Would Kelley's publisher be part of it, considering the 'timing' of her release?
Posted on 09/14/2004 6:40:30 PM PDT by BobKrumm
Bob Tuke, a prominent Nashville attorney, early Kerry supporter, and head of the Tennessee chapter of Veterans for Kerry, was a guest August 11th on a local radio talk show, Teddy Bart’s Roundtable (http://www.thepublicforum.org/tbrt/). On that date Tuke let slip that he had inside information that indicated that Lieutenant Bush missed a flight physical in order to cover up his drug use. (hat tip: MooreThoughts.com, page down to “Guard Flap”) Tuke said that by the time of the debates, “We may also know why Bush failed to show up for his medical exam that caused him to lose his flight status.” When the venerable journalist, Teddy Bart, pressed him on his comment he said that, “The physical exam was scheduled for a couple of weeks after the Air Force changed its policy and decided to put drug testing into physical exams so now the speculation is out there about why would a person who has been serving for--supposedly serving for--three to four years in the Air National Guard as a pilot fail to show up for a physical so that he could maintain his flight certification status? Why?”
(Excerpt) Read more at moorethoughts.com ...
Since then events have shown that Bob Tuke and thus the Kerry campaign were in the know. First was last Wednesday’s revelation on CBS’s 60 Minutes II that there were documents recording Bush’s disobedience of an order to take his flight physical. This week then saw the rollout of Kitty Kelley’s book that was to repeat the allegations about Bush’s drug use. Finally today in The Nation Russ Baker reported that it was fear of failing a drug test that drove the young Bush to evade his commander’s order.
This was the perfect product rollout. First came the foundation: Bush willfully disobeyed an order to complete his necessary physical. Kelley then erected the frame when she brought the drug allegations back to the fore. The finishing touch was supposed to be The Nation’s expose linking the two. The MSM would then run with the story. Even more clever was the bait and switch tactic contained within this plan. Dan Rather’s report had two elements: Lieutenant Governor Barnes’ allegation of favoritism and the documents. The right’s role was to fall into what is thought to be standard Karl Rove modus operandi and attack the attacker, ie. Barnes. Left unassailed were to be the documents. After all, how could official military orders be in error? After exhausting our energies attacking Barnes, we were going to find that the real meat of the story was the skipped physical—and why it was skipped.
Only it didn’t go as planned. The foundation to the Kerry plan crumbled when documents in black and white proved to be rather transparent forgeries.
Which brings up two points. The first is obvious: how much did the Kerry camp know about these forgeries? Obviously they knew something or Bob Tuke wouldn’t have so accurately predicted both the alleged scandal and its timing. If they provided the forgeries to Dan Rather that puts the Kerry campaign in the middle of a perpetrated fraud. But what if instead Rather’s office provided the documents to the campaign? What does that say of the nexus of journalism and the DNC? Of course, it could be that one independent source provided the documents to both groups. However the timing of the news rollout—Rather, Kelley, and Baker in quick succession—makes such happenstance look too coincidental to be coincidence. Undoubtedly the Kerry campaign knew enough of the story to piece together the product rollout plan. Just what did they know? When did they know it? And who gave them the knowledge?
The second point is more esoteric: what does the Kerry campaign’s decision to rollout the Bush National Guard attack ads say about what they believe to be Kerry’s chances? Back to the earlier building analogy: once it was obvious that Hurricane Blog had destroyed the foundation—the CBS documents—why did Kerry’s campaign decide to go forward with the rest of the building? Could it be that they’re all out of options?
BTW, tomorrow (September 15th) Teddy Bart will have Bob Tuke back on for the first time since the CBS story. Might be an interesting show.
The mind boggles....
Welcome to FR. Thanks for the info.
Howlin- Can you ping the usual suspects. I promise one day I'll make a ping list or 2. ;-)
why?
We got inside their attack formations and they are still advancing while we're chewing up their rear.
Interesting
Let’s all hope that they can tie the DNC/Kerry into this scandal. Bush deserves a good bounce from this.
Sorry, saw the "moore" website and that he was a newbie...too quick on the trigger...sorry!
Yep, he signed up tomorrow to post this.
I've been hearing bits and pieces of this particular story literally for years from Migali.
Mig, a former AirForce liver also knows some folks on the far left in the photocomposition business. I strongly suspect he was involved with the forged documents.
Why the heck would you launch a troll alert on this guy? JUST because he's a newbie? Get used to it, we have a LOT of true, honest newbies right now due to this exact issue.
BobKrumm: Nice find, thank you. Welcome aboard.
Qwinn
Read post #9.
LMAO!!!
It's been a long week, hasn't it.
Love your enthusiam, though.
Bump
Welcome to Free Republic.
I'm definately saving this to read tomorrow.
So this supports the conspiracy theory that CBS timed
the ill-fated expose show to put Bush on the defensive
during 911 week.
Guess that didn't work.
This guy's name sounds like Bob Shrum, posts an article from "Moore" thoughts, and is registered as of today.
McAwful, Begonna, etc. This is the exact tactics they used before.
Best part, it is 8 and 4 years later and it ain't workin.
You're all right in my book lormand! You'll catch a troll one day, I have NO doubt. In the meantime, read the article again, it is MOST telling. Regards, SVITW
Which PC they were created on?
Thanks for the information. More proof that the RATS are pure evil. Btw, welcome to Free Republic!
