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Russia rejects Powell's criticism, joins forces with Israel
World Tribune ^ | Wednesday, September 15, 2004

Posted on 09/15/2004 10:22:50 AM PDT by priceofreedom

Russia rejects Powell's criticism, joins forces with Israel

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Wednesday, September 15, 2004 HERZLIYA, Israel – While rejecting U.S. and EU criticism of its anti-terrorism reforms, Russia plans to adopt Israel's counter-insurgency methods in Moscow's war against Chechen rebels.

Russian officials said the government in Moscow has agreed to increase security cooperation with Israel and focus on counter-insurgency. The officials said the cooperation would include Israeli training and instruction on a range of issues, including aviation security and civil defense.

"We are being helped by your expertise in the field of aviation security," Vladimir Vasilyev, chairman of the Security Committee of Russia's parliament, told Israeli reporters.

Vasilyev and other Russian officials said security cooperation was already taking place, Middle East Newsline reported. They said teams from both countries were arranging meetings in an effort meant to learn the lessons of the Chechen takeover of a high school in North Ossetia in late August. Nearly 400 people were killed in the hostage episode.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, in an interview with Reuters, backed liberal criticism in Russia by saying the changes were "pulling back on some of the democratic reforms".

But Russia's foreign minister said Washington had no right to impose its model of democracy on others.

"First of all, the processes that are under way in Russia are our internal affair," Sergei Lavrov said.

"And it is at least strange that, while talking about a certain 'pulling back', as he (Powell) put it, on some of the democratic reforms in the Russian Federation, he tried to assert yet one more time the thought that democracy can only be copied from someone's model," Lavrov said.

Lavrov met Israeli leaders last week and signed an accord meant to pave the way for a joint effort against Islamic insurgency groups.

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I want to express my support that you're giving us to solve security isues," Vasilyev told Israeli reporters at an international conference in Herzliya, which ended on Tuesday. "We will also continue cooperation in the field of protecting public places and will use Israel's experience. To be smarter and tougher, we will have to prepare our citizens." Russian officials said Moscow was also examining the Israeli model of a civil guard, or auxiliary police, that can carry weapons and conduct searches.

They said this would require new legislation.

Israel and Russia also agreed to expand their intelligence exchange, particularly in the area of Islamic insurgency movements, officials said.

Officials said Israel would soon send a delegation of intelligence analysts to Moscow.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chechnya; israel; kissinger; napalminthemorning; nixon; russia; wot; yomkippur
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To: Alouette; SJackson; yonif
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

41 posted on 09/15/2004 11:33:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: freedomson

This is HUGE news!!! When did Carville decide to endorse the President?
42 posted on 09/15/2004 11:34:32 AM PDT by CurlyBill (John Kerry is PeeWee Herman in a Frankenstein costume)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

I agree. This is not the time to bicker over the consolodation of power in Russia or their attitude toward Chechnya. They just lost 350 people including children. We should be supporting their effort to go after our common enemy.


43 posted on 09/15/2004 11:35:52 AM PDT by CurlyBill (John Kerry is PeeWee Herman in a Frankenstein costume)
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To: priceofreedom
Putin is acting as instrument of God.
Something else that should be also in breaking news :

Ivan is approaching New Orleans, moving NW during the past hour (320)

and still we keep hearing that it is moving N !
44 posted on 09/15/2004 11:40:47 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: montag813
Yes, fortunately the deal does not include the Israelis being trained in the Russian expertise of getting themselves into bloody quagmires.

And the IDF will not start issuing rations of vodka to its soldiers.

45 posted on 09/15/2004 11:42:57 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Just mythoughts
However, one cannot claim that what replaced Hitler was better or more civilized.

Yeah, actually, one can make that claim. I certainly would.

46 posted on 09/15/2004 11:44:33 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2

"Yeah, actually, one can make that claim. I certainly would."

But of course you would.


47 posted on 09/15/2004 11:47:12 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: keats5; redgolum; A. Pole
You are incorrect - Putin is not doing away with all local elections. He is adopting the British and French models were regional officials are appointed by the central govt.

True fact - Don't be shocked - but London's mayor was appointed by the ruling party until 2000 when for the first time the mayor of London had to stand for office via direct election by the people of London - Londoners elected a communist!!

48 posted on 09/15/2004 11:47:50 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Just mythoughts
But of course you would.

Yes. Of course I would.

