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LA TIMES: No Disputing It: Blogs Are Major Players (FreeRepublic.Com & Buckhead Mentioned!)
The LA Times ^ | Sept. 12, 2004 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 09/12/2004 2:43:11 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

These days, CBS News anchor Dan Rather and his colleagues at the network's magazine program "60 Minutes II" are enduring an unusual wave of second-guessing by some of the public and fellow journalists.

For that, they can thank "Buckhead."

It was a late-night blog posting by this mystery Netizen that first questioned the validity of documents Rather cited Wednesday as proof that George W. Bush did not fulfill his National Guard duty more than 30 years ago.

Buckhead refuses to further identify himself, other than dropping hints that he is a male who lives on the East Coast — preferring to proclaim that the scramble to verify the contentions in his posting marks an extraordinary achievement for a medium that has operated more as an underground world of ideological venting than a source of legitimate news.

But Buckhead is vehement about one thing: He acted alone when he posted, to the conservative website FreeRepublic.com, what was widely believed to be the first allegation that the CBS report relied on documents that could have been forged.

"Absolutely, positively, on my own, sitting at my computer in my bedroom just before midnight — but not in my pajamas," he wrote in an e-mail exchange with The Times. "But once I posted the comment to Free Republic I was no longer working alone, and that is the real point of the story about the story about the story."

That story began Wednesday, 19 minutes after the "60 Minutes II" broadcast began, when another FreeRepublic poster, TankerKC, noted that the documents were "not in the style that we used when I came into the USAF…. Can we get a copy of those memos?"

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Free Republic; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; forgery; killian; mediawingofthednc; msm; rathergate
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To: Howlin

LOL ..


51 posted on 09/12/2004 3:21:59 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Howlin

Way to go, Howlin! You're famous! Woohoooo! Fantastic job!


52 posted on 09/12/2004 3:22:16 AM PDT by bd476
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To: West Coast Conservative
Suddenly, the story line shifted from the question Democrats had been trying to ask — whether Bush received special treatment in the Guard — to whether a network long detested by conservatives had been duped in its quest to air a report critical of the president in the midst of the reelection campaign.

Actually, the question is whether Gunga Dan & friends deliberately tried to smear the president by passing out known fraudulent documents.

"It was amazing Thursday to watch the documents story go from FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy,

Right-wing lunatics. That would be us.

"The mainstream press is having to follow them," said Jeffrey Seglin, a professor at Emerson College in Boston. "The fear I have is: How do you know who's doing the Web logs?

How do we know who's teaching at Emerson College or writing political commentary at the Times?

53 posted on 09/12/2004 3:22:26 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: leadpenny
Repost:


There is so much information OUT THERE, I decided to put up the OFFICIAL version, rather than let bloggers misconstrue what actually happened.

This is the OFFICIAL timeline:

I put this thread up for the 60 Minutes show.

Live Thread: Ben Barnes and CBS Attempt Another Bush Smear (60 Minutes) at 7:39:18 PM EDT.


At 8:19:00 PM EDT TankerKC posted this:

To: Howlin
WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

They are not in the style that we used when I came in to the USAF. They looked like the style and format we started using about 12 years ago (1992). Our signature blocks were left justified, now they are rigth of center...like the ones they just showed.

Can we get a copy of those memos?

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Howlin
Every damned "witness" is now dead. I want to see an analysis of those new papers. They are all type written so it should be possible to see if it was written on a Government Issue typewriter of that era. This stinks like week old fish.
131 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:06 PM EDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: cyncooper; TomGuy; hole_n_one

Can some of you guys in the later time zones WATCH this interview and get a GOOD LOOK at those docuemtns.....how they were typed, where the signature was.....that kind of thing?

A screen grab would be great!

Who else does screen captures?

197 posted on 09/08/2004 8:44:13 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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That thread continued along for a bit with people commenting on the documents and the show.


Then CBS put the documents up on their web site:


To: TC Rider; Mo1; All; cyncooper

HERE THEY ARE:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

Scroll down on the left!!!!!!

363 posted on 09/08/2004 10:38:38 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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Then Pikamax put up this thread:

Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard


To which Buckhead posted the shot heard round the world:


To: Howlin

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead
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After all the questions that arose from everybody on the forum, I put this thread up:


THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating


As Buckhead said on another thread, many, many Freepers were involved.

54 posted on 09/12/2004 3:23:14 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: bd476

Not me; my name got left out of this one, thank goodness. I do NOT need anymore email!


55 posted on 09/12/2004 3:23:48 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Mo1
right-wing lunacy?? amateurs ?? Gee .. looks like they just insulted us

LOL! There goes some coffee.

Insults, I tell you.

56 posted on 09/12/2004 3:24:00 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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Hey, L.A.(M.E.) Times ... lookie here:

OPEN LETTER TO THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA: We are not amateurs and we are going to kick your butts.

