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Looking Evil in The Eyes
The Herald Times ^ | 9/16/2004 | James

Posted on 09/16/2004 6:02:23 AM PDT by xyxyxy

Looking in The Eyes of evil

“You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon” “Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis” “These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price”

These quotes from Usama bin Laden could be considered to be one of two realities, either Usama bin Laden is a mad man who is in complete disillusionment or that he is the embodiment of the peak in the clash of civilisation. The truth is that bin Laden is the number one enemy of the west but a hero to the majority in the east. Therefore; regardless of what the west thinks or wishes to believe about why the likes of bin Laden target the west, what need to be done is to study and analyse the roots of this wide spread support that he enjoys or at the very least the billions of his movement’s sympathizers.

In the Western political arena reasoning has become second-class to rationalization. Rationalization is nothing more than explaining one’s position after the fact. Some Western countries have become so drugged with power that they have afforded themselves the liberty of going in to WARs which result in thousands of deaths out of whims or sheer indication that there may be danger here or there. They have completely taken the liberty to kill and explain after the killings. Every time American jets or helicopters attack there are reports of children and women killed as a result. This terrifying trend has reached the point to where, by the American army standards, it is ok to have more collateral damage then the intended targets.

When are we going to stop assuming that our consultants and speechwriters have the intelligence required to cover our undoing? When are we going to realize that the world is wide-awake and we can no longer manipulate people by our polished rationalizatory speeches in our super medias? When are we going to sit on the table and try to truly study the true reasons why some people like Usama bin Laden choose to abandon the comfortable life their wealth could buy them and instead choose to be in frontline of resistance against us. Surely, we can not continue to provide poor excuses for resentful and vengeful people against us, hating our freedom is hardly a good excuse for people to put their lives in jeopardy in order to fight us. The questions we need to be asking ourselves are: Why isn’t Germany, china, or the Netherlands targets for the so-called terrorists? Don’t they have freedoms and civil liberties! We need to ask ourselves: Is it at all possible that the leaders whom we considered to be our front line friends have inadvertently squandered the wealth of Arabs especially in the gulf under our supervision and protection. Have we been in anyways overly sided with the Israeli state to the detriment of the Palestinian Arabs?

What we need to understand and contemplate is that Islam is to the Muslims as is “democracy” to the West. If we ass-U-me that our way of life is superior to that of the East then we have to realize that we are facing the billions of people who so staunchly are believers of deferent ideologies. Therefore, if we seek to use power to spread our ideology we must be prepared to face the billions of people who are not in line with what we believe in. Needless to say, it is a mission impossible to use force under the above circumstances, just as democracy spread throughout our countries in long periods we need to understand that it will take time to get our “superior” way of life to others. In Bill Clinton’s words: we cannot capture, jail or assassinate everyone who is in opposition to us.

No matter how much excuses we provide for the existence of Israel, we cannot contend the fact that the Palestians have, at the very least, the same rights to the land as does the Jews. If we continue calling resistance in Palestine as being evil while sanctioning the air strikes of the Israeli state that often results in the murder of children, then we are just building more opposition to whatever legitimate cause we may have. If we continue to assume that killing by laser guided missiles is more civil than killing by a suicide bomber we are wrong. If we assume that one kind of death is more the ending of life than another type of death we need to reconsider. “If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands”, I have never met bin Laden and quite indifferent to what he stands for, however, I must say that he has a point in what he says regarding Sharon. If we consider Sharon to be a man of peace, we must consider him to be that way too.

Instead of studying strategies on how to subdue others we need study ways to live in harmony with others. If we, for example, call the spreading of pornography in our societies as the symbol of democracy we must understand that others do not share the same feeling. Just as we wish the assistance of a checking point at Jordan Airport to minimize the smuggling of weapons or drugs into an airliner bound to our capitals, we would do a great service to Saudi Arabia by prohibiting the boarding of alcohol into an airliner that is bound to that country. That is just basic respect for other’s way of life.

I agree that all of what I propose requires a great deal of balance and care but doesn’t something as precious as harmony deserves that type of effort? The trick here is to understand and agree that people enjoy deferent types of civil liberties and democracies and therefore we should support democracies of each nation as that nation sees it fit so long that it is reasonable. For example, during the holly month of Ramadan, women are requested to dress in an Islamic manner, and therefore we must support that and not look at it as the infringement on personal freedoms. Just as our democracies go to the extent of being self destructive as to allow 18 and 19 old children to believe they are adults and in doing so lose the guidance of their much wiser parents and uncles, which often lands them into drugs and promiscuity, we must allow the natural way of Islamic living which assumes that a child is a child, no matter how old they get, until the parents die. Of course that may lead to oppression of some parents to their children just as affording teen-agers the right to chose lands them in trouble in the West. It is a game that requires genuine approach and requires an in-depth study and high level of tolerance and balance.

