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Killian Memos Crumpled and Smoothed Out
little green footballs ^ | 9/14/04 | lawhawk

Posted on 09/14/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by finnman69

Several LGF readers emailed to say that if you open one of the CBS News Killian memos in Photoshop and adjust the levels, crumple marks show up on the paper. So I tried it, and here’s the result:

This was probably done by the incredibly inept forger to increase the apparent “age” of the document, and to make the text appear more ragged.

I’ll bet that if the real printed originals of these documents ever turn up (say, in a dumpster behind MoveOn.org headquarters), they’ll find the idiot’s fingerprints on them.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; killian; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/14/2004 8:00:53 PM PDT by finnman69
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To: finnman69

Good work. Another piece in the puzzle.


2 posted on 09/14/2004 8:02:42 PM PDT by Pete
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To: finnman69

I thought this was an intersting piece of forensic analysis that could come in handy.


3 posted on 09/14/2004 8:02:44 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
To: CBS

All your forgeries are belong to us!

4 posted on 09/14/2004 8:02:54 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch! (and the MSM is FR's b*tch!))
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To: finnman69

This might explain why the MS Word docs don't match the copied forgeries perfectly, although they already are extremely close to perfect matches.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 8:05:23 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: finnman69

Seems to me forging government documents is probably a crime. Isn't it time for the FBI to look into this?


6 posted on 09/14/2004 8:07:29 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: finnman69

That could be important.


7 posted on 09/14/2004 8:08:33 PM PDT by Good.V.Evil (Eliminate voter fraud=Eliminate demonrats!)
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To: finnman69

If done with a "plug-in" filter for a Photoshop-type app (PS, PSP, for example), one can make any image appear as if it was printed on a crumpled piece of paper.

It's simple. It's quick.

It's yet another reason SeeBS is showing how out-of-touch they are, not only with the truth, but with the basics of the digital age in which we live.

It's all reminding me of the Magritte painting of a pipe that reads (in French), "This is not a pipe."


8 posted on 09/14/2004 8:08:34 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote for Osama")
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To: Kryptonite

Exactly!


9 posted on 09/14/2004 8:09:27 PM PDT by Good.V.Evil (Eliminate voter fraud=Eliminate demonrats!)
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To: finnman69

Cool

The next story fed the MSM from the dnc faux fax sheet is gonna get a loooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg look.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 8:09:28 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: finnman69

SO the original was crumpled up before it was smoothed out and photo copied? DId someone take it out of a trash can? Was it crumpled up to make it look like it was taken out of a trash can or just to make it look "used"?


11 posted on 09/14/2004 8:10:02 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Bush Democrats = Zell's Angels)
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To: finnman69
They just forgot to pour tea on it and gnaw at the edges ala Schindler's List with the Blauschein.
12 posted on 09/14/2004 8:11:16 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: finnman69

CBS still hasn't said what media they received the forgeries in: printed, faxed, or digital; if digital, what format?


13 posted on 09/14/2004 8:11:43 PM PDT by Quicksilver (I finally have a reason to really like Microsoft Word ... and I'm a proud citizen of Jammie Nation.)
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To: Chummy; All

Im thinking those Freepers out there who are good with photo shop should start adjusting contrast on ALL of the documents.

If there is the same wrinkle pattern on all of the documents it could mean the documents were all wadded up together at the same time. And that could mean either nothing or that they were intentionally wadded up together at the same time.


14 posted on 09/14/2004 8:11:44 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Exactly as some on here predicted had occurred.

Good post.


15 posted on 09/14/2004 8:12:20 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: finnman69

Nice!


16 posted on 09/14/2004 8:12:31 PM PDT by Good.V.Evil (Eliminate voter fraud=Eliminate demonrats!)
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To: All

Can someone check the contrast on the other docs and see if they same pattern exists, or even better, if it does exist, it is a match?


17 posted on 09/14/2004 8:13:02 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Dan Rather is toast!


18 posted on 09/14/2004 8:14:16 PM PDT by Good.V.Evil (Eliminate voter fraud=Eliminate demonrats!)
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To: finnman69
The lead expert retained by CBS News to examine disputed memos from President Bush's former squadron commander in the National Guard said yesterday that he examined only the late officer's signature and made no attempt to authenticate the documents themselves.

