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Posted on 09/15/2004 10:30:05 PM PDT by Bobby777
Founder challenges: Prove me wrong and I'll take down page
Claiming Muhammad's teachings are the root of terrorism, a website founded by an ex-Muslim attempts to dispel the oft-quoted statement "Islam is a religion of peace."
Headed by Ali Sina, FaithFreedom.org presents articles and commentaries that debunk much of the Quran and charge that Islam's founder, Muhammad, was a rapist, pedophile, mass murderer and an "evil man."
On the site, which features, the description "Islam and Quran denounced by ex-Muslims as the root of terrorism," Sina promises that if anyone can prove him wrong in his assertions about Muhammad and Islam, he will take the site off the Internet.
After presenting a list of charges against Muhammad, Sina writes, "Muslims are triumphalists and claim victory even when they are clearly defeated. A Muslim can never accept defeat. A Muslim's typical response to this site is: 'My faith in Islam grew after I read your site.' How can one's faith grow after reading the proof that the man whom he thought to be a prophet was guilty of all the above charges? Has anyone disproved any of those charges?"
Continues Sina: "I have debated with Muslims who claimed victory because according to them I have not proven that Muhammad's sexual relationship at the age of 53 with the 8 years 9 months old Aisha constitute pedophilia. I consider this a self-evident fact that needs no proof. I do not think there is any need to prove that day is bright and night is dark to a seeing person. And to [the] blind proofs are of no avail."
Besides Sina's writings, the site features other writers who delve into many different areas of Islam.
One section, for example, is called "Wives of the Prophet" and includes this introduction:
"The tales of Muhammad's wives and sex slaves are the most fascinating and also the most embarrassing part of the life of the Prophet. These are stories of lust, intrigues, mind games, jealousy and betrayal."
Another section attempts to disprove the alleged miracles of Islam.
Sina reads Arabic and, he says, uses only "the hadith, the Ibn Hisham's Sira and the Quran" when arguing against Islam.
Also featured on the site are the writings of historical figures that help make Sina's point, like this one from Winston Churchill:
"Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Muhammadan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
While Sina's site skewers Islam in many ways, it doesn't suggest a replacement religion.
Writes Sina: "My criticism applies to all religions. The very concept of God sending messengers to be known and worshipped is absurd. All those who come pretending to bring a message from an invisible god that only they can see are charlatans and their claims are bogus. I do believe in a higher Reality and a Single Principle underlying the creation, but not in an egotistic self-centered petulant deity as depicted by these self-appointed prophets."
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and Rushdie's comments were a work of fiction, mind you.
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Sheesh is that guy brave.
I agree ... that's some serious guts.
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Pray for this man.
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bump there
Quite nifty to see more news items like this.
islam is being unmasked for all to see.
i just spent some brief time on that site...
all i can say is wow. do they ever have GUTS.
this will be a valuable resource for me in the future -- thank you!
He makes what appear to be good points, but I wouldn't quote him in a debate. Luckily his arguments aren't for me. He's speaking to Muslims. Like many of you have already said, he's got guts.
Thank you for bringing attention to this site.
I doubt Ali Sina is his real name.
The new media will eventually bring down Islam, but it may take a few generations or so.
Thanks. I've been looking & reading on his site, and it is very interesting.
Bookmarked it; there's is a lot there, though probably a lot that is familiar to many on FR.
The difference is, he quotes the Hadiths as well as Quran to systmatically refute arguments presented by Muslims, including "authorities".
Navigation of his site is not the easiest, and it may take a while to find a specific topic, as there is not a site-search.
Great site! Thanks for posting this.
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Aallah, the moon god of the pagan tribes in Arabia had 3 daughters. They were worshipped with him. In the Quran, Mohound slipped up and recommended that these three daughters needed to be worshipped too. Later on, when he finally understood what monotheistic MEANT, he tried to make the moongod cult a monotheistic cult
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This man has no fear of living in a Christian or Jewish country. But he will be assassinated in a Muhammedan one.So he can damn all prophet driven religions but they don't all damn him to the point of death. He knows this and that's why his focal point is Islam.
