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Art show sees Europe as 'new Roman Empire'
Telegraph ^ | 09/14/04 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 09/14/2004 12:39:32 PM PDT by Pikamax

Art show sees Europe as 'new Roman Empire' By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels (Filed: 14/09/2004)

The European Union is poised to overtake America to become the premier superpower, according to an EU exhibition launched yesterday in the heart of Brussels.

The pop-art collage mounted in a tent outside the European Commission narrates 50 years of EU history and projects events into the future in an unusually frank display of European ambition.

Segments sketched across 80 yards of canvas predict that the 21st century will be the "European Century" as the EU pushes its borders deep into Eurasia, North Africa, and the Middle East and comes to dominate world affairs through its vast "legal and moral reach".

Under the heading the "Roman Empire returns", it says the EU will be renamed "The Union" once it grows to 50 states over the next three decades.

The United Nations headquarters will be moved to Gibraltar as the EU defends the international order against the "American onslaught".

The euro will break the "overbearing monopoly of the dollar" by 2010 as China and India switch their reserves to punish America for its "stratospheric deficit".

Casting the United States as the villain of modern times, it says: "The lonely superpower can bribe, bully or impose its will almost anywhere in the world, but when its back is turned, its policy is weakened."

Entitled "The Image of Europe", the display is not a formal expression of EU policy but it captures views that can be heard every day in the corridors and canteens of the Union's institutions.

The exhibit was co-ordinated by the European Commission and sponsored by the European Council. The EU's Dutch presidency said yesterday it was designed to narrow Europe's "iconographic deficit" by conjuring up forceful images.


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1 posted on 09/14/2004 12:39:33 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Well, I guess that makes the US the Turks...


2 posted on 09/14/2004 12:41:12 PM PDT by danneskjold (All balloons, what the hell! There's nothing falling! What the f%#@ are you guys doing up there?)
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To: Pikamax

... I'm trying so hard not to laugh... oh, screw it.

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!


3 posted on 09/14/2004 12:41:32 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals want "anyone but Bush." Tell them you're voting for Ashcroft. Watch them cringe.)
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To: Pikamax

And they are inviting the Huns to come live with them.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 12:41:42 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: Pikamax
...and comes to dominate world affairs through its vast "legal and moral reach".

Oh, yes. I recall Gibbon chronicling how the Romans subdued three continents with an irresistible army of diplomats and lawyers.

Sorry, kids, "we'll be in charge because we deserve it" doesn't cut it in the hard, old world. But nice try.

5 posted on 09/14/2004 12:44:03 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Pikamax

So the Euro-trash wish. Yeah their real stable. After all they have done such a terrific job in policing their own back yard in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia.


6 posted on 09/14/2004 12:45:17 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Pikamax
Segments sketched across 80 yards of canvas predict that the 21st century will be the "European Century" as the EU pushes its borders deep into Eurasia, North Africa, and the Middle East and comes to dominate world affairs through its vast "legal and moral reach".
This is post-modern version of gathering in the Hagia Sophia and praying for the angels to save you.

http://byzantium.seashell.net.nz/articlemain.php?artid=time_last
7 posted on 09/14/2004 12:50:41 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Pikamax
There are certain parallels to the Roman Empire.

In the days of the Empire's decline, the proletarian class of Rome neither earned wages or owned property.

Rome was ruled and owned by a caste of wealthy landowners and all the actual work was done by foreigner servants imported from abroad.

The average Roman citizen, although poor, considered himself to be above work. Since this idle group of losers had little to do except complain and riot when left to their own devices, the upper classes famously gave them "bread and circuses" - free food and games at the coliseum - in order to pacify and distract them.

In today's Europe there are, of course, a caste of superrich and a caste of foreign servants. And there is an enormous middle class that believes itself to be above working, works as little as possible and this class is ready to riot or strike at a moment's notice. So the masters give them the welfare state for free food and football for circuses.

8 posted on 09/14/2004 12:50:57 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Pikamax

Between socialism, isolationism, and a rapidly growing Middle Eastern population, I think Europe's in for real problems in this century.

Along with the US, the real players of the future will be on the Pacific Rim.


9 posted on 09/14/2004 12:52:03 PM PDT by GeorgiaMike
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To: Pikamax

Julius Caesar is turning over in his grave right about now.

"All Gaul is divided into three parts; Antiamericium, Appeasementium, and Arrogantium."


10 posted on 09/14/2004 12:53:54 PM PDT by UncleSamUSA (the land of the free and the home of the brave)
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To: Pikamax
The headline should read:Art show sees Europe as 'new Roman Empire' Circa 476 A.D.
11 posted on 09/14/2004 12:54:13 PM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: Pikamax

France is the enemy - France has always been the enemy.