Is there anyone else here who would claim that Gerhard Schroeder is more civilized than Adolf Hitler?

Or, is there anyone else here who thinks the Social Democrats are as uncivilized as the National Socialists?

49 posted on 09/15/2004 11:57:24 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2

"Yes. Of course I would.

Is there anyone else here who would claim that Gerhard Schroeder is more civilized than Adolf Hitler?

Or, is there anyone else here who thinks the Social Democrats are as uncivilized as the National Socialists?"


Personally I see no difference in Hitler and his slaughtering and the modern day German making $$$$ of Saddam butchering and slaughtering his people under that scam of "OIL for rotten Food" program.


50 posted on 09/15/2004 12:02:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: CurlyBill

WWN also had such a story for Clinton in 1992. Soooo, this may become an important predictor of election outcomes in the future. ;')


51 posted on 09/15/2004 12:09:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: priceofreedom

Great news except for the zombie terrorist army of Allah


52 posted on 09/15/2004 12:17:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: nonliberal

I can't believe they are being criticized by our govt for extra security measures after 911. Of course, I think our security should be increased as well...


53 posted on 09/15/2004 12:18:38 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: priceofreedom

Use Israeli tactics or not. Russia still views Arab terror against Israel as terrorism which is not the same it faces.


54 posted on 09/15/2004 12:19:42 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: Just mythoughts; All

although I agree that Schroeder is a piece of %@#& He in no way compares to the maniac who directed the wholesale slaughter of 6 million Jews not to mention millions of others. so no, I dont agree with your statement at all.


55 posted on 09/15/2004 12:20:00 PM PDT by priceofreedom (On A Roadmap To Hell)
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The reason this is significant? The US has been increasing its influence in the Middle East since the 1973 Yom Kippur War, mostly at the expense of the Soviet Union and its Russian successor state. The Russians' last strong foothold was Iraq -- Saddam had been paying for the finish work on the most advanced Soviet/Russian fighter plane, until he ran out of cash and stuck them for a really big bill.

The US overthrew Saddam and liberated Iraq. The Arab League (see other thread) just called on all member states to recognize and fully support the US installed constitutional regime.

The Russians had also been working the other side of the street, building technical and financial ties with Iraq's enemy Iran. Although it appears that Iran is next on the US' hit list, I'd be surprised if that involves a US invasion or occupation of any kind, unless under UN auspices.

The EU is not enthused by US activity in the Middle East, because the bulk of their petroleum supply comes from there. Once the Middle East's hardcore dictatorships (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and to some extent Sudan) are replaced by modern democracies, the people in those countries will be fans of the US, and not the EU which was content with the dictatorships as long as the oil kept flowing.

The Russian tie with Israel is a return to base -- Stalin's USSR beat the US to recognizing Israel by about ten minutes, and Syria berated the Soviet Union for its support of the newborn Israeli state. Czechoslovakia-built fighter planes were some of the first fighters Israel had, and were the first it had in quantity (if memory serves). The Soviets and the US cooperated in a "crash" training program for Israel's airforce, which took place in Czechoslovakia.

Official Arab support for the PLO has been wavering for a while, and the only strong support (as in rhetorical) Arafat gets is from Libya. :'D Damn, that George Bush just doesn't understand the necessity for international coopera- oh, wait...
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

56 posted on 09/15/2004 12:24:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: yonif; All

"Arab terror against Israel as terrorism which is not the same it faces."
I agree, but then so does the U.S. and almost every other country in the world for that matter. luckily Adoshem watches over Israel. That is what counts. by the way, Shana Tova v'metukah everybody (happy new year) may it be a sweet one.


57 posted on 09/15/2004 12:29:36 PM PDT by priceofreedom (On A Roadmap To Hell)
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To: Destro
Interesting, didn't know that. But the French and English systems are more set up from monarchies.

In one way this is a smart move. There is probably people trying to influence the governorships (probably not the right title) and have some of the states break away. Putin's move may be to limit this.
58 posted on 09/15/2004 1:07:27 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum

The President of the USA's office was created to be a blending of the monarchy and Prime Minister as well. Senator's in America were appoined to the senate and not directly elected until just recently. This is a big move by Putin - a change in system - but it is not indicative of a dicatorship.


59 posted on 09/15/2004 1:26:10 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: redgolum

PS: The U.K. does not have a constitution nor any protection of individual rights.


60 posted on 09/15/2004 1:29:07 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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