Posted on 09/12/2004 2:34:43 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
First off, before I start getting a lot of the wrong kind of mail: I am not a fan of George Bush. But I am even less a fan of attempts to commit fraud, and particularly by a complete and utter failure of those we entrust to ensure that if the news is at least accurate. I know it is asking far too much to expect the news to be unbiased. But the people involved should not actually lie to us, or promulgate lies created by hoaxers, through their own incompetence....
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Nope. The overall spacing will remain but on a per-character basis you can't tell anything. The "fr" ABC spacing is a perfect example. I can't tell if the "r" is underneath the "f" or not because the resolution of the fax is too low. The resolution of the fax is probably 1/3 that of a printer which means the C spacing on the "f" is not discernable.
I think these docs are fakes but these available faxes make it difficult to be definitive.
I don't mean to be rude, but in a document of any length, the letter spacing adds up, and the blurring of individual letter pairs is of no consequence. This is demonstrated by the failure of even low-res scans of alternative documents to match at at the word and line level.
"You have to know where to stand."
Because she squats to pee. Either that or Clippy is a Democrat.
Yep. It was a pleasure to get the all the details explained. :)
"Clippy" has this "Barney Frank" look, and that's what has me a little confused.
He kiboshed the kerning kerfuffle. Done. Over.
Thanks for the heads up Bump.
Who wrote an article stating that it is impossible to prove the an original document to be real based on analyzing just a copy, but a copy can be definitive for proving a document a forgery.
BTTT
Microsoft Word by default does not kern text. The text of the memo is not kerned.
I hope this puts an end to the kerning discussion.
However, Times New Roman uses a characteristic of Microsoft TrueType fonts called the ABC dimensions, where the C dimension is the offset from the right edge of the bounding box of the character to the next character. If this offset is negative, the character with the negative C offset will overlap the character which follows (in some technologies, the distance from the start of one character to the start of another is called the ?escapement?, so a negative C offset gives an escapement which is less than the character width). This gives the illusion of kerning, or what I sometimes call ?pseudo-kerning?.
I think you spoke too soon. While MS Word by default turns off kerning, the MS True Type Times New Roman font apparently has a pseudo kerning capability. That being the case, how likely is it that the memo would match practically pixel per pixel with a document produced with MS Word if it had really been written in 1972?
It is the precise match to TrueType spacing that is the smoking gun. This is a propriatary spacing invented in 1981. No earlier typesetting system could possibly match it, except possibly a photo typesetter with infinitely complex hand manipulation.
PING
How long has Rather Dan and CBS been doing this kind of thing undetected? Do you really think this is the first time?
Like that time Dateline got busted staging that phony exploding gas tank deal with pickup trucks years ago.
Tha mainstream liberal media has been lying to the people in the name of "objective" news for generations.
The only difference now is now we have the alternative media outlets like talk radio, the bloggers and the internet. Otherwise this whole deal would have gone undetected. Which is what they, the forgers and CBS, were counting on.
I've lost count of the lies surrounding the whole deal. Like Barnes saying as Lt. Gov. of Texas being "pressured" by the "powerful" Bush family to get Dubya into the National Guard. Only problem is, in 1968 Barnes wasn't Lt. Gov. yet, that didn't happen until 1969, and the Demo-rats were in total control of the presidency, the Senate, the House, the Gov. of Texas and both legislative houses in Texas. IOW, the Bushes weren't "powerful" at that point in time, they were on the outs. It was only later after Herbert Walker Bush was head of the CIA and then V.P. that they became "powerful."
The other point was made by Killian's son,who served with his father, the latter the supposed author of the forged documents. He said his father would never have crafted such letters because if they were ever found it would put him (Dad) in deep Kim Chee. He would then have to answer why he wrote such glowing official reports if his personal opinion were the opposite. Far from giving him "CYA" it would be evidence of exactly the contrary. It would be proof that he lied on the official reports. No officer would be stupid enough to do this.
Aside from the computer/typewriter differences, the timelines alone disprove these documents. And the logic of the last point raised by Killian's son is the nail in the coffin. These are forgeries.
The question is, who would do such a thing? Are there any other forgeries we know of?
Hmmmm, let me see.
John Kerry's web site has a certificate for a Silver Star with a "V" for "Valor." Small problem is the Silver Star never was issued with a "V" for "Valor" because the Silver Star is an award for "Valor" in and of itself and the "V" designation would be redundant.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Seems forgeries follow the Kerry campaign around.
Why do you think that is?
"Examine carefully the “fr” in the word “from” in the 18-August-1973 memo. The “r” is tucked under the “f” in the same way a Microsoft font does it. In 1972, technology available in the office, including proportional typewriters, could not do this.
No offense to Dr. Newcomer, but he's wrong here. Monospaced typewriters could produce characters with negative A and C widths, and many typewriter fonts did in fact include characters with such widths. The most common example is the underline, but on many typewriters the "M" and "W" also qualify. Additionally, some specialty fonts like the "italic" and "script" balls for the Selectric, are designed with characters that overhang following characters (in the case of italic) or intersect them (in the case of script).
There is no reason to believe that negative A and C widths, which can be produced with a monospacing typewriter, could not likewise be produced with a proportionally-spacing one.
BTW, I've seen also seen metal type with negative A and C widths. I'm not sure how it was made, but it looked like metal letters were fastened to a squared-off metal block. I don't think such type would work in a Linotype, and would be a bother even to hand set (the spots where the metal type extends past the end of a block would be rather delicate; if two adjoining characters would intersect each other, a typesetter would have to put a spacer between them or risk damaging the type.
What do you want to bet that any typewriter fonts exactly match the spacing of TrueType?
"Remember the only expert produced by CBS is a handwriting expert."
Other threads have mentioned using Photoshop to "age" the forgeries. Maybe they pasted in an authentic signature.
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