Posted on 09/12/2004 1:21:48 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
Edited on 09/12/2004 8:39:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Over at the liberal grassroots site IndyMedia, Pablo Kristophoros says that the disputed memos cited by CBS are in the book.
"The full details of George Bush's military service are in the new book by Kitty Kelley by the good offices of the Texas Veterans for Truth. This group has offered a large monetary reward for anyone who served in the Alabama Air National Guard with George W. Bush, but there have been no takers. There is a wealth of details in the 736-page book, and one of the over 800 sources is the Texas Veterans for Truth. Killian's memos and other information are there. The CBS memos are real and the proof is in the details."
In a memo to CBS affiliates last week which RatherBiased.com has obtained, the network said the disputed documents "were provided by unimpeachable sources."
In a report last week, the conservative magazine The American Spectator said that CBS's documents were possibly given to it by the Democratic National Committee.
Meanwhile in the most recent edition of Newsweek, reporters Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff claim that one of CBS's main sources is a former TANG officer:
"Where did the documents come from? CBS won't say. But the trail pieced together by Newsweek shows that in a sulfurous season like this one, the difference between obscurity and power is small, and anyone can get a hearing. A principal source for CBS's story was Bill Burkett, a disgruntled former Guard officer who lives in Baird, Texas, who says he was present at Guard headquarters in Austin in 1997, when a top aide to the then Governor Bush ordered records sanitized to protect the Boss. Other Guard officials disputed Burkett's account, and the Bush aide involved, Joe Allbaugh, called it 'absolute garbage.' Burkett may have a motive to make trouble for the powers that be. In 1998, he grew gravely ill on a Guard mission to Panama, causing him to be hospitalized, and he suffered two nervous breakdowns. He unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses.
"Still, in theory, Burkett may have had access to any Guard records that, in a friend's words, 'didn't make it to the shredder.' Fellow officers say he wasn't a crank, but rather a stickler for proper procedure--a classic whistle-blower type. Burkett was impressive enough to cause CBS producer Mary Mapes to fly to Texas to interview him. "
Some Democrats are saying that the whole thing is a Republican setup. The Kerry campaign says it did not have anything to do with the documents.
Of course, with the book coming out on Tuesday and CBS remaining mum (for now) on who its sources were, only time will tell who is correct.
Hat tip: Templar Pundit
and says that the disputed Killian memos, cited by Dan Rather, are also in the book.
Connecting some dots here;
A dot.
It's all turning to ashes before them. The mainstream media is exposed as a bunch of frauds and liberal propagandists, the wheels have come off the Kerry campaign, the New Media is ascendant.
Much of it thanks to FR. ;)
Regards, Ivan
Keep it up! Kudos.
Yea .. I see the dots
BTW ... this is the same book that NBC and Katie will be doing interviews about for 3 straight days??
The DNC is reported to have received the forged documents about 6 weeks before they were given to the Kerry campaign .. who then gave them to CBS.
CBS would consider stuff from Kitty Kelly to be valid ..??
This is very interesting .. very interesting indeed.
Another one bites the dust. Remember all roads lead to the DNC. These documents passed hand to hand with everyone complicit in using them to influence the election. They weren't duped. They knew they were forgeries. McAwful showed consciousness of their nature as soon as the truth started to break. He stupidly accused Carl Rove "of planting" them. I think Rather was just forced to jump the gun by Kerry himself in panic over the SBVT and his drop in the polls. These weren't supposed to come out so soon and they shouldn't have been posted as PDF's! No one should be that dumb!
They must have. Unless I've missed something, no one but a coterie of rats knew about the memos before the 60 Minutes hit piece.
Does someone have a link about the documents having been on tompaine.com?
Liberal blogger Pablo Kristophoros of IndyMedia was given a preview copy of the book by the publisher,
None other than Nathan Wilcox, a professional campaigner for exclusively partisan Democrat causes. Check him out here!!
Dan Rather - the gift that keeps on giving
Also, the New York Daily News actually got a review copy of the book, and described the book like this:
The new Kitty Kelley book that has the Bush campaign's underwear in a bunch is more catty than explosive.
It does claim that President Bush snorted cocaine at Camp David. It does repeat rumors that he arranged an illegal abortion for an ex-girlfriend. And it does accuse First Lady Laura Bush of once being a pothead.
But the sourcing for these accusations is thin and there are no other big surprises in Kelley's much anticipated "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty."
Also, the Daily News adds this:
Kelley offers no new insights into Bush's controversial stint in the Texas Air National Guard.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/230975p-198371c.html
Anyhow, forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but I think you should take your story down. The blogger you're quoting is simply not credible, for many reasons. For one thing, if the book contained anything close to the other stuff he's claiming, it would be in this article. But it's not, and the Daily News article specifically mentions that "Kelley offers no new insights into Bush's controversial stint in the Texas Air National Guard." So this is a dot I don't think can be connected.
Actually, I've heard they have cancelled everything except Tuesday. IIRC somebody said they had seen the new TV guide and Kelly is only scheduled for one day.
He he he he!!
It's a liberal site, of course.
On a thread yesterday, several posters researched TV listings for next week. One listing showed Kitty Kelly on Today only on Tuesday (which another poster said was the day Ivan was expected to make landfall in the US). Another listing didn't show her at all.
I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Well we all know that Bill Clinton couldn't be "impeached".
Of course, I am not necessarily saying that they are correct. Newseek just ran a speculation about the source of the documents, and we are doing so as well.
Heads have to roll over this much as they did at the Mirror in England when fake photos of "prisoner abuse" were published (British soldiers urinating on men).
This guy worked for Martin Frost .. you can't get much more partisan than that.
So web-based news sites are "good" according to the liberal establishment except when they are conservative news sites?
