column -- first link below.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Time to Talk about the 2008 Election"

If you haven't already joined the anti-CFR effort, please click here.

118 posted on 09/11/2004 7:52:12 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Pukin Dog

BZ, Dog


119 posted on 09/11/2004 7:52:16 PM PDT by Diamondhead
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To: Pukin Dog; Jim Robinson

Jim, you should be very proud


120 posted on 09/11/2004 7:52:16 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: viaveritasvita
I would not know how to send it to the MSM, but I hope they read it here. You can send it anywhere. PD is just fine.
121 posted on 09/11/2004 7:52:38 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Nice rant PD.


122 posted on 09/11/2004 7:52:53 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Pukin Dog
That's some good "Puk'n" Dog! ;-)

Well done!

123 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:14 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Pukin Dog
Good rant. It needs a song. :)

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NOTE: it was quite difficult to make this track...do your best in singing it :)
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MIDI - THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN -- for those who haven't figured it out yet, simply go to the linked site and click on the appropriate MIDI...it will launch in your defaulted device, and you can hit BACK and go to the song to sing along

Danny Rather's my name...I really achieved some fame
But then with Peter and Tom...we all had gone down in flames

For many years we had spun the news
And we made sure we inserted our views
Our leftist pals all loved us so much
But it seems we got way too far out of touch

The night Old Media went down...all the right wingers were singing
Yes, the night Old Media went down...in boardrooms our hands we're wringing

They sang NA NA NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA NA

We were the shills for DemocRATs...our paychecks got very fat
We learned as Dylan said -- That wasn't where it was at

For many years we spun the news
And we made sure we inserted our views
Our leftist pals all loved us so much
But it seems that we had gotten way out of touch

The night Old Media went down...all the right wingers were singing
Yes, the night Old Media went down...in boardrooms our hands we're wringing

They sang NA NA NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA NA

FREEPERS had then 47'd us...we wondered what's the fuss
We had not seen it coming so...we got hit by a bus

For many years we had spun the news
And we made sure we inserted our views
Our leftist pals all loved us so much
But it seems we got way too far out of touch

The night Old Media went down...all the right wingers were singing
Yes, the night Old Media went down...in boardrooms our hands we're wringing

They sang NA NA NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA....NA NA NA NA NA

HA HA HA HA HA HA

The night Old Media went down...all the right wingers were singing
Yes, the night Old Media went down...in boardrooms our hands we're wringing

124 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:16 PM PDT by doug from upland (Dan Rather is a journalist like Michael Moore is a pole vaulter.)
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To: Brilliant
Watching that interview you really got a feel for how extreme these guys are.

Joe Scarborough had Benie Goldberg (author of "Bias") on last night and this story was right up his alley. He said the Taliban had more diversity than CBS. Almost man for man they're liberal he said. Seems to know what he's talking about.

125 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:20 PM PDT by Missouri (Deport Te-rah-za)
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To: Pukin Dog
What a GREAT letter!!!

You managed to put my thoughts into print and for that alone I'm grateful.

My letters (not email which is often ignored) will go out to Dan's sponsors tomorrow. Meanwhile, keep up the good work!

126 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:38 PM PDT by albee (yes!!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Since we are addressing this to the Main Stream Media I think I will add a piece of advice.

You are not helping the Democrats as much as you think. By giving the left a pass on everything, you make it too easy for them. They do not need, as the conservative side does, to hone its argument, or to compromise when needed.

By giving them a pass, the worse in human nature is encouraged (think Ted Kennedy, and ask yourself are you really proud he is a elder statesman in the Democratic Party).

By giving them a pass, when they make a small mistake, they are not forced to back up and rethink their position; they blindly keep going down the wrong road.

By favoring one side of any argument you dilute your own power. We already know where CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, New York Times, Newsweek, and so on stands on any public issue. So when you write something, what ever effect it would have had is lessen since those that agree with you will applaud while those that disagree with you will either never read (or hear it) or if they do will ignore it.

Those of us on the right do not want you on “our side”. We want news minus the agenda. We would like our view presented without the bias that paints us all as racist or Nazis.

I have news for you, FOX news is NOT conservative, they are just so far right of you, you think they are.

You want to win back your audience and readers, try keeping the editorial on the editorial pages, and try going after both sides with equal zeal, and try to remember it is not your jobs to remake society. If you want to remake society, go into politics.


127 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:38 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Pukin Dog

Very eloquent and stirring. Nails it.


128 posted on 09/11/2004 7:53:57 PM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Brave New World!

like the old New Yorker cartoon, "no one knows your a Pukin Dog on the Internet."