57 posted on 09/12/2004 3:24:06 AM PDT by Henry Krinkle
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To: Buckhead; TankerKC; Howlin

Congratulations to all three of you! Headlines for FR, and mention of you three individually - high fives all around! We've even merited name-calling by some Demogoon! Fantastic job!


58 posted on 09/12/2004 3:25:04 AM PDT by bd476
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To: airborne; TankerKC; Buckhead
But apparently the entire thing was cooked up by a couple of amateurs on Free Republic.

Okay, now I'm officialy pi$$ed.

That's almost as bad as Rather saying we are partisan political operatives and the other CBS flunky adding "in pajamas."

59 posted on 09/12/2004 3:25:49 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Some in the MSM must cringe when they see that time-line.


60 posted on 09/12/2004 3:27:37 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Howlin

Don't you just love how they treat their customers?! ROFLOL!
Retailing 101...the customer is always right (even if you have to bite a hole in your tongue).


61 posted on 09/12/2004 3:28:10 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mo1
Gee .. looks like they just insulted us

Indeed!

Mouth-breathing knuckle draggers is the accepted form.

We demand satisfaction.

62 posted on 09/12/2004 3:28:41 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: zarf

Yeah, he meant to say the whole thing was UNRAVELED by Freepers, I wonder if he knows who it is that "cooked [it] up".


63 posted on 09/12/2004 3:29:12 AM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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Hey, L.A.(M.E.) Times ... how about the real story on why you sought to shut FreeRepublic.com down (and FAILED) during the Clinton years ...

Oh, nevermind, we're writing the history books now. Night night.

64 posted on 09/12/2004 3:29:47 AM PDT by Henry Krinkle
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To: beyond the sea
Insults, I tell you

And they aren't very good at that either

I've been insulted better then that *L*

65 posted on 09/12/2004 3:30:28 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: kcvl; zarf
They don't understand that we are sick of them!

Sick? I'd say we are nauseated, disgusted, offended, provoked, appalled, tormented, agonized, and way too aggravated.

66 posted on 09/12/2004 3:30:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: kcvl
They think we are all a bunch of backward hicks

You forgot to add "in our pajamas", LOL!

Did you see the CBS guy on O'Reilly, saying CBS had checks and balances and that's why we should trust their stories, but the internet group sat at their computers "in their pajamas."

67 posted on 09/12/2004 3:31:20 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howlin; TankerKC; Buckhead

If you guys are amateurs, what does that make the MSM? Pond scum!


68 posted on 09/12/2004 3:31:21 AM PDT by airborne (2/504 PIR - 'Devils In Baggy Pants')
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To: Dane
If anything they should be mad at Al Gore for inventing the internet.

LOL! There goes some more coffee.

69 posted on 09/12/2004 3:31:50 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: kcvl
>"And what happens when this stuff gets into the mainstream, and it eventually turns out that the '60 Minutes' documents were perfectly legitimate..."

The same thing that happens everyday when stuff gets into the mainstream media that aren't true. As if everything they print is factual.

They said legitimate. Which in Libland doesn't necessarily mean factual1.

1. see Juan Williams re: "discuss the serious nature of the charge, not the validity of the documents." (paraphrased)

70 posted on 09/12/2004 3:32:31 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Howlin
I saw the first one and am just now getting around to just to writing a
CONGRATULATIONS HOWLIN!!!!!

71 posted on 09/12/2004 3:32:39 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Henry Krinkle

For somebody who's only been here 4 days, you sure know a lot about FR's history.


72 posted on 09/12/2004 3:33:18 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: dawn53
They fail to recognize the significance of a diverse group of citizens with varying skills, connected in "realtime" with the power of the internet at their disposal.

This is the way of "Open Source News Gathering".... Free Republic Rules!!!!

73 posted on 09/12/2004 3:33:52 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Howlin

Ehhhh, never mind the ignorant and illiterate, Howlin. They're shills for the Demogoons© - so what else is new? :)


74 posted on 09/12/2004 3:37:58 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Howlin

You should have at least got honorable mention.


75 posted on 09/12/2004 3:38:07 AM PDT by marty60
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To: kcvl
Thanks for bugmenot.com. It worked, and book-marked it for future use. Thanks!
76 posted on 09/12/2004 3:38:55 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: dawn53
Yes, I did see that. My husband said, they must be talking about you, as I threw my shoe across the room at him. lol! When I get home from work, errands, shopping, etc., I get COMFORTABLE. What can I say?!
77 posted on 09/12/2004 3:39:02 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: dawn53; kcvl; Mo1

78 posted on 09/12/2004 3:39:10 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin
That's almost as bad as Rather saying we are partisan political operatives and the other CBS flunky adding "in pajamas."

That's a step up from 'right-wing lunatic'. And besides, I'm in my boxers. (What are you wearing?)

79 posted on 09/12/2004 3:39:51 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
The mainstream press is having to follow them," said Jeffrey Seglin, a professor at Emerson College in Boston. "The fear I have is: How do you know who's doing the Web logs?

And how can we trust the un-named sources used by journinihilists?

80 posted on 09/12/2004 3:40:29 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: dread78645

None of your damn business.........LOL.