Who better to debunk the moon god cult than a formerly brainwashed cultist?
If you want to get rich start a religion. That's what L Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, said. Mohammedanism got off the ground when the profit prophet promised his gang plenty of booty from their raids and wars. The method of booty distribution is laid down in Koran/Hadith with the profit prophet getting one fifth of all plunder (as I remember)
Cultists L Ron Hubbard and Charles Manson were punks compared to Mo'
10-4! That's it. Thanks for the clarification.
He speaks the truth, and I'm sure he's well-insulated from easy detection.
Oh if only conversion was so easy! It takes two and they aren't accepting the gift...yet. Great strip! Thanks!
Trashing ol' Mo is easy, even infidels can do it:
It's time we had the THE MYSTERIES OF ISLAM EXPLAINED!
Islam has long been a great mystery to the west, even to most scholars on
the subject. But not to worry!I know ALL ABOUT these things and I'd be more than happy to 'splain.
Long long ago, about fifteen hundred years, there lived an unemployed
illiterate pedophile maniac named Mohammad.
Mo had a lot of social issues and low self esteem.
~Mo 
Hammad~
The local goat market was in a slump and Mo was at a loss on how
to make a living and improve his lot, he lived in a cave out back of his dad's
place and was not happy. Mo hit upon the idea of picking one of the many deities
available and promoting this deity into the supreme god of gods with him as its prophet and spokesman.
He was a pretty shrewd fellow for an illiterate unemployed pedophile maniac and realized this
could be big mojo for him and end his poverty and pathetic miserableness.
Folks in Mo's neighborhood were pretty gullible and prone to believe anything at all.
In a local holy place called Mecca the folks worshipped all kinds of different
gods in a sort of holy grotto and had set up shrines to all the varied gods and stuff.
Mo hied himself to Mecca and found he thought highly of allah, the moon god.
Allah was in fact a rock, or a stone if you will, and was kind of an obscure god because.. well, ..it was just a rock.
Allah had two daughters who were pebbles and a bit later a great schism
erupted over whether it was OK to worship these pebbles too,
seeing as they were the daughters of allah.. turned out it was not OK.
The magical allah stone!
There was even a classical but obscure arabic song composed at
the time about allah the moon god (stone) which can be heard here.
Having selected which deity he would promote, Mo decided that a supreme god
of gods like allah the stone would need to have some pretty serious rules
and regulations and stuff if Mo were to truly profit from being a
prophet. So he sat his illiterate unemployed pedophile maniac butt
down and hacked out a whole crackhead's ranting of illogic and hate
and general oppresive negativity & fanaticism and called it the word
of allah, the rock, as told to him.. Mo, the prophet. (He had to dictate
this to a scribe, he could only manage to draw stick figures in the dirt by himself.)
More or less allah the rock's message (as told by holy Mo) was pretty much
about how only those folks who believed allah the rock's message
(as told by holy Mo) were any good at all and they should live more or less
like dogs and obey very strictly the laws laid down in allah the rock's
message (as told by holy Mo) and these were mostly about being a slave to
allah the rock and treating women like dirty boots and making obeissance to
allah the rock several times a day and performing obsessive-compulsive washing
acts and other kind of gross stuff that I won't go into right here or now.
Also, allah the stone gave the faithful all kinds of dietary restrictions.
Some say these may have been prompted by young Mo having been rejected
by a particular barnyard animal,
the scriptures are unclear.
All these things, while seeming kind of outrageous, were only for the believers, the faithful.
For the non-believers in allah the rock's message (as told by holy Mo), things were much worse.