Hail to the King Baby.

129 posted on 09/11/2004 7:54:00 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Pukin Dog

The CBS exec. who was on Brit Humes show(hosted by Tony Snow) he said a bunch of guys in their pajamas.


130 posted on 09/11/2004 7:54:17 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: lionstar

Rocket scientists and trappers weren't specifically mentioned,so it's easy to understand that there just wasn't enough space to mention filmmakers. ;)


131 posted on 09/11/2004 7:54:38 PM PDT by Free Trapper (Terrorism is the Black Heart of Islam,not the fringe!)
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To: Pukin Dog
You should have seen the sad looks and witnessed the depression Friday morning when I gave the news anchors and talk show producers where I work the memogate scandal story!

Of course I made sure to include the famous "post47" and relevant FR mentions in NYPost and such.

For years I've used FR as at elast a starting point to search for breaking stories if not as an out and out source. It really bugs 'em when the net in general and FR specifically beats everybody on stories.

Another memorable one was the capture of the DC snipers. IIRC a FReeper living in a house overlooking hte interestae and rest area where it went down gave us the head's up. It was GREAT, nad just one of mnay such instances.

Even with all that though my co-workers at the radio stations where I work - mostly ratz and RINOS BTW - have discounted FR as just another website rumor mill at best, a radical right wing hate group at worst.

This story and the attribution to FR really set 'em back on their heels! Never, EVER have they become so quiet, so intimidated...so deeply saddened.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!

prisoner6 PRICELESS!

132 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:26 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Hear hear!

"On Free Republic alone, there are experts in many fields. We have writers, poets, engineers, aviators, artists, journalists(they keep that on the down-low), historians, teachers, politicians, current and former members of all services of the military, who actually know what they are talking about without having a script (or DNC talking points) shoved in their face."

Hey, wait... what about Lawyers?!?!

:)


133 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:27 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I thought Jim Pinkerton had a decent insight on this phenomenon. He compared the blogosphere approach to news reportage to Linux and the open source movement.


134 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:55 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: swilhelm73
It's fairly amazing that the 'net has "correspondents" in almost all geographic locations so eyewitness reports can be "published" in real time. Also we get multiple takes many times that produces a much broader rendering of what actually happened.
135 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:15 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Of course, the next step is marching on their studios/offices...


136 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:21 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Budge; Pukin Dog; rintense; MJY1288; RedBloodedAmerican; twyn1; kitkat; justshe; ladyinred; ...
Sorry, but we are here, and we are not going anywhere.

You Got That Right!!!

137 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Pukin Dog

What's "network news"?


138 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:55 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I have news for you, FOX news is NOT conservative, they are just so far right of you, you think they are.

I could say a lot, but I'll just respond to this, as I don't recall calling Fox News 'conservative'. I watch Fox because they are balanced, with their own fair share of liberals and conservatives. I only ask that the MSM share both sides of an argument, and that they do it fairly.

139 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:06 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

As a former journalist who had to go into politics because I was blackballed by liberal puke editors, I appreciated your RANT!

Also... tonight on Fox Media Watch, Jim Pinkerton pointed out that bloggers and conservative internet junkies use "MTM" as a derisive term. (By the way, I'm in my pajamas too!)


140 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:11 PM PDT by rabidbushie (John Kerry, John Edwards, and Michael Moore are HATEriots, not patriots.)
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To: Pukin Dog

woohoo Wish I'da said that!!!


141 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:21 PM PDT by ShugahPop
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To: Pukin Dog

You nailed it. I love the Free Republic because of the people who post here. I am amazed by the number of well-written and informed posts by people from all backgrounds and walks of life. This website is truly a town hall meeting that our Founding Fathers would endorse. And yes, the old media news organizations are going into the dustbin of history because of their dishonest agendas. I'd like to see the Dems and their party hacks in the old media explain honestly why being in the National Guard is more offensive than, say, some senators with notorious pasts like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd; why do the Dems support a New Jersey governor who hired a foreigner to a homeland security position when his only qualifications are X-rated; why they endorsed Bill Clinton over Bush senior and Bob Dole; why, if Kerry's Vietnam record made him a better leader than Bush does Kerry act like a wet noodle today; why they, the old media, are better judges of Bush as commander of chief than the soldiers in the military who are re-enlisting at a very high rate. There, I had my rant.


142 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:24 PM PDT by Elmer Gantry
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To: Pukin Dog
Not all of the MSM is in the tank. From ABC's the Note I think they are responding, not as fast as we would like, but take a look below. I still hope to see a breathless mob of reporters & cameramen banging on the door of CBS ala 60 minutes. Shoving microphones in peoples faces.

