What Dan will be wearing when he finally gets the story right.
(Thanks to Michael Pollard)
Posted on 09/12/2004 9:39:44 AM PDT by Checkers
*Lt Col Killian didn't type;
*Lt Col Killian's family says he did not maintain such records;
*Guard regulations prohibited the maintenance of such records;
*General Bobby Hodges didn't vouch for the docs as CBS said he would;
*Colonel Buck Staudt --cited in the memos as pushing Killian to "sugarcoat" a Bush evaluation-- had retired more than a year before the meo was allegedly written;
*Bloggers have been overwhelmed with e-mails from active duty and retire dmilitary who scoff at the form of the memos;
*Typewriters with proportional spacing were rare in '72/3;
*Typewriters with superscripting capabilites were rare in '72/3;
*Typewriters with perfect centering ability were non-existent '72/3;
*Typewriters with the "kerning" function didn't exist in '72/3;
*Most experts, from Dr.Cartwright at Rice, the above-referenced Dr. Bouffard and Farrell Shiver, range from certain to almost certain in their conclusions that the docs are not legit;
*CBS doesn't have the "originals" and didn't reveal that fact until pressure mounted;
*The fake docs are easily and exactly reproduced on modern word-processing equipment, underscoring the ease with which the bad forgery could have been produced contrasted with the near impossibility of Lt Colonel Killian's producing them in 192/3;
*Lt Col Killian lacked motive to write and maintain such records;
*Despite intense media interest in the president's TANG career that extends back at least four years, someone sat on these docs until seven weeks before the 2004 election and after the RNC convention;
*CBS has a history of obtaining docs damaging to the Bush Adminsitration which in all likelihood came from Democratic partisans;
*CBS won't reveal its source;
*CBS has a history of blowing stories that involved fake documents; and
*Dan Rather has not appeared opposite a serious journalist to answer extended questions on camera, even though his reputation and the reputation of his network are being shredded and a confidant witness would demand a hearing with a Russert or a Hume.
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Never mind any of this...Don't you know Kerry was in Vietnam?
not done yet..
At least one letter is addressed to the wrong address, It is addressed to Bush's address at sign up and not his (then) current address which was known to the ANG at the time.
Contact Dan's bosses:
Sumner M. Redstone, chairman/CEO - Viacom
sumner.redstone@viacom.com
Leslie Moonves, president/CEO, CBS -
leslie.moonves@tvc.cbs.com
File a complaint with the FCC:
fccinfo@fcc.gov
Bump mark
Rather called me a right wing-nut, pajama wearing, fringe element, partisan operative. I can't tell is this is good or bad. And am I able to enhance my resume with any of this?
Dan stands behind his story...behind history. Yep that's where he belongs; on the excrement end of history.
This one's deep, Dan. Its really Deep. Swallow hard so you don't choke it.
Keep Hammering, Hugh!
Atos
Depends (a joke in itself ) on what kind of pajamas.
CBS will not deny that the DNC or the Kerry Campaign are the source of these forgeries.
AH I love Hugh he always is to the point and does yeoman work for us all
Mr. Hewitt's list of technical deficiencies is incomplete.
* Typewriters in 72/3 didn't have variable line spacing.
* Typewriters in 72/3 didn't have automatic word wrap (the bell rang and people either hyphenated or completed the word).
ANd Teresa is an "opiniated" woman....BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
Not this guy...I'm starting the virtual "Buff FReepers" chapter and you are not invited:-)
Calm down, don't get your Freepa..jamas in knot.
"ANd Teresa is an "opiniated" woman...."
Uh, urinated broad.
Excellent point, if he's telling the truth, he'd be demanding to be all over sunday morning talk shows to 'prove' his story....
Really!!??. . . No kidding. . .wow. . .You say he was in Vietnam?. . .That's the first I've heard about it. . .I didn't know. . .Now that changes everything!
(sarcasm)
Hey! I was in Viet Nam TOO! I want to be president.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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After seeing the PDF form of the memos, I noticed two items not in this list:
1) According to family members, Killian was a poor typist. Why aren't there typing errors in the documents, especially those that are "memos to file"?
