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Congress caves in on weapons ban (Kansas City Star editorial)
KC Star ^ | Sep. 12, 2004

Posted on 09/12/2004 6:53:37 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

Posted on Sun, Sep. 12, 2004

Congress caves in on weapons ban

The gun lobby flexed its muscles, and congressional leaders blinked.

As a result, a 10-year-old ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons will expire at midnight Monday — unless Republican leaders in Congress change their minds.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay says there's no reason to bring legislation extending the ban up for a vote because it doesn't have enough votes to pass.

That seems like a dubious claim. The House legislation has 136 co-sponsors, including Reps. Karen McCarthy, Richard Gephardt and William Clay of Missouri and Dennis Moore of Kansas.

House Democrats differ with DeLay; they say the votes are there for an extension. DeLay personally opposes the ban, however. But shouldn't the rest of the members of Congress go on the record as to whether they support or oppose the ban?

Maybe that's the rub. Since the 1994 legislation went into effect, the National Rifle Association has focused on congressional members who supported it. Several lawmakers lost re-election bids because of the NRA's opposition. And the NRA has opposed any extension or expansion of the ban.

Most Americans, however, support restrictions on the military-style weapons covered by the 1994 law. The nation's police officers have been among the strongest advocates of the ban.

And according to a survey by the non-partisan National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, 57 percent of people with a gun in their household are OK with banning the weapons, which became popular with criminals because they are designed to be shot from the hip and to fire many rounds in rapid succession.

One argument against the ban is that it simply created a market for weapons with similar features that weren't covered by the legislation. That's an argument, however, for expanding the ban — not eliminating it.

Congress has a chance to reduce the number of dangerous weapons on the streets. Too bad it is letting the chance slip away.


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Such open minded editors of the Star we have.
1 posted on 09/12/2004 6:53:39 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Happy, Happy, Joy Joy!


2 posted on 09/12/2004 6:54:32 PM PDT by WoodstockCat (DNC and John Kerry: Forgers R' Us)
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To: Former Military Chick

Look at it this way -- they at least had the decency to put this piece in the opinion section, instead of the Front Page News section.


3 posted on 09/12/2004 6:55:09 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Congress stands against leftist weapons ban.
4 posted on 09/12/2004 6:56:14 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free.)
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To: Former Military Chick

More Guns -- Less Crime.

More gun laws -- More fatalities.


5 posted on 09/12/2004 6:57:16 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (John Flip-Flop Kerry led our nation to military defeat before ... He's just the man to do it again!)
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To: Former Military Chick

The Dems didn't have the stones to push this - they lost Congress after it passed the first time.


6 posted on 09/12/2004 6:57:16 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: mdittmar

Congress chooses not to support a weapons ban that would only be obeyed by law abiding citizens and infringe on their constitutional rights.


7 posted on 09/12/2004 6:57:19 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Former Military Chick

This title is SO wrong. Had me fretting the RINOs and Dims had finally prevailed.


8 posted on 09/12/2004 6:57:31 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: FairOpinion
"Several lawmakers lost re-election..." because of the NRA.
I'm the NRA, thank you.
9 posted on 09/12/2004 6:57:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Life Member)
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To: Former Military Chick

Non-crminals with guns don't kill people, criminals with guns kill people.


10 posted on 09/12/2004 6:58:26 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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To: Former Military Chick

It's a great day for the second amendment!


11 posted on 09/12/2004 6:58:54 PM PDT by kapn kuek (Terrorism for Dummies: #7. When you hear terrorist, translate to islamic terrorist.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Just for fun, let's do it freedom's way. Everyone who wants to have a gun for protection, fun, or just because the Second Amendment recognizes this right, can purchase any gun they have the money to buy.
Those who do not wish to accept the responsibility to protect their lives, their families, and the freedom of their country, can cower under the bed as they dial 911 and get a busy signal.
That's how freedom works.


12 posted on 09/12/2004 6:59:04 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Former Military Chick
Hallelujah!
13 posted on 09/12/2004 6:59:08 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: FairOpinion

You have something, I had not thought about it in that way, thank you.


14 posted on 09/12/2004 6:59:44 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Good grief, the title scared me.
15 posted on 09/12/2004 7:00:04 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; writer33; GreyFriar; americanmother; The Mayor; ...

For those who believe the ban should not have been renewed, the Star says otherwise.


16 posted on 09/12/2004 7:00:38 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: kcar

You wrote:

"This title is SO wrong. Had me fretting the RINOs and Dims had finally prevailed."

Me too! However, look at this is
'Payback is a B*tch' for the unconstitutional
invocation of Senate cloture rules to prevent
up-or-down votes on Federal Judicial
Nominees who would otherwise be confirmed.