Journalists play Gil Grissom: the documents:

It's important to point out from the outset that not a single piece of hard evidence has been uncovered that categorically proves these documents were forgeries.

Still, ABC News consulted yesterday with more than a half dozen top forensic document experts, including William Flynn, considered one of the best in the world.

Flynn and another leading expert agreed on several points, namely that the proportional spaced Times Roman font does not appear to have been the result of available technology in 1972 and 1973. They questioned the superscripts, the spacing between lines (13 points separated each line, which, again, was not a technology that was available in typewriters back then.). Then there's the apostrophe, which is curled to the left in one of the documents — not something typewriters did with their apostrophes.

Richard Polt, a philosophy professor in Ohio and an amateur typewriter enthusiast, said he was 99 percent certain that no typewriter he knew of could have made the typed impressions that cleanly.

And two members of Killian's family (who certainly could have agendas of their own) told ABC News that they had suspicions.

Marjorie Connell, Killian's wife at the time, said she "just can't believe these are his words." Mrs. Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman." She used the words "appalling," "sick" and "angry" to describe her feelings about Killian's name was "being battled back and forth on television."

She made it clear that Lt Col Killian was a fan of Bush: "I know for a fact that this young man as a lt was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the guard and was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

She also mentioned her late husband was no typist. "He would not have typed because he did not type." When Killian did take notes his wife said he usually wrote on whatever scrap of paper was handy but "he was a person who did not take copious notes he carried everything in his mind." For more, see: LINK

Deb Orin and Ian Bishop of the New York Post key off of the radio interview with Mrs. Connell and a document expert to point to potential forgery. LINK

The New York Daily News reports forensic scientist Sandra Ramsey Lines says the superscript in the Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's notes are evidence of forgery. LINK

CBS News sent reporters a previously validated document last night that does appear to contain a superscripted "th," which confounds some experts we spoke with, including Katherine Koppenhaver, who said she is 75 percent certain even still that the new documents are forgeries.

The New York Times ' Seeyle and Rutenberg were careful to ask the political affiliation of their experts, which we think is a good idea. LINK

"Philip Bouffard, a forensic document specialist from Ohio who created a commonly used database of at least 3,000 old type fonts, said he had suspicions as well. 'I found nothing like this in any of my typewriter specimens,' said Dr. Bouffard, a Democrat. He also said the fonts were "certainly consistent with what I see in Times Roman," the commonly used Microsoft Word font. However, Dr. Bouffard said, a colleague had called his attention to similarities between the font in the memos and that of the IBM Selectric Composer of the early 1970's. But he said it would be unusual for Mr. Bush's commanding officer to have had the IBM machine because of its large size."

The Los Angeles Times talked to Killian's daughter: "Nancy Killian Rodriguez said only that her father, who died in 1984, had 'admired George Bush and was proud of the fact that he pinned his [flying] wings on him.'"

143 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:45 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Great Rant!! And soooo true! I think the MSM's heads are still ringing at how fast they got slapped on the false "Boo's" story the AP filed.

The speed with which these forged memos came to light with such detailed analysis has them dazed and in panic at the same time.

I'm loving it...


144 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:58 PM PDT by ShuShu
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To: Pukin Dog

Decent read. Too long. bump anyway


145 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:04 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Pukin Dog

We need a 'pukin dog' logo of a dog pukin on a TV set..


146 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:06 PM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Pukin Dog

Home run!


147 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:30 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Pukin Dog

As a former journalist who had to go into politics because I was blackballed by liberal puke editors, I appreciated your RANT!

Also... tonight on Fox Media Watch, Jim Pinkerton pointed out that bloggers and conservative internet junkies use "MTM" as a derisive term. (By the way, I'm in my pajamas too!)


148 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:39 PM PDT by rabidbushie (John Kerry, John Edwards, and Michael Moore are HATEriots, not patriots.)
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To: Pukin Dog

To the liberal MSM:

Personally, I think I have THE best screen name at FR -- Need a New Press. I've waited 6 long years to see something like this happen to you. Your lies and liberal bias will no longer be tolerated by the masses. Your power to control public opinion is GONE. Over. Get used to it. It's only going to get worse for you.


And BTW, Dan Blather... Have I ever mentioned that I absolutely LOVE to see you squirm?


149 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:45 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: Pukin Dog

Great post, Pukin. Thank you for passionately speaking my mind. barset


150 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:55 PM PDT by Barset
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