But it did come from L.L. Bean!


81 posted on 09/12/2004 3:42:12 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Dick Vomer

This is interesting to me.

CBS is still standing by their story.

But because of all the doubts about the docs, and many in the MSM now alluding to the FACT that they are forgeries, the "party line" is changing.

First McAuliffe stood with CBS.

Then he blamed Rove.

And now according to the LATimes, Buckhead is Rove.

Gotta love their silly little tin foil hatted heads, LOL!


82 posted on 09/12/2004 3:43:56 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howlin
ROFLOL! Well yes, that does look something like me. And WHAT is wrong with that?! lol!

I look better in my jammies than most of them do in their street clothes. Thank you very much. lol!
83 posted on 09/12/2004 3:44:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: West Coast Conservative
Buckhead ....... — preferring to proclaim that the scramble to verify the contentions in his posting marks an extraordinary achievement for a medium that has operated more as an underground world of ideological venting than a source of legitimate news.

.......... "But once I posted the comment to Free Republic I was no longer working alone." Truer words were never said!

Excellent!

84 posted on 09/12/2004 3:44:26 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: shezza
OLD MEDIA:

Don't Fear the FREEPER!!!

85 posted on 09/12/2004 3:44:43 AM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: kcvl

I wonder if Pella has a window like that.


86 posted on 09/12/2004 3:45:40 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

ALL YOUR MSM
ARE BELONG
TO US.


87 posted on 09/12/2004 3:46:47 AM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: Howlin

About the picture...I don't think all Freepers wear long pajamas...maybe we should take a poll for CBS about what kind of pajamas we wear.

But I do have one thing in common with the guy in the picture...that looks like my Farberware percolator on the counter.


88 posted on 09/12/2004 3:49:05 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howlin; leadpenny

Somebody may be making a movie about this some day!


89 posted on 09/12/2004 3:49:45 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: beyond the sea

Yeah, probably Michael Moore, LOL!


90 posted on 09/12/2004 3:50:28 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howlin
That's almost as bad as Rather saying we are partisan political operatives and the other CBS flunky adding "in pajamas."

Those comments almost knocked me on the floor with laughter when I first heard them spoken. LOL!

91 posted on 09/12/2004 3:52:11 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: Howlin
If they don't already I'm sure it's in process. Did you see HGTV's new products show the other night? They had television screens and speakers installed in windows and mirrors. You couldn't tell they were there until you turned them on. Fascinating merchandise.

I'm working on blueprints for a home addition with a media room included once I get finished with the kitchen and den remodeling prints. I hope some of those new goodies are ready by the time I am. lol!
92 posted on 09/12/2004 3:52:45 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: dawn53
Did you see the CBS guy on O'Reilly, saying CBS had checks and balances

I saw that smooth liar from CBS. He was speaking to Tony Snow, but Tony was too much of a gentleman to shut him down. I hate those lying b*stards at SeeBS.

93 posted on 09/12/2004 3:54:58 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: Dick Vomer
Open Source News Gathering

I like that. Here we are at the center of the storm, a bunch of right wing lunatics in our pajamas just doing a little Open Source News Gathering.

Who is designing the Official Freeper Jammers?
94 posted on 09/12/2004 3:55:48 AM PDT by aloysius89 (Kerry lives in kuckuckwolkensheim. And so does Dan Rather.)
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To: TheGeezer
No now they want to know who is on FR. Any fool can tell that FR has extrememly intelligent talented people lurking here. Everyone loves a good mystery, and if you have the talent to solve it, your going to use it.

So with that in mind, the idiot media class, can't stand that people on their computers can verify, verify verify, their stories. The current media is lazy. Funny as I get older, I find it amazing how little they know of history.

95 posted on 09/12/2004 3:56:02 AM PDT by marty60
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To: dawn53
I wonder how many other news items have been first reported on Free Republic.

Reading back through some of the original 9/11 threads yesterday, the name Osama bin Laden appeared only a couple of minutes after the second plane hit the WTC. FReepers are savvy, intelligent, observant and amazing.

96 posted on 09/12/2004 3:56:32 AM PDT by shezza
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To: beyond the sea

What did you expect from Tony Snow. Rush had to can his butt, because he infuriated Rush's listeners with his mealy mouth lefty pandering.


97 posted on 09/12/2004 3:57:45 AM PDT by marty60
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To: stands2reason

That is CLASSIC!


98 posted on 09/12/2004 3:58:08 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: dawn53
Yeah, probably Michael Moore, LOL!

LOL! There goes some more coffee!

99 posted on 09/12/2004 3:59:19 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: beyond the sea
Correction:

That should the REAL, the ACTUAL, the OFFICIAL,
Tum-te-te-tum-dum

Freeper Partisan Political Pajamas

*with optional coffee proof bib for those LOL moments.
100 posted on 09/12/2004 4:01:51 AM PDT by aloysius89 (Kerry lives in kuckuckwolkensheim. And so does Dan Rather.)
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