Then, pop a cold beer and smile!


17 posted on 09/12/2004 7:01:16 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Yeah...when I read the title, I thought they decided to extend the ban!


18 posted on 09/12/2004 7:01:37 PM PDT by Lenmonster
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To: kcar
This title is SO wrong. Had me fretting the RINOs and Dims had finally prevailed.

Me too.

19 posted on 09/12/2004 7:01:41 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Former Military Chick

YAY! I'm glad to see that Congress is making a good decision on this issue.


20 posted on 09/12/2004 7:02:08 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen1777
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To: Former Military Chick
But shouldn't the rest of the members of Congress go on the record as to whether they support or oppose the ban?

Did this paper complain about Senate cloture rules that prevented up or down votes for confirmation of federal judicial appointments?

21 posted on 09/12/2004 7:02:12 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Former Military Chick
Midnight Monday is wrong too. AWB Countdown clock
22 posted on 09/12/2004 7:02:12 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: NicknamedBob
What a great coincidence:

Fox news reported today that the crime is the lowest ever recorded.

I guess all those concealed carry permits are making our towns safe for all citizens, even the leftist that hate America.
23 posted on 09/12/2004 7:02:25 PM PDT by kapn kuek (Terrorism for Dummies: #7. When you hear terrorist, translate to islamic terrorist.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Even if this would not pass, I believe that the bill - with NO RIDERS - should be put to a registered vote to let all Americans know who is NOT a true American who believes in the Constitution of the United States.


24 posted on 09/12/2004 7:03:27 PM PDT by steplock
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To: Former Military Chick
One argument against the ban is that it simply created a market for weapons with similar features that weren't covered by the legislation. That's an argument, however, for expanding the ban — not eliminating it.

That says it all right there. These people will not stop.

25 posted on 09/12/2004 7:03:34 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Former Military Chick

Dang, don't scare me like that! I thought from the headline that an AWB extension had been passed. Scared me to death, until I realized the perspective of the headline writer, and figured out what was going on.


26 posted on 09/12/2004 7:03:42 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: fso301

Whew, me too!


27 posted on 09/12/2004 7:04:19 PM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: Former Military Chick

The KC Star has it wrong. It is too late for Congress to act. The way the law is worded, the ban is effectively repealed at 00:00:01 on Monday, September 13th (or in other worse, less than two hours from now, EST). The House doesn't reconvene until 12:30 p.m. tomorrow... more than half a day after the ban has died. At that point, they can't vote to "extend the current ban" because there will be no ban. All they could do is pass a new ban.


28 posted on 09/12/2004 7:05:16 PM PDT by gieriscm
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To: Former Military Chick

I've got this to say to those Gun Grabbing NAZIS on the left side of this issue, especially the Blood dancing ghoul Karen McCarthy.

If Tiny Daschle can play god in the Senate by holding up Judicial nominees with some unwritten 60 vote rule as the minority party, you all can go suck wind in the house because the Right isn't run by Castrated choir boys like the Senate.

Fact is Tom Delay is putting the wood up side your head and most Americans believe you deserve it.


29 posted on 09/12/2004 7:05:36 PM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: kcar
Me too, When I saw the title, I thought for sure they were bringing it up for a vote tomorrow. My heart stopped for a minute.
30 posted on 09/12/2004 7:06:06 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: Former Military Chick
More bullshit from the marxists. They will not stop until all of US are disarmed. Word. Take it to the bank (that cheats you all the time).

I have updated my FMCDH (From My Cold Dead Hands) sign-off with the addition of (BITS).....Blood In The Streets, which I foresee coming soon, due to the enormous increase of the Marxist progressive movement being shoved down the throat of this failing REPUBLIC through the Judicial tyranny of fiat law, the passing of unconstitutional laws by the Legislative and Executive branches of our government and the enormous tax burden placed upon the average American to support unconstitutional programs put forth by Marxist ideology.

FMCDH(BITS)

31 posted on 09/12/2004 7:07:24 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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"And according to a survey by the non-partisan National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, 57 percent of people with a gun in their household are OK with banning the weapons, which became popular with criminals because they are designed to be shot from the hip and to fire many rounds in rapid succession."


SAY WHAT??? I hope the author goes into a gunshop and tries to buy a fully automatic UZI or AK-47 on tuesday morning. Boy, are they in for a suprise!


32 posted on 09/12/2004 7:07:58 PM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: Former Military Chick
And according to a survey by the non-partisan National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, 57 percent of people with a gun in their household are OK with banning the weapons, which became popular with criminals because they are designed to be shot from the hip and to fire many rounds in rapid succession.