I am quite positive that should America decide to assume responsibility of it under doings, vow to start respecting other people’s way of living and denounce interference in other peoples affairs, we will have taken a great step to peaceful co-existence. If the mentality of America says acceptance of misjudgements means defeat and loss in its superpower status, that is grossly fallacious. If America were to change its tactics and start spending its wealth on educating the rest of the world, it would be far more effective in spreading its ideologies and the cost would be far less. If deep inside we start thinking and feeling about other people and other races as being no inferior to us things will change automatically. Just as an example, assume that South Africa’s white population was in poverty what would the West have done?? Well I suppose a hand of help would have been immediately extended. That is the spirit that should be directed to all races and nations regardless of differences as a price for peace and harmony.

Live and let live. “Muslims have children too”, one undisputable fact is that America will never be able to use its missiles and nukes to eliminate others even if it wanted to. It would be a suicide. Therefore; the logical approach is to dedicate its powers: economical, political and military to the advancement of the human race instead of using it to instil its superior position. That is at the very best childish. People in the house or the senate are all adults and therefore should start thinking and acting as adults. Remember that when humans argue a point they are seeking more to convince themselves then the other party. That shouldn’t be the case, the world hate-fuel has been sparked and what needs to be done is to extinguish the flames and start over. Anything different is futile.


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To: xyxyxy
"Muslims have children too”

Do you know what Muslims call their children?

Unexploded ordinances.

2 posted on 09/16/2004 6:05:38 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: xyxyxy

No, we don't need to study terrorists, we need to give them the dirt nap.


3 posted on 09/16/2004 6:06:09 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: xyxyxy; Americanwolf; AQGeiger; Arrowhead1952; Beaker; BenLurkin; baltodog; big'ol_freeper; ...
Some Western countries have become so drugged with power that they have afforded themselves the liberty of going in to WARs which result in thousands of deaths out of whims or sheer indication that there may be danger here or there.

BUZZZZ!! Oh, I'm sorry, that's the wrong answer. Thanks for playing, the Moderators have some lovely parting gifts for you at the stage door!

Oh, but Mr. Moderator, leave this one around a while - the Cats are hungry...

4 posted on 09/16/2004 6:06:48 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: xyxyxy

And, you are totally wrong!


5 posted on 09/16/2004 6:07:55 AM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Phantom Lord; xyxyxy

Muslim terrorists must be tracked down and killed, not negotiated with in any sense.

Oh wait, xyxyxy's gone... Nevermind.


6 posted on 09/16/2004 6:12:37 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: xyxyxy
Instead of studying strategies on how to subdue others we need study ways to live in harmony with others.
That's all well and good, and it's a a great idea in theory, but you can't live in harmony with a people that consider you to be an infidel. It just isn't going to work, sorry.
7 posted on 09/16/2004 6:12:58 AM PDT by Beaker (They're coming to take me away haha...)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Wow. that was fast. Do the Mods ever sleep??


8 posted on 09/16/2004 6:13:53 AM PDT by Beaker (They're coming to take me away haha...)
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To: xyxyxy

The Sad Kitty has a message for you...

9 posted on 09/16/2004 6:15:02 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: xyxyxy

10 posted on 09/16/2004 6:15:41 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Hey AdminMod, I want my very own Rather memo faxed from Texas thread too!!)
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To: Phantom Lord

“You attacked us in Somalia"

Wrong. I was a gunner for the lead LAV-25 that escorted the first FOOD convoy into Badera. Our mission was to get aid through to starving people - food trucks that your militia was raiding. We had to provide military escort to a humanitarian releif effort because of you animals.

Come out of your cave Osama. Lets have a chat.


11 posted on 09/16/2004 6:19:42 AM PDT by Fenris6
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To: xyxyxy
Here's you sign

Might want to find some cover, I think there is a storm brewing

12 posted on 09/16/2004 6:20:15 AM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: Phantom Lord

I have been lucky enough to travel around the world both as an American tourist and American soldier. Some insights I have picked up along the way:

I can honestly say, most of the world loves America and Americans. Even the French. They admire our "can do attitude," our eternal optimism, our individual independence and our absolute fearlessness in taking on "city hall" and the powers in charge. They are also very grateful for our generosity. Americans are by far the most friendliest and giving people (individual and collectively) on the face of the planet. I could present statistic after statistic, but just ask any bartender or waitress in any remote town of any third world country who would they like as customers, and they will reply "Americans."