"There's no way that I, as a document expert, can authenticate them," Marcel Matley said in a telephone interview from San Francisco. The main reason, he said, is that they are "copies" that are "far removed" from the originals.

19 posted on 09/14/2004 8:14:23 PM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: Cubs Fan

Is it a hate crime?


20 posted on 09/14/2004 8:15:37 PM PDT by DaveyB (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: finnman69

It looks wrinkled :)


21 posted on 09/14/2004 8:16:16 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: finnman69

Ok. Now were talking 'Shroud of Turin'.

Quick - someone look at the negative image of this.


22 posted on 09/14/2004 8:16:55 PM PDT by kidd
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To: finnman69

Please check the document for Sandy Berger DNA. Secretary says Army speak used in docs.


23 posted on 09/14/2004 8:17:01 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: finnman69

"But, but, but its the content. Its the content I tell you." </sarcasm> </Blathermouth>


24 posted on 09/14/2004 8:17:04 PM PDT by oiler
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To: Chummy

I wonder if anyone has tried Photoshop filters with default settings to see if one can match the crumpled look. If that can be done . . .


25 posted on 09/14/2004 8:20:49 PM PDT by Quicksilver (I finally have a reason to really like Microsoft Word ... and I'm a proud citizen of Jammie Nation.)
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To: finnman69; Registered
Can someone check the contrast on the other docs and see if they same pattern exists, or even better, if it does exist, it is a match?

Maybe Registered knows someone who could.

26 posted on 09/14/2004 8:20:49 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("...you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.")
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To: finnman69
There's another interesting point here that I haven't seen anyone comment on. Try this one at home, kids!

Sign your name, print, or type something, whatever, on a sheet of paper. Take a black magic marker and line through it. Then make a photocopy of that document, or, to be more true to form, go through fifteen generations of copying. Hold the two up to the light. On the original, it's VERY easy to see the original information you marked out. On the final copy, though, it's impossible, because the photocopier only picks up the black mark, not the underlying writing.

This to me is incredibly damning evidence against CBS. They can't produce original documents because there aren't any.

They did up a MS Word document, photocopied it fifteen or twenty times, crumpled it up, and THEN blacked out the pertinent information. Otherwise, the info would NOT be visible through the blackout. It's physically impossible.

27 posted on 09/14/2004 8:21:46 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: kidd
Well here's a negative of the rather forgery, kinda spooky huh?!


28 posted on 09/14/2004 8:24:40 PM PDT by vger (asta la vista earthlinks!)
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To: finnman69

Yep...and if you look in the right hand corner, it appears that someone wiped their posterior with it. That's about all it's worth.


29 posted on 09/14/2004 8:29:06 PM PDT by edpc
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To: finnman69

Wouldn't that be a blast! Great idea, Finn . . .


30 posted on 09/14/2004 8:33:07 PM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: Tragically Single
The USA Today versions don't have the blackening. That's something that CBS put on prior to air time. It wasn't intended to be part of the forgery, just a half-assed legal artifact from the CBS lawyers. It's so nobody can complain, "Hey, I live at #5000 Longmont, and ever since you aired those documents, I've been receiving George W. Bush's junk mail! I demand redress!"
31 posted on 09/14/2004 8:33:42 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: kidd
Quick - someone look at the negative image of this.

If you read it backwards, is there a hidden satanic message?

32 posted on 09/14/2004 8:35:56 PM PDT by eggman (CBS Lied -- the Kerry Campaign Died)
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To: finnman69
Hmmm ... interesting.
It looks more to me like the paper had been sat on. Maybe one or more put into an 8 by 11 manilla envelope and put on the driver's seat while he or she drove to work.
Right under the signature ... that's fart deflection if I ever saw it !
33 posted on 09/14/2004 8:37:07 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: finnman69
I?ll bet that if the real printed originals of these documents ever turn up (say, in a dumpster behind MoveOn.org headquarters), they?ll find the idiot?s fingerprints on them.

I'm sure the original was shredded.

34 posted on 09/14/2004 8:37:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What's the frequency Kenneth?)
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To: mattdono

youhavenotchancetosurvivemakeyourtime!


35 posted on 09/14/2004 8:38:56 PM PDT by petro45acp ("I detest socialism.......and I VOTE!")
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Buckhead

ping


36 posted on 09/14/2004 8:41:17 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

If it was in storage for 30 years in Texas I would expect some mould, dry rot and termite activity.