2) I would expect some spelling errors in the documents. I didn't notice any. Why wouldn't there be some, especially again in the "memos to file"? It appears as though a spell checker was used on these documents.
Is there a freeper out there who routinely handles document production and impeachment in a court of law? I'm a lawyer and have had some experience with it but I don't have much experience with jury trials and none with criminal procedure so don't know whether these memos could be admitted. Clearly, they're hearsay first of all but might be admissable under the business records exception but the best evidence rule would require an original, especially where the possibility of forgery exists. If it can be established that these are forgeries, then someone has committed fraud. Fraud seems to be to trump the journalistic ethic against revealing sources.
Go read Page 6 (linked through Drudge).
Seems Les Moonves made a rare appearance at CBS on Friday. They are poo-poohing it, but this would be consistent with the time the forgeries story broke wide open. Dan's voice was hoarse from having to defend his sorry decision, is my opinion.
I've sent the emails to Redstone and Moonves, and a follow-up to my earlier email to the FCC.
We should make these people understand that this criminal scandal won't die.
I think an investigation is in order with regards to Dan Rather's daughter, Robin. She and Barnes are high ranking members of the DNC.
But, but, but Blather stands behind the docs...
Like that senile old fool would know a genuine Navy document from a jar of Peter Pan peanut butter! ROFLMAO
Clinotoon lied, Kerry lied, Blather lied and the whole world knows it!
NEXT CASE!
I already emailed Les Moonves. I'm eagerly awaiting a reply.
BTW- If anyone does not have Hugh's book, "If It's Not Close They Can't Cheat", buy it immediately....it is an absolute must in any thinking person's library, and a crucial read before the election is upon us.
If you do have it, buy another copy and pass it along to someone "on the edge" who needs to have their eyes opened.
If you have read it, act on his action ideas, especially the one about supporting good conservative media resources with your subscription dollars. If we don't support them, they will vanish!
Does a silk wrap qualify?
It's Bush's fault.
BTW- If anyone does not have Hugh's book, "If It's Not Close They Can't Cheat", buy it immediately....it is an absolute must in any thinking person's library, and a crucial read before the election is upon us.
ANd Teresa is an "opiniated" woman...."
Uh, urinated broad.""
Opiumloaded broad.
Shouldn't those pajamas have black and white stripes?
This story has legs...
And another thing....all you right-wingers who think Bush is not conservative enough: You need to read Hugh's chapter on majority and share it with other uber-conservatives who may be tempted to sit out this election.
The only way you have a prayer of getting your issues addressed is to help create a majority. Any other action/non-action is self-defeating at best; political suicide at worst.
You're My Cousin Vinnie, aren't you?
FMCDH(BITS)
1) According to family members, Killian was a poor typist. Why aren't there typing errors in the documents, especially those that are "memos to file"?
2) I would expect some spelling errors in the documents. I didn't notice any. Why wouldn't there be some, especially again in the "memos to file"? It appears as though a spell checker was used on these documents.
"*Lt Col Killian didn't type;"
I have contacted CBS and encourage others to do the same.
Angry?... Some, but mostly I am laughing at CBS.
Everyone in America knows Dan Rather's documents are forgeries. It's truly funny watching Dan and the old media try to pretend that the documents are authentic.
As long as they are NOT the black pajamas Kerry's buddies wore, it should be all good.
I called and it just rang and rang and rang. I think they've disconnected the answering service (LOL)!
hughhewitt.com nicely sums up the rest.
INDC journal forces the boston Globe to back off.
60 minutes has used fake memos in other stories before.
Washington Times says the memos were forged.
Washingtom Post seems like they are giving Dan a chance to fess up before the avalanche of evidenc buries him.
Secretary would have done it.
*Bloggers have been overwhelmed with e-mails from active duty and retire dmilitary who scoff at the form of the memos;
They are not so dissimilar from attachments found in files released by the Bush Campaign. Apparently the ANG was very . . . loose, casual in it's handling and drafting of memos.