12 posted on 09/14/2004 12:54:25 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Pikamax
The Roman Empire was responsible for spreading the Pax Romana. I would think that quelling such 'uprisings' in Bosnia or Sudan would be the first thing they'd want to accomplish to institute the Pax Europa....

Like that's going to happen.

13 posted on 09/14/2004 12:54:25 PM PDT by akorahil (<Insert witty tagline here>)
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To: Pikamax
these EU guys are clueless... europe is a *wonderful* place to live that is completely static and stratified to boot...

the innovation which will drive leadership in this world will come from the US, and from Asia, in no way Europe.

It is likely that the WWW will destroy the EU socialist mindset if the Ayrabs don't do it first.

The US will still be standing tall in fifty years, (of course estaremos hablando espanol -- but one has to ask whether they would prefer to meld with the culture of mohammed and osama bin laden or the culture of cervantes, neruda and ortega-y-gasset. the melding will occur regardless of our desires in this matter.)

14 posted on 09/14/2004 12:54:52 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Pikamax

This goes hand in hand with the prophecies in the book of Daniel and in Revelations.


15 posted on 09/14/2004 12:56:36 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: danneskjold
Casting the United States as the villain of modern times, it says: "The lonely superpower can bribe, bully or impose its will almost anywhere in the world, but when its back is turned, its policy is weakened."

That's exactly why I'm an isolationist and a nationalist. The euros have become like spoiled children. We give them everything and they want more. We should and need to withdraw from all peace keeping operations, cut foreign aid, withdraw troops from germany, and withdraw from NATO. Let the world go to hell for a few years and that will make the appreciate us. If we continue to do everything for them, they will continue to be ungrateful.

16 posted on 09/14/2004 12:57:18 PM PDT by chronotrigger (heart of Dixie; or pretty close to it. p.s. F-Franz)
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To: Pikamax
And yet they claim we are Evil because they claim we have imperial ambitions?

It doesn't matter though, Europe will be a province of the Grand Caliphate by 2050 if not sooner at the rate they are going. And the kicker is we will probably have to go Crusade (again, if you count WWII) to save this aspiring New Rome, just like that last New Rome needed saving from the Muhammadans.

17 posted on 09/14/2004 12:58:05 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Pikamax

This isn't surprising. I've always thought that Europeans have always yearned for the return of the Roman Empire ever since that empire fell. That accounts for the Holy Roman Empire, the Tsars and Kaisers (caesars), and the Reichs and various other empires, etc., along with their current efforts.


18 posted on 09/14/2004 1:00:08 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly)
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To: Pelayo
It won't matter, since the world's going to end on Dec. 21, 2012 anyway...

:)

19 posted on 09/14/2004 1:00:35 PM PDT by danneskjold (All balloons, what the hell! There's nothing falling! What the f%#@ are you guys doing up there?)
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To: Pikamax

Pride before the fall.


20 posted on 09/14/2004 1:00:51 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Pikamax

"Told ya so!!"

21 posted on 09/14/2004 1:01:07 PM PDT by haywoodwebb (Eradicate Islam worldwide!)
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To: Pikamax

Definitely not a case of art imitating life.

So how many nations in EU are still in a recession anyway?


22 posted on 09/14/2004 1:02:41 PM PDT by discostu (That which does not make me stronger kills me)
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To: Pikamax
Europe as 'new Roman Empire'...

Someone tell the EU that the Romans had their own army, and didn't have to depend on someone else to defend their sorry backsides.

The European Union is poised to overtake America to become the premier superpower,...

It's kind of hard to be a superpower when you grab your ankles every time you get in trouble.

23 posted on 09/14/2004 1:03:38 PM PDT by Noachian (in.ter.net n. Gatekeeper of the new media)
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To: Pikamax
Perhaps I watch too many horror films, but:

When the Jews return to Zion
And a comet fills the sky
The Holy Roman Empire rises
And you and I must die
From the eternal sea he rises
Creating armies on either shore
Turning man against his brother
Till man exists no more

Bad idea to have watched the Omen box set a week ago.

Regards, Ivan

24 posted on 09/14/2004 1:03:46 PM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: MadIvan
The Holy Roman Empire rises

It may be "roman" and conceivably even an "empire", but "holy"?? Never.

25 posted on 09/14/2004 1:05:17 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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as the EU pushes its borders deep into Eurasia, North Africa, and the Middle East and comes to dominate world affairs through its vast "legal and moral reach".

…designed to narrow Europe's "iconographic deficit" by conjuring up forceful images.

The last time Europe had a group producing forceful images with visions of pushing their borders into neighboring areas, didn't they end up trashing the whole continent (not to mention a large part of the world)? And liberals think that America has imperialistic ambitions – sheesh! Sounds like that whole nazi thing is alive and well in “sophisticated” Europe.

