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Former secretary says she didn't type memos
Dallas Morning News ^ | 9/14/04

Posted on 09/14/2004 2:18:24 PM PDT by ambrose

Former secretary says she didn't type memos 04:10 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 14, 2004

By PETE SLOVER / The Dallas Morning News

HOUSTON – The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

Marian Carr Knox, who worked from 1956 to 1979 at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston, said she prided herself on meticulous typing, and the memos first disclosed by CBS News last week were not her work.

“These are not real,” she told The Dallas Morning News after examining copies of the disputed memos for the first time. “They’re not what I typed, and I would have typed them for him.”

Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

“I remember very vividly when Bush was there and all the yak-yak that was going on about it,” she said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: killian; mariancarrknox; napalminthemorning; rathergate; tang
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1 posted on 09/14/2004 2:18:25 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Yeah, but does this Right-wing nut Karl Rove operative trump Rathers Typewriter repair dude.


2 posted on 09/14/2004 2:20:29 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("I knocked on the door of this man's soul, and found somebody home"--Zell Miller)
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To: ambrose

...and the second shoe drops.

Dan, you're screwed!


3 posted on 09/14/2004 2:20:30 PM PDT by BP2
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To: ambrose

Quote:

The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.




Well, let's see some of these "real" documents then... lol


4 posted on 09/14/2004 2:20:42 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Howlin

More incoming...


5 posted on 09/14/2004 2:20:49 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: ambrose

Is that precious ... she says they are forgeries ... but that the forgeries reflect actual documents that are no longer in existence ...

LOL !!! ...


6 posted on 09/14/2004 2:20:51 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: ambrose

Subscription only.
Don't tease us.


7 posted on 09/14/2004 2:21:10 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ambrose

Game, Set, Match


8 posted on 09/14/2004 2:21:34 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: ambrose
The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

Well, this ought to give some fodder to the Dems.

Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

And of course this partisan display won't be covered elsewhere.

9 posted on 09/14/2004 2:21:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: ambrose
Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

This is good - she's spewing DNC talking points, but denying the authenticity of the documents.

Is she a Republican mole too?

10 posted on 09/14/2004 2:21:47 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: dartuser

I wonder what model of typewriter she used? Parley


11 posted on 09/14/2004 2:21:55 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Howlin

Fascinating... this Bush hating secretary says she did all of Killian's typing, but never typed these memos, or anything relating to their subject matter - but maintains that such memos did exist at one time.

I expect this will be the new Rat spin. Too late.


12 posted on 09/14/2004 2:22:06 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose
If you can't produce (any REAL documents)

You can't deduce (anything wrong with Bush's service)

13 posted on 09/14/2004 2:22:33 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: MizSterious

Darn it.....what does the rest of the article say???


14 posted on 09/14/2004 2:22:59 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: ambrose

Another one of the DNC's own people turns on them!


15 posted on 09/14/2004 2:23:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wideawake
Is she a Republican mole too?

Better make sure it's not that evil genius Rove in drag.

16 posted on 09/14/2004 2:23:21 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: ambrose
LOL! I love the last bit about her Bush hatred. Icing on the cake.

Good catch!

But, no pit bulls??

17 posted on 09/14/2004 2:23:28 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.......John Kerry suffers from delusions of adequacy........)
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To: ambrose
Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

Her agenda is pretty obvious.

18 posted on 09/14/2004 2:23:43 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ambrose
Is this a parody? Someone speculated that the final defense would be "well, these are forgeries, but they reflect documents that used to exist, honest".

This is risable.

19 posted on 09/14/2004 2:23:46 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: ambrose

I would like to see the transcript and see if they are twisting her words at all to make the claim that such documents "did exist". The fact they did not quote her making that statement makes me question what she really said that they characterized the way they did.


20 posted on 09/14/2004 2:24:16 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: ambrose
"Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

Mrs. Knox, m'am, with all due respect, who ARE you going to vote for, surely you couldn't possibly......and the ONLY other alternative is Dennis Kucinich, maybe????? GGEEEEEESSSHHH!!!!

21 posted on 09/14/2004 2:24:54 PM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: ambrose

I know I have a copy of last weeks winning lottery numbers, sure it's a forgery, but I know that I did have the winning ticket at one time.


22 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: ambrose

HA HA! Dan Rather must be cringing....she ALMOST came through for him except for her Vanity regarding the sloppy typing!


23 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:08 PM PDT by spyone
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To: ambrose
No, Kitty. Leave Mr. Rather Alone.
24 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:18 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ambrose
she prided herself on meticulous typing, and the memos first disclosed by CBS News last week were not her work.

LOL....even though she wishes it were true, she won't take credit for shoody work.

25 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:21 PM PDT by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: EggsAckley
Mrs. Knox said she did all of Lt. Col. Killian’s typing, including memos for a personal “cover his back” file he kept in a locked drawer of his desk.

She said she did not recall typing the memos reported by CBS News, though she said they accurately reflect the viewpoints of Lt. Col. Killian and documents that would have been in the personal file. Also, she could not say whether the CBS documents corresponded memo for memo with that file.

26 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:23 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

How is Dan-0 going to explain this one away!


27 posted on 09/14/2004 2:25:26 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: ArmyBratproud

That's cold man, 1o1!!!


29 posted on 09/14/2004 2:26:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: ambrose
Marian Carr Knox

As any mechanic will tell you, there's nothing more irritating than Carr Knox.

30 posted on 09/14/2004 2:26:25 PM PDT by JennysCool (Funny how militant environmentalists always ruin the lawn)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

If the "th" don't fit--
You must acquit.