According to allah the rock and holy Mo if you were a believer it would be
perfectly OK to lie, cheat, steal, rob, subjugate, tax, plunder, kill,
rape, mutilate, immolate, dismember, impale, decapitate, disembowel,
strangle, impoverish, enslave, kick, spit on or damn to hell anyone who was not
a believer.
The crowd went wild!
Oh, how the local folks ate this up! Like gravy on
biscuits they were all over it.
Amazingly, these folks for the most part don't drink any alcohol.
I find that incredible because it usually takes about 3/4 of a
bottle of Tequila for me to get anywhere even close to a mind-set like that.
Mo decided to go national with his shpiel about allah the rock's message
so he killed an elderly lemon vendor and stole his donkey and went on tour.
In every town and tent city and caravan Mo visited, he sold his fabrications
to all the goatherders and tentmakers and sheepshaggers he could and they mostly ate it up..
Mo was enthused and hired more scribes to jot down more rantings about how allah the rock commanded it's slaves to make a holy war whenever possible against all who disbelieve the supremacy of allah the rock.
The crowd went wild!
Ultimately, Mo was highly sucessful in a local fashion in convicing the various
goatherders and tentmakers and sheepshaggers of his time to convert completely to
the subjugation & worship of allah the rock and it's message (as told by holy Mo).
The faithful managed to enshrine the actual rock that embodies allah in the holy
area of Mecca, and they built a huge giant cube around it and now it has magical genies inside.
Mo's followers gave the name "islam" to this new exciting religion
of hate and oppression and mindless slavery to a moon rock that isn't even from the moon.
"Islam" roughly translated means: "We like the moon!"
Mo was mighty pleased with the way things worked out until he went to hell
but thats another story. Ultimately whole bunches of folks adopted the sacred
teachings of allah the rock and holy Mo.. they gather around the giant cube full
of magic genies and declare themselves slaves while prostrating suggestively.
It's quite a scene!
Also it is a fact that allah the rock left another piece of himself
lying about in Mecca strategically located near a bunch of vendors.. this holy
attraction is billed as the "black stone of allah" and is encased in
a sphincter-like arrangement into which the devout may place their heads.
Mo would have been proud!
I'm glad to have had this opportunity for us all to
learn more about fascinating islam. I'm sure there is even yet more to the story but
I've droned on long enough. Have a wonderful day and please remember that while allah
the rock might be an awesome powerful stone or whatever..
he is really quite afraid of the US Marine Corps.
Carry on!
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Dear "Humblegunner",
That is an absolutely sensational post. Creative, funny, to-the-point and colourful.
Well Done !!!
The founder of the site sounds like, an deist. :/
Yes faith freedom is great. The forum is a good place to read about those who left islam, and there is plenty.. In fact it seems weekly another will share their story. I would alos like to share 2 sites.. The first one is http://www.shoebat.com
bump to that!
..an most excellent post. I concur w/bandaneira. :))
What an image!
A metaphor for Islam, by Islam!
I thought you were joking until I checked on the URL for that pic and checked out the website.
It's for real. And, they even have 24/7 "news" coverage right her in the good 'ol USA! An "American" (or un-American you might say) version of Al-Jezeera here on our own shores. Here's the link for today's news: http://www.islamicity.com/islamitv/default.asp?ref=4855
What an image!
A metaphor for Islam, by Islam!
I thought you were joking until I checked on the URL for that pic and checked out the website.
It's for real. And, they even have 24/7 "news" coverage right her in the good 'ol USA! An "American" (or un-American you might say) version of Al-Jezeera here on our own shores. Here's the link for today's news: http://www.islamicity.com/islamitv/default.asp?ref=4855
Well done !
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When I first came up with it as a thread on our Chapter site,
everyone had that same thought.. I queried the Admin Moderator
here about it and was told not to post it. Even the old Admin chuckled, though! ;-)
Now that would be the target I would select if there is ever another terrorist attack on US citizens anywhere in the world.
I'd hit it with something that would leave a crater large enough to bury all the radical Muslims in. Every last one of them!
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