*Typewriters with proportional spacing were rare in '72/3;
IBM Executive, with a 'walnut' based on the Times New Roman 'book font', might appear a close match.
*Typewriters with superscripting capabilites were rare in '72/3;
The ONLY place in the documents released, to date, in which a superscript "th" is found is in Bush's cumulative military records, apparently filled out year by year. In 1968, somebody played around with a superscript "th", for some reason. All subsequent usage of "th", on the SAME FORM, are simply typewritten lower case. Out of hundreds of instances of the use of "th" in all the documents, only on this one line, in this one document, is a superscript "th" found. What's more, it doesn't even come close to matching the superscript "th" used in the CBS memos. Instead, those match the superscript automatically created by MS Word 2000 (and possibly 97, as well), using Times New Roman, or perhaps Palatino or something very close. If one isn't careful, typing "th" after a number will always be converted by MS Word 2000, by default, to upper case "th". It appears to be a case where a sloppy forger simply didn't account for all the MS Word auto-corrections.
The objection might be is that there's this undated summary, from somewhere, again a very casual informal looking document (which may have been ANG SOP, and is frustrating looking back on it, now - you don't get that plain paper sloppiness, extensive use of PO Box addresses, etc. with the Swift Vets/Navy documentation from Vietnam (go Navy)). That document has a premable concerning the Freedom of Info Act, which passed NOV 1974. So it might have seemed a big deal in late 74/early 75. But it's also possible that office machines with superscripting were becoming available by Christmas 74/75. That's only two years before the start of the Apple Computers.
*Typewriters with perfect centering ability were non-existent '72/3;
The IBM Composer was available in the mid-60s are could justify and center proportional text. But justification was a two pass operation, for every line. Perhaps the same for centering. However, someone might have taken the time to set up mag tape assist Composer with a pre-centered header. Or they may just have made copies. Then the question would be, do those letterheads in the CBS memos match too closely with computer centered text to have been done on a 1960's era Composer. In addition, some have suggested this was simply sent out to a printer. However, it's an awfully cheap looking letterhead for a print shop, to be honest. It might be that Composer was used, in house, informally, to run off masters which were then copied for use as memos. There do even appear to be slight differences in the fonts from the main text, even between lines in the same letterhead. But that could be due to FAXing/scanning errors, and one would have to see the original documents (which CBS apparently DOES NOT have). Or - they may just be what they appear to be, cheap forgeries.
*Typewriters with the "kerning" function didn't exist in '72/3;
"ay" is clearly 'kerned' in one CBS memo. There is no suggestion this was possible with the IBM Composer or Executive. The simplest explanation - it's an MS Word forgery.
*Most experts, from Dr.Cartwright at Rice, the above-referenced Dr. Bouffard and Farrell Shiver, range from certain to almost certain in their conclusions that the docs are not legit;
They'd have to. How does Occam's Razor go - simplest explanation that accurately fits the facts?
*The fake docs are easily and exactly reproduced on modern word-processing equipment, underscoring the ease with which the bad forgery could have been produced contrasted with the near impossibility of Lt Colonel Killian's producing them in 192/3;
The kerning, the letter spacing, the line up of words, line spacing, everything, suggests just by crude overlays that those alignments and lines say the CBS memeos are clearly a product of MS Word which people have been using to make these overlay matches.
But he leaves out SOMETHING CRITICAL. IT'S THE FIRST . . THING . . ONE . . NOTICES.
Yes.
Rather can go to his grave claiming these documents are true, but the real truth is this: The evidence is out in the public domain and the verdic has already been rendered.... CBS is guilty of misconduct!
Hmmmm? I believe Rush said on Friday that it's common knowledge the documents were GIVEN TO THE DNC who in turn GAVE THEM TO THE KERRY CAMPAIGN who in turn GAVE THEM TO CBS.
I don't really care who gave them to the DNC. The DNC had a fiduciary duty to expose these fraudulent documents being perpetrated against a sitting President. Failing to do so only further supports them as the "crooked, lying bunch" (a quote by John Kerry).
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