31 posted on 09/14/2004 2:26:31 PM PDT by San Jacinto (Reporting for duty to the Bastion of Right-Wing Lunacy.)
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To: ambrose
Someone needs to let this woman know:

The technology was available for her to type these memos.

She could have been typing on an IBM Composer or some custom made proportional spacing kerning typewriter.

That "Selected Not Elected" jazz only works if you're willing to go along with the rest of the program.

***

Sheesh. First Zell Miller, now this broad. No wonder the liberal democrats wrote off the south.

32 posted on 09/14/2004 2:26:31 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: ambrose

And yet, Killian's wife and son have said he loved Bush.


33 posted on 09/14/2004 2:27:12 PM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: ambrose
Killian on Lt. George W. Bush
34 posted on 09/14/2004 2:27:25 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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To: RogueIsland

Is she a Republican mole too?

Yes, the VRWC at work. She didn't type the memos, and says they're fake, but she's not for Bush.

She's partisan and can't be believed for her negative comments about Bush. But she says the memos are fake, and she would know!

This couldn't be a better situation!


35 posted on 09/14/2004 2:27:26 PM PDT by BP2
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To: ambrose

Remember how Nixon's secretary claimed she erased the 17 minutes from 'the tapes' but then had to contort ridiculously to do so?


This old bat is doing similar rhetorical contortions.


36 posted on 09/14/2004 2:27:41 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: Taliesan
And yet, Killian's wife and son have said he loved Bush.

Yes, but the 86 year-old Bush-hating secretary is more credible insofar as the media is concerned.

37 posted on 09/14/2004 2:28:11 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

Even a Texas anti-Bush liberal calls the memos a forgery. That's about as unimpeacheable a refutation of what CBS aired than coming from this secretary. Of course they'll say she's lying. (laughing)


38 posted on 09/14/2004 2:28:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ambrose

Anyone have a username/password they would be willing to freepmail me?


39 posted on 09/14/2004 2:28:26 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: dfwgator

the "1o1" is a nice touch.

From your Freeper title...can I derive that you are a Univ. of Florida grad that lives in the Metroplex.

I am over her in on the edge of the Cowtown side.


40 posted on 09/14/2004 2:28:50 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: dfwgator

1O1!!!

I like it! The ones! LOL!


41 posted on 09/14/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: ambrose
The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

Translation: We're too stupid to produce convincing forgeries, but these say what we would say if we could.

42 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:14 PM PDT by HoustonTech
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To: CatoRenasci
Anything else worth reading in this article?I don't have a login.
43 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:25 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: ambrose

Forgeries, but genuine forgeries? Not.

> ... they reflect real documents that once existed.

This cannot be literally true, due to the time/place/date
problems, defective terminology/abbreviations/regs, etc.

> ... said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, ...

They needed to hire her BEFORE the creative fiction began.

Anyhow, this means that hunt'n'peck Killian would have
had to type the memos himself on that mythical IBM
Selectric Composer with top-secret Pseudo-Kerning option.

It will be fun to see how Rather spins this mixed bag
of news.


44 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:31 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Petronski

Can somebody Freepmail me this article?????? I can't seem to register!


45 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:39 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: OHelix

86 years old and remembers details that no longer exist.


46 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:41 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: CatoRenasci
The Democrats don't care that they're forgeries. They aren't interested in the forgeries reflecting pre-existing documents. These forgeries are just a set-up.

They are using this scam as a springboard to further attack Bush's service in the Guard. "Sure the documents are fakes, but what about the issues they raise?"

47 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:41 PM PDT by Chunga
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To: ambrose
HOUSTON – The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

How bleeping convenient.

This "poor" partisan woman has to fess up to the techncially obvious, but then gives CBS some slim threads to hang on to.

At least the DMN had the decency to note the partisanship:

Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

Of course, with bloggers looking over their shoulders, do they have a choice? (nyuk, nyuk).

But despite what she says, there remains for CBS an insurmountable challenge: PROVE IT.

48 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:42 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Dems_R_Losers
"The information in here was correct, but it was picked up from the real ones,” she said.

She said that the culture of the time was that men didn’t type office-related documents, and she expressed doubt that Lt. Col. Killian would have typed the memos. She said she would typically type his memos from his handwritten notes, which she would then destroy.

Mrs. Knox, who left the Guard before Lt. Col. Killian died, said she was not sure of the disposition of his personal files when he died while still serving at Ellington. But, she said, it would have been logical that a master sergeant who worked in the squadron headquarters would have destroyed any such nonofficial documents after Lt. Col. Killian’s death.

That man, reached Tuesday, declined to comment. “I don’t know anything about the matter,” he said.

She also said the memos may have been constructed from memory by someone who had seen Lt. Col. Killian’s private file but were not transcriptions because the language and terminology did not match what he would have used.

For instance, she said, the use of the words “billets” and a reference to the “administrative officer” of Mr. Bush’s squadron reflect Army terminology rather than the Air National Guard. Some news reports attribute the CBS reports to a former Army National Guard officer who has a longstanding dispute with the Guard and has previously maintained that the president’s record was sanitized.

Mrs. Knox also cited stylistic differences in the form of the notes, such as the signature on the right side of the document, rather than the left, where she would have put it.

This woman sounds confused, to me.

49 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:53 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Please send all of your gold-trimmed lace right away"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: liz44040

No, it was designed to be a diversion from the third anniversary of 9/11, which the Democrats knew would be a political bonanza for President Bush and futher bury Kerry. Dan Rather cut corners and sped up this story so it would air right before September 11. They thought Bush would be spending the weekend defending himself; instead, it was Dan Rather spending the weekend defending himself!!!


50 posted on 09/14/2004 2:29:54 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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