26 posted on 09/14/2004 1:05:32 PM PDT by azemt (9/11/2001 ... Remember!)
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To: Cincinatus

It being holy in the first instance was pretty sporadic too. :)

Regards, Ivan


27 posted on 09/14/2004 1:05:59 PM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: Pikamax

So should we just surrender now? You know those Frenchmen are tough..........


28 posted on 09/14/2004 1:06:14 PM PDT by conrad metcalf 42
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To: Pikamax

"The European Union is poised to overtake America to become the premier superpower, according to an EU exhibition launched yesterday in the heart of Brussels."

Not in their wildest dreams. The real reality is that Europe is being buried under a sea of Moslems and other Third Worlders.


29 posted on 09/14/2004 1:06:48 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: chronotrigger

I have maintained that for years. We need to make new alliances without NATO. Just imagine what a safe world it would be if we allied ourselves with Russia, Japan, Australia, Pakistan or India, some Eastern European countries and anyone other than central Europe willing to be safe?
Screw the EUrinals.


30 posted on 09/14/2004 1:08:31 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: Terpfen; Pikamax

This sort of foolishness comes from the paradox of the EU.

The EU ruling elite has delusions of grandeur but the European man in the street has no wish to sacrifice his 35 hour workweek, six week vacation, cradle to grave social welfare lifestyle to pay the price and take the risks necessary to make those dreams real. The European man in the street has no wish to make the sacrifices necessary to turn the EU into a kind of Third French Empire strong enough to take on America.

So they think they can persuade us that we have some kind of "moral duty" to collectivize the decisions we make and give them a veto over our actions. They babble foolishness about "legal and moral reach" as if pious posturing and pieces of paper were the stuff of power, not the courage of real men and women.

A continent too PC to complain or even notice that packs of young Muslims are routinely gang-raping their daughters is not one destined to play any role in history.


31 posted on 09/14/2004 1:08:42 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Pikamax
An art show? The EU is predicted to be a superpower by an ART SHOW?

Sounds like a "Monty Python" skit. Absolutely insane.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

32 posted on 09/14/2004 1:10:30 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: haywoodwebb
Everything is going according to plan...

Sit at my right hand...

... until I make a footstool of your enemies.

33 posted on 09/14/2004 1:15:23 PM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Noachian
Someone tell the EU that the Romans had their own army, and didn't have to depend on someone else to defend their sorry backsides.

Well actually towards the end of the empire they did. In fact it was largely because there were so few Italians in the armies that the Empire lost it's stability and fragmented into smaller territorial militarily governorships controlled by local armies who were only nominally Roman and under foreign command. e.g. The titles of the medieval nobility for the most part come from military ranks of the Roman allied armies.

34 posted on 09/14/2004 1:17:26 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Joe Brower

ROTLMAO!!! Great post ;D


35 posted on 09/14/2004 1:20:40 PM PDT by Pelayo
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Um... most everyone (I assume) knows about the Lisbon council where the EU set itself a deadline to be the "most competitive economy in the world by 2010". I believe the overall plan is to catch up in terms of GDP.

However German finance minister Hans Eichel disagrees and there are a number of Economists saying that Europe is going the wrong way.


http://www.euobserver.com/?aid=17227


36 posted on 09/14/2004 1:26:24 PM PDT by trashcanbred (German finance minister: EU economy cannot catch US by 2010)
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" as the EU pushes its borders deep into Eurasia, North Africa, and the Middle East and comes to dominate world affairs through its vast "legal and moral reach"."

This is the idea behind Jaques Iraq thinking he has the standing to call Russia to account for its handling of the Chechen terrorist.

If they truly ever intend to become a power much less a superpower, they better start making babies, because it takes people to "push those borders," and they're going to be woefully short-handed.


37 posted on 09/14/2004 1:26:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (s)
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To: danneskjold

There's a CBS and font joke in there somewhere...


38 posted on 09/14/2004 1:29:03 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: Pikamax; Angelus Errare

Despite what some people think, life DOESN'T imitate art.


39 posted on 09/14/2004 1:34:50 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Pikamax

"The United Nations headquarters will be moved to Gibraltar"

Thank God, our prayers will be answered!


40 posted on 09/14/2004 1:39:52 PM PDT by anonsquared
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To: danneskjold

...to narrow Europe's "iconographic deficit" by conjuring up forceful images...