No, they haven't been, and the indymedia guy never directly claims to have received a review copy of the book. Please read the Daily News article I posted a link for -- most of the stuff that indymedia is claiming is in the book is *not* even mentioned in that article. And that article also specifically adds that there's nothing new in the Guard stuff -- if it quoted from those memos, it would have been mentioned. Besides, Texas Veterans for Truth just formed in the past week or two; how could they possibly be listed as a source for the book when they didn't exist when the book was written?
I want to see Dan Rather brought down as much as you do, but this indymedia source is not credible; all he's doing is recycling unproven rumors floating around on the internet.
Well .. don't tell Bob Barr because he's convinced Clinton was impeached.
I'm sorry to be a pain on this, but this guy is not credible. The book will be out on Tuesday -- we will know soon enough if those memos are in the book. But I don't think they are, if the Daily News article is of any indication, and I don't think it does our side any good to regurgitate rumors that have not been proven.
Don't do that to me at this time of night!
God Bless
Stay Strong,
Fuzzy122
"Some"........I saw "some".......LOL.
Kelley's produced yet another big, fat, full of lies and smears dud. Her tv persona is RATHER clever, though. Perky, smiles all around, innocent little girl voice. Why she'd never write anything libelous. No lies would ever pass through those pink rosebud lips.(Except for those stuffed in her other books.) Thoroughly discredited and in the gutter where she belongs.
The abbreviation OETR in the 18 AUG 73 memo looks like a blood trail to track down the source of these forgeries and those involved in the fraud scheme. It should be OER (officer efficiency report). OETR wasn't listed at a site for military abbreviations. A google search for OETR and Texas Air National Guard but not Bush showed zero results. Find the first documented usage of OETR and you should be pretty close to the source of the documents.
I'm still seeing them and I hope this posts makes sense cause I can't see what I'm typing
Gawd that hurt my eyes .. LOL
Goodnight!
Beam me up, Scotty!
Stay Strong,
Fuzzy122
"in theory, Burkett may have had access to any Guard records that, in a friend's words, 'didn't make it to the shredder.'"
Yes, we incorrectly stated that he had also received an advanced copy of the book.
I appreciate your concerns.
Only time will tell.
Sparkling water out my nose! Sheez!
That's my point, and thanks for changing your site's info. If the book contains what this indymedia clown claims, there's no problem in running those allegations about the memo. But I'm just not buying it yet, simply because if even half those other allegations he regurgitated were in the book, it would have made the Daily News article about it. Newsweek can get away with the document speculation, but our side can't. It's a double standard, but that's the way it is, as Walter Cronkite would say.
I think it is politically insensitive to refer to dots as either black or white. ;-)
The legal profession looks forward to many happy billing hours.
The only thing we would've changed is the statement that the writer received an advanced copy.
Over at the liberal grassroots site IndyMedia, Pablo Kristophoros says that the disputed memos cited by CBS are in the book.
"The full details of George Bush's military service are in the new book by Kitty Kelley by the good offices of the Texas Veterans for Truth. This group has offered a large monetary reward for anyone who served in the Alabama Air National Guard with George W. Bush, but there have been no takers. There is a wealth of details in the 736-page book, and one of the over 800 sources is the Texas Veterans for Truth. Killian's memos and other information are there. The CBS memos are real and the proof is in the details."
In a memo to CBS affiliates last week which RatherBiased.com has obtained, the network said the disputed documents "were provided by unimpeachable sources."
In a report last week, the conservative magazine The American Spectator said that CBS's documents were possibly given to it by the Democratic National Committee.
Meanwhile in the most recent edition of Newsweek, reporters Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff claim that one of CBS's main sources is a former TANG officer:
"Where did the documents come from? CBS won't say. But the trail pieced together by Newsweek shows that in a sulfurous season like this one, the difference between obscurity and power is small, and anyone can get a hearing. A principal source for CBS's story was Bill Burkett, a disgruntled former Guard officer who lives in Baird, Texas, who says he was present at Guard headquarters in Austin in 1997, when a top aide to the then Governor Bush ordered records sanitized to protect the Boss. Other Guard officials disputed Burkett's account, and the Bush aide involved, Joe Allbaugh, called it 'absolute garbage.' Burkett may have a motive to make trouble for the powers that be. In 1998, he grew gravely ill on a Guard mission to Panama, causing him to be hospitalized, and he suffered two nervous breakdowns. He unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses.
"Still, in theory, Burkett may have had access to any Guard records that, in a friend's words, 'didn't make it to the shredder.' Fellow officers say he wasn't a crank, but rather a stickler for proper procedure--a classic whistle-blower type. Burkett was impressive enough to cause CBS producer Mary Mapes to fly to Texas to interview him. "
Some Democrats are saying that the whole thing is a Republican setup. The Kerry campaign says it did not have anything to do with the documents.
Of course, with the book coming out on Tuesday and CBS remaining mum (for now) on who its sources were, only time will tell who is correct.
Hat tip: Templar Pundit
Remember the MSM meeting a month or so ago, where they discussed how to stategery the newshour? What story to lead with, what would come next, etc.. from August to Nov. And all in advance. How do you do that unless you know beforehand what's about to happen...what lies are about to be revealed and when. The American public has been played like a violin by the MSM for years, but this election cycle was the worst since the guilty parties are so desperate to get Kerry in, they've convinced themselves nobody will stand up and say, 'Hey, You're Lying!' Now they have to depend on dead folks votes. Somebody call Chicago and Florida to buy extra shovels.
Maybe Kelley's publisher will pull the book.
That article was meant to be a sarcastic joke from the ABC News political team.
That means that the book is already discredited!
These liberals need to stop buying their dirty tricks from the "Acme Company". (The one that Wiley Coyote mail-orders his stuff from.) Everything keeps blowing up in their faces.
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