Our enemies, who I have also met and talked with, believe this optimism and generosity are a weakness. They feel that any country foolish enough to try to help other people (instead of crushing them) or permits dissenting points of view is weak. They feel our wealth (ironically made by extremely hard work) has made us soft and unwilling to fight very hard.

Our course, they do not know our military history and ignore our fighting traditions and legends. They do not understand that Americans do not really want to make war and want nothing to do with conquering the planet (too much paperwork). We would rather stay home with our families, enjoy life and go to work. But if we must fight, then we go all out; that we will kill our enemies as fast and as a numerously as humanly possible, that we will bring relentless devastation and carnage to our adversaries and not stop until they are either dead or have surrendered. We want to get the miserable job of war done as fast, efficiently and as brutally as possible so that we can go home.

Our enemies look at our military as the strength of machines. They feel if we did not have our wonderful helicopters, F-16’s, Abrams Tanks, aircraft carriers, etc. that our soldiers would melt away. However, it is a rare event when an American soldier surrenders, even against overwhelming odds. The American soldier has slugged it out toe-to-toe with every enemy we have ever faced (even after all the wonder machines have broken down) and have always emerged the victor. This warrior spirit has been proven in regular army units, special op units and militia/National Guard units. It is not something that is taught, it is just always understood; that the soldiers of liberty and freedom will always defeat the soldiers of dictators and tyrants no matter what.

The men and women of the American Armed Forces understand that Freedom is not free. It has been purchased with a terrible price. American soldiers have suffered, bled and died under horrific conditions in dreadful places all across this hard world. Unlike most armies, Americans have put themselves in harm's way willingly. They fight not for treasure, glory or power but for an idea; that essential Liberty "shall not perish from the earth" as long as I can do something about it.

We should never take our liberty for granted. Since the dawn of humanity, tyrants have and will always try to gather more power by enslaving others. There is only one thing that they fear; when a free people look them in the eye and proclaim, "This we will defend."


13 posted on 09/16/2004 6:21:34 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: xyxyxy; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

Pig pile on the troll


14 posted on 09/16/2004 6:21:59 AM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: xyxyxy

In the infamous words of modern American youth....."WHATEVER".......now if you will excuse me, I need to go clean my BushMaster.


15 posted on 09/16/2004 6:22:23 AM PDT by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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To: Phantom Lord

Nuke Mecca.


16 posted on 09/16/2004 6:28:11 AM PDT by Max Combined
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To: Phantom Lord

The Nazi had children too. They lost over 25 million dead, no more Nazi in Germany. The only way to have peace is to destroy your enemy, total utter destruction.


17 posted on 09/16/2004 6:31:25 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Old Sarge

18 posted on 09/16/2004 6:33:31 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it. - - - Hear BS on See BS.)
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To: xyxyxy
Live and let live. “Muslims have children too” A pity those children of yours don't have Christian or Jewish parents... we wouldn't use children as bombs.
19 posted on 09/16/2004 6:33:54 AM PDT by piasa (Piranhas For Truth)
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To: Phantom Lord

Milord, I hope you have a thick skin - all the ZOT's are gonna get posted to you!


20 posted on 09/16/2004 6:36:47 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: Professional Engineer

PE, that is a most excellent ZOT!


21 posted on 09/16/2004 6:37:19 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: 2banana

Well said.


22 posted on 09/16/2004 6:37:45 AM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: xyxyxy
There is no moral equivalency among cultures or nations. The author should get used to it or else he'll soon lose his right to write drivel to some socialist or mullah-imposed rules, or end up like those 300,000 + Iraqis Saddam Hussein's cronies tortured and put in mass graves.

"Peace" doesn't end slavery, torture and slaughter. It just looks the other way...

23 posted on 09/16/2004 6:41:28 AM PDT by piasa (Piranhas For Truth)
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To: Phantom Lord

Phantom,

(Excuse this post coming to you but the moderator pulled the #1 post where I would normally put this.)

"James",

You wrote:

"...one undisputable fact is that America will never be able to use its missiles and nukes to eliminate others even if it wanted to. It would be a suicide."

I reply:

"No, it is suicide for you (the Ummah) to assume we would never reach point were we would use WMD against you without regard for the "innocent" (who strangely appear to care only for Muslim children and not ours) or the material destruction these weapons cause. Continue to attack us and you will find that point is a lot closer than you think. Once without constraint, you will be amazed at the real destructive capabilities of the United States once fully unleashed. It may be important to YOU that there are living Muslims in (fill in the favorite Muslim country of your choice) but I am rapidly reaching the point where it makes little difference to ME. One further comment, remember the United States has actually used nuclear weapons to end a war."