AK-47s (I'm guessing that's what they mean by "assault rifles," at least this time around) are not designed to be fired from the hip. That's only true in Hollywood, where the blanks don't give a kick and launch one's shoulder out of its socket.

I don't doubt that LA gangsters fire them that way, and is also why they tend to miss their prey and hit some innocent 6 year old sitting in her living room instead.

33 posted on 09/12/2004 7:08:00 PM PDT by Tredge
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To: Former Military Chick

Oh, I get it "caves in on" means stands firmly against. I got worried when I saw the headline.


34 posted on 09/12/2004 7:08:40 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: OkiMusashi

You beat me by two seconds! Well done.


35 posted on 09/12/2004 7:08:43 PM PDT by Tredge
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To: Former Military Chick
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John Kerry is not fit to be elected dog catcher let alone President of the United States.
ANYONE who votes for Kerry AFTER knowing this data
is guilty of covering up John Kerry's war crimes!


John Kerry, director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War,
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36 posted on 09/12/2004 7:09:33 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Former Military Chick
Congress caves in on weapons ban

You scared me! I thought they'd caved and renewed the fool thing.

37 posted on 09/12/2004 7:11:00 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Good riddance.


38 posted on 09/12/2004 7:11:00 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (A gun owner voting for John Kerry is like a chicken voting for Col. Saunders. (bye bye .30-30))
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To: Former Military Chick
Congress caves to stupid men in Camo-pjs!! Want some Cheese with that Bias???

Pray for W and Our Troops

39 posted on 09/12/2004 7:11:33 PM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have killing fields!!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.


40 posted on 09/12/2004 7:13:25 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Such open minded editors of the Star we have.

...which became popular with criminals because they are designed to be shot from the hip and to fire many rounds in rapid succession.

Ignorant, too.

41 posted on 09/12/2004 7:13:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: bray

It's DEAD, Jim. Champaine chilled yet?


42 posted on 09/12/2004 7:13:54 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: kapn kuek
Another odd coincidence is that despite the violence occurring in Iraq, the world is more peaceful and free of warfare now than it has been for some time.

Hmmm, is coincidence really the right word?
43 posted on 09/12/2004 7:15:02 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (John Flip-Flop Kerry led our nation to military defeat before ... He's just the man to do it again!)
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To: Former Military Chick
The gun lobby flexed its muscles, and congressional leaders blinked.

And the Liberals whine about the Patriot Act being such an assault on our civil rights. Hell, the Leftists perfected opportunistic assaults on our Constitutional Rights with their assault on the Second Amendment at every turn.

44 posted on 09/12/2004 7:18:03 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Log Cabin Republicans AREN'T.)
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To: Former Military Chick

I would love to know who "Most" americans are.

I've yet to talk with more than 1 or 2 that supported the ban in the first place. I say supported, because after talking with them and explaining what the ban is all about, they no longer support it.


45 posted on 09/12/2004 7:20:42 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: Former Military Chick

If gun control worked LA, NY, and DC would be among the safest cities on the planet! Anytime a leftist tries to argue for gun control I simply point this out and end of argument.


46 posted on 09/12/2004 7:20:49 PM PDT by hawkiye
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To: kcar
This title is SO wrong. Had me fretting the RINOs and Dims had finally prevailed.

Me too. The first thought I had before clicking on the thread was .oO "those spineless b*st*rds!".

47 posted on 09/12/2004 7:21:41 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Former Military Chick; MeekOneGOP; Smartass; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; PhilDragoo; devolve; ...

"As a result, a 10-year-old ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons will expire at midnight Monday — unless Republican leaders in Congress change their minds."

_____________________________

Ask Australia, England or Canada if the violent crime rate went down when "assault" weapons were banned - ping.

48 posted on 09/12/2004 7:24:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (52 days until November 2nd)
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To: NicknamedBob
Another odd coincidence is that despite the violence occurring in Iraq, the world is more peaceful and free of warfare now than it has been for some time.

This could be the lull before the storm, or could be that the news media (Kerry's 527s) is too busy cutting and pasting memos to pay attention to the world.

49 posted on 09/12/2004 7:42:35 PM PDT by kapn kuek (Terrorism for Dummies: #7. When you hear terrorist, translate to islamic terrorist.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Open minded? Not to anything that those rabble-rousing rascals, the Founding Fathers would suggest! Imagine an armed populace! Imagine a government forbidden to take powers not outlined by the Constitution! Imagine freedom of conscience and privacy! That's an outrage, isn't it? [/sarcasm]


50 posted on 09/12/2004 7:43:09 PM PDT by risk
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