37 posted on 09/14/2004 8:44:23 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: Chummy

"If done with a "plug-in" filter for a Photoshop-type app (PS, PSP, for example), one can make any image appear as if it was printed on a crumpled piece of paper."

I've done that more than a few times, but these results are not the kind you would get from graphics editor IMHO. I think it really was crumpled and smoothed out.

the uneveness of the paper would alter how well the photocopy laser would focus on different parts of the page, the tools I use to get a crumple effect doesn't do that.


38 posted on 09/14/2004 8:53:19 PM PDT by Grig
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To: hoosiermama

Do these crumple marks point towards Burkett as the source of the memos? He's the one that claimed he saw GW's recs go in the trash and there has already been some speculation about his possible involvement in this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077804/posts

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7099


39 posted on 09/14/2004 8:53:58 PM PDT by METT-T
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To: finnman69

Shouldn't there be at least ONE vertical or horizontal crease? It seems unusual that there isn't.


40 posted on 09/14/2004 8:57:12 PM PDT by ikka
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To: METT-T

Good point.....WIsh someone would take a good look at his hard drive!


41 posted on 09/14/2004 8:57:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Bush Democrats = Zell's Angels)
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To: Tragically Single

How's this? The CBS document and awolbush.com document don't show any blacking out of the address for the same May 4 document, but the CNN/USA Today/Fox documents online show no such blacking out. You can read the blacked out address at:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/bushang2.html
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/091004_bush_service.pdf
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf

Also the CBS document for May 19 "Memo to File" has underlining, and so does the awolbush.com but not the docs at CNN/Fox/UsaToday.

Coincidence that the 4 CBS documents and the same 4 awol.bush documents are named exactly the same? Maybe awolbush.com copied them from CBS or perhaps the other way??


42 posted on 09/14/2004 8:59:14 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: finnman69

Don't fall for this unless you are POSITIVE. Remember, Burkett said he got the memos out of the trash........this may be a diversion that leads to the blaming of Burkett to get CBS and Kerry off the hook.


43 posted on 09/14/2004 9:01:12 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: finnman69

I wonder if fingerprints leave markings that transfer to photocopies? I wonder if there are any filters that can be applied to pick up these markings?


44 posted on 09/14/2004 9:01:45 PM PDT by jporcus
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To: Tragically Single; Physicist

Now I get it about the black mark.


45 posted on 09/14/2004 9:02:13 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: finnman69
I noticed that the DUmmies haven't been saying much about the memos for the past few days but now they are weighing in again on this in their hilarious fashion. Here are some recent DUmmie posts on this topic:

To hell with the memos! I'd like to see the goddamned media focus on Bush's CURRENT record. (Which is only a continuation of his past record.)

Right. So CBS News presses ahead knowing that the documents... ...were forgeries? I don't think so. I bet for every one of the experts noted in the WP article, CBS has at least five stating that the documents are real.

There's nothing.. in the memos that is scandalous enough to warrant this level of hype over them being a possible forgery. So, what's all the fuss about?

If the documents are a forgery, only Karl Rove would have put those papers out there. It is consistent with his trickery. In the 2000 campaign, Rove put out braking news, the same day of the first debate, of a tape sent to him of Gore's debate strategy. No one ever saw the tape because it was all a lie placed by Karl Rove to steal news time away from the debate. Rove has played many of the same tricks in the past.

How do we know Karl Rove is not behind this ?

It's up to rove to prove he is not guilty of this Just like it's up to those that believe the docs are forged to prove they are forged.

There is NO evidence to collaborate forgery! That is why CBS is sticking to its story.

46 posted on 09/14/2004 9:02:30 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (I hereby nominate Buckhead as the FREEPER OF THE YEAR!!!)
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To: Physicist
The USA Today versions don't have the blackening. That's something that CBS put on prior to air time.

OK, didn't know that.

So much for my attempt to be like Buckhead. :)

47 posted on 09/14/2004 9:04:04 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: plushaye

Do you mean to say the same file names as digital files?


48 posted on 09/14/2004 9:04:26 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: eggman

"is there a hidden satanic message?"

Yeah. It says, "Paul is dead."


49 posted on 09/14/2004 9:07:16 PM PDT by Rocky (Heinz Kerry: 57 positions on any issue)
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To: Tragically Single

Don't worry, it's all good.


50 posted on 09/14/2004 9:10:54 PM PDT by Buckhead
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