Since I was in the Air Force during that time frame, could you be more exact as to when the policy on druge testing was changed?
It could be they are all out of options. It could also be that they are treading water, keeping the story going, with more revelations to come. (Which could explain Rather's bizarre defense of the forged documents.)
My current favorite theory is that it could be that someone has some very damaging information on Kerry in store. Kerry absolutely cannot take another round of those kind of attacks. His only hope would be to damage Bush in such a way that that the public concludes that both candidates are tarred by flawed backgrounds.
If I was a trolling Bob Schrum I'd certainly choose a name that was significantly different from his. But if I was a forging Bob Schrum I certainly choose a font different from MS Word . . . there goes that logic.
But if you want to check my bona fides, read this:
http://www.tennessean.com/opinion/archives/04/07/55279103.shtml
"But if I was a forging Bob Schrum I certainly choose a font different from MS Word . . . there goes that logic."
lol--welcome to FR!
Would Kelley's publisher be part of it, considering the 'timing' of her release?
Bob Krumm is a graduate of West Point, a 12-year veteran of active service and is now a major in the Army Individual Ready Reserve.
Very impressive is that Bob Krumm fella:)
Of course the kerry campaign knew about the docs weeks ago. They forged them.
Doesn't make sense. An idiot like myself could have created these forgeries. They aren't the work of a professional, they are the work of an idiot . :-P
Shrum should be here I understand he is practically out of a job these days. Snake-bitten as it were.
Here's some more information on Tuke:
http://www.nashvillescene.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?story=Back_Issues:2004:February_5-11_2004:Politics:Cover_Story
Rent your garage to a Kerry staffer now
John Kerry has had little presence in Tennessee. Until now. "It's kind of like a tidal wave," acknowledges Kathy Roeder, Kerry's Tennessee press secretary. Roeder just arrived here Saturday. Before that, she was living in New Hampshire, where she was Dick Gephardt's press secretary, and then found herself unemployed.
At the beginning of this week, some 15 staffers arrived at the Kerry campaign headquarters in the Falls School Building on Eighth Avenue. Some were then dispatched to other newly opened offices around the state. Roeder says there could be twice as many staffers here by week's end.
Obviously, Kerry is trying to build momentum in Tennessee to capitalize on his recent successes elsewhere. His most top-shelf endorsement from a Tennessean has come from Memphis Congressman Harold Ford, of the politically influential Ford family. But a huge endorsement was set for this week, that being former Gov. Ned McWherter. Several of his close political allies were expected to follow suit. The top Kerry staffer in the state is Stephen Lindsey, who has worked in Democratic campaigns in Tennessee and is the son of influential Democratic fundraiser Cathy Thomas. At one point months ago, Lindsey had some help here in the form of a field director, but like dozens of other Kerry staffers from around the country, she was dispatched to Iowa to help in his victory effort there.
Other than Ford, Nashville attorney Bob Tuke is probably Kerry's other biggest ally in Tennessee. The likable Tuke first met Kerry in May 2002, in Nantucket, on the beach, where the two found themselves drinking beer, eating clams and talking politics. Tuke, a former Marine, had served in Vietnam. Kerry, as is now well known, had as well. There was more talk, more exchanging of ideas. "I became a real fan," Tuke says.
Fast forward to March 2003, and Tuke was asked if he would join the campaign. Despite suffering from general political exhaustion--he was active in Bob Clement's unsuccessful Senate bid in 2002--he jumped on board as Kerry's Tennessee finance coordinator.
In those early days, there was a fundraiser at the home of Nashville music producer Don Cook, and Tuke was able to get Kerry an audience in a Nashville airport meeting room with such influential Democrats as Jane Eskind and Charles Bone. (That visit was the one time Kerry came to Tennessee.)
The most visceral connection between Tuke and Kerry is Vietnam. "I told him that as a Vietnam Veteran he has made me feel better than I have in 32 years," Tuke says. As to Kerry's syrupy-sounding Boston accent, Tuke predicts Kerry will play here regardless. "First of all, he's a hunter. Always has been. He also was a prosecutor, and he's put people away for life. Obviously, he's a combat veteran and a hero. He'll sell here." Kerry also has some distant relatives in the state who live in Pulaski and Jackson, which is better than nothing.
"This is going to be a clash," Tuke says, referring to the general election in which Kerry is likely to compete. "I'm here to tell you we're going after these sons of bitches."
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By The Prowler
Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM
More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.
The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.
"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."
The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."
The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.
According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."
A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.
"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."
The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.
Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."
ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.
According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
BUMP!
This reminds me of CBS' defense that the sources verified the doc's "..at the time they were written".....something like that.
You'll want to read this.
Great post, lots to chew and excellent bona fides... it was a delicious read :-)
And if you were a forging Bob Schrum you've obviously got way, WAY too much intelligence to drop word processing superscripts into a 1970's memo LOL
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"The physical exam was scheduled for a couple of weeks after the Air Force changed its policy and decided to put drug testing into physical exams"
Does anyone know if this is true? On an earlier thread, I remember someone saying they didn't have drug testing back then.
Thnx!
That's why we think the docs came from the DNC/Kerry.
Jello has a higher IQ than the moron who typed these memos ;-)
Welcome aboard!
Ping
I've seen it mentioned by several folks in the National Guard back then that drug testing didn't start until the 80's and it was random, not set during the medicals.
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