Does Iconographic mean?
PRODUCTIVITY DEFICIT
INOVATION DEFICIT
TECHNOLOGICAL DEFICIT
STANDARD OF LIVING DEFICIT
COMFORT OF LIVING DEFICIT
HOME OWNERSHIP DEFICIT
HEALTH CARE QUALITY DEFICIT
and also ALL THINGS MILITARY DEFICIT

Lived there and after the museums, the castles and the restaurants, it sucked and will continue to suck as long as they focus their effort on fixing their "ICONOGRAPHIC" deficiencies.
They should be focusing on the risk of becoming the CALIPHATE rather than the mean ol'USA power.


41 posted on 09/14/2004 1:40:17 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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The euro will break the "overbearing monopoly of the dollar" by 2010 as China and India switch their reserves to punish America for its "stratospheric deficit".

They're kidding, right? The EU's enormous entitlement liability dwarfs America's.

42 posted on 09/14/2004 1:47:10 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Pikamax
Having lived in Europe (Belgium, Netherlands, Italy) for over 11 years and, after leaving going back for vacation every year or so for some time, I find the claim of a new Roman Empire a big joke. Let us look at some of the latest studies done about the OLD EUROPE:

First in a study done by a Swedish think tank (Timbro): The following was found:

If Europe was part of the United States only Luxembourg could rival the best states in the US. The rest of Europe would rank below the U.S. average.

Low Income in the U.S; 25% of the population (1999) were considered to be in the low-income area (annual income of less that $25,000). In Europe between 35% and 50% of the population would be considered low income. The disparity between the poverty level in the U.S. and Europe would be even greater.

Productivity; Because of the interference of government in private enterprise, the productivity in Europe is such that 10% to 16% of the population is unemployed because no new jobs have been created in years.

Health care; WHO: European Health Care Fails Elderly. Providing care for people with terminal illnesses regardless of age or income has become "a neglected topic in most countries," said Dr. Agis Tsouros of the WHO's Copenhagen-based Europe office. And from experience I can tell you that those people that have the money do not go to the state health care organizations.

Taxes; In Europe tax revenues are 40% to 50% of GDP (Study by Timbro); in the U.S. it is less that 30%. The high tax rates are driving Europeans to nongovernmental authorized work or businesses that do not pay taxes.

Living Space: In the U.S. poor Americans live in an average of 1,200 Sq feet of space. In Europe the average for all households (Timbro Study) is 1,000 sq feet. In the U.S. a large number of “poor” people own their own homes (45.9%). Plus in America the "poor" have cars, multiple entertainment systems and a very good chance to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and become well off. Not is Europe if you are not of the higher class it is almost impossible to gain status.

The Timbro study concludes; ”Most Americans have a standard of living which a majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near.”

Enough said.
43 posted on 09/14/2004 1:48:47 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Pikamax
"The European Union is poised to overtake America to become the premier superpower."

Kinda hard to to that if your militaries can't fight their way out of a paper bag.

44 posted on 09/14/2004 1:50:48 PM PDT by LincolnLover
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To: UncleSamUSA

"All Gaul is divided into three parts; Antiamericium, Appeasementium, and Arrogantium."

Brilliant! Simply brilliant!


45 posted on 09/14/2004 2:08:59 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Pikamax
...the EU defends the international order against the "American onslaught".

Yeah? You and what army?

46 posted on 09/14/2004 2:10:43 PM PDT by LexBaird (This opinion was tagged and released into the wild. Please report all sightings.)
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To: Moonman62
"Pride before the fall"

"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

I say they first fall over and then get destroyed. Of course, either way....

47 posted on 09/14/2004 2:11:59 PM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: denydenydeny; All

Well when the Euroweenies decide they want to rule the world, there won't be any more Stratospheric US deficit....Do the Math...our deficits generally equal the amount of our foreign aid and foreign defense committments....get rid of them an voila! No more deficits. And that is the dirty little secret that Europe will not acknowldge (but certain German localities are just realizing it now as we pull our bases out of their midst)!


48 posted on 09/14/2004 2:18:57 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: YOUGOTIT

”Most Americans have a standard of living which a majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near.”

A recent visitor of mine from Europe in the US for the first time struggled to say, "You...have...so...much...compared...to...us" to me in a conversation about disparities in wealth between the US and EU.

He came to visit believing all the things about America that EU propaganda tells its people - like art shows depicting the EU as the Roman Empire. What he got utterly destroyed his Euro-notions of America. From the the hospitals (everything is so new and you don't have to wait), to the supermarkets (we don't have that in stores over there), to the tax rates (lower here than there), his whole worldview changed radically in the time he was here.

He came as a strutting, arrogent Euro-fied, EU true believer and left wanting to come back to live in the US permenently. So much for the new Roman Empire.

I told him, you better be ready to work hard or you're better off staying home!


49 posted on 09/14/2004 2:27:41 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: All

Fifteen posts before the first "end times" reference. We're getting better. These folks usually show up within the first half dozen or so.


50 posted on 09/14/2004 2:32:07 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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