24 posted on 09/16/2004 6:44:08 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Captain Rhino

Jay Severin, subbing for Boortz last week suggested that President Bush should warn AQ and all Muslim countries that upon the next attack on America we will go "Truman On Your Ass."


25 posted on 09/16/2004 6:46:29 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Beaker

The AdminMods around here are ever vigilant, indeed. Wonder how they know so far in advance? Special software? I'd like to know how it all works behind that curtain...


26 posted on 09/16/2004 7:06:26 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Beaker

WE are the ones who need to learn to live in harmony?
Oh, you mean dhimmitude, don't you? Thanks, but no thanks.


27 posted on 09/16/2004 7:08:28 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: exnavy

WE are the ones who need to learn to live in harmony?!!?
Oh, you mean DHIMMITUDE, don't you? Thanks, but NO THANKS!!


28 posted on 09/16/2004 7:12:49 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Beaker

Beaker, Sorry, I got mixed up. . . I redirected my reply to xyxyxy . . .


29 posted on 09/16/2004 7:14:30 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Twinkie
WE are the ones who need to learn to live in harmony?
By "we" do you mean the United States? If that's the case, I didn't say that at all.
30 posted on 09/16/2004 7:16:27 AM PDT by Beaker (They're coming to take me away haha...)
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To: Twinkie
Twinkie:
OK no worries. :-)
31 posted on 09/16/2004 7:17:08 AM PDT by Beaker (They're coming to take me away haha...)
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To: Slings and Arrows

LOL I loved the sad kitty post.


32 posted on 09/16/2004 7:20:39 AM PDT by Beaker (They're coming to take me away haha...)
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To: xyxyxy
"Live and let live. “Muslims have children too”,"


33 posted on 09/16/2004 7:34:11 AM PDT by DocRock (Why don't the RNC protesters come down here and help clean up after Charley and Frances?)
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To: xyxyxy
Hey xyxyxy, pull my finger!
34 posted on 09/16/2004 7:36:54 AM PDT by DocRock (Why don't the RNC protesters come down here and help clean up after Charley and Frances?)
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To: xyxyxy
The author of this piece can't seem to present one coherent thought. His writing runs the gambit from (paraphrasing) "that's just the way they are leave them alone" to "we need to invest everything we have to change their culture".

Childish, unreadable, bird cage liner.

35 posted on 09/16/2004 7:44:20 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Old Sarge

I'm alway late for the action. I'll work on it.


36 posted on 09/16/2004 7:52:40 AM PDT by fritzz (Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton)
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To: scott0347

37 posted on 09/16/2004 8:08:49 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: xyxyxy; Old Sarge; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; mhking; ...
He's dead, Jim.
(Click here or on the pic).



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.


38 posted on 09/16/2004 8:14:52 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: xyxyxy
Your idiocy makes me sleepy.


39 posted on 09/16/2004 8:21:09 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: xyxyxy; MeekOneGOP

Oh man, you have had it!!!
ZOT you got!

40 posted on 09/16/2004 8:22:08 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (Poetry is my forte. ~Keep your eye on this tag line -more clues forthcoming.~)
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To: xyxyxy

Some light reading while we warm up the tar

41 posted on 09/16/2004 8:32:04 AM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: MeekOneGOP

42 posted on 09/16/2004 8:43:28 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Twinkie
For example, during the holly month of Ramadan, women are requested to dress in an Islamic manner, and therefore we must support that and not look at it as the infringement on personal freedoms.

And it's obvious that schoolgirls should burn to death rather than be seen outside without their religious garb.

This nutsack is claiming the right to tell women how to dress during his "holy" month. I got yer holy month right here, bozo.

The totally intolerant demanding unquestioned acceptance.

43 posted on 09/16/2004 8:48:05 AM PDT by jimt
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To: xyxyxy
I know one thing for certain, the citizens of Russia understand the depth of radical Islamic evil. Evil so demonic that the perpetrators not only killed innocent school children but raped them.

That’s right, raped them. You didn’t read that in the Washington Post did you? Can somebody please tell me what raping children has to do with the supposed noble cause of Islam?

Why can’t the world see that we are dealing with a global situation being carried out by animals masquerading as human beings?

Wake up Planet Earth, a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist no matter what their ethnic background and until they are destroyed down to the last scumbag there will be no safety for anybody.

These people are not bound together by race or nationality. They are bound together by a sick ideology.

Do you think that the terrorists we’re fighting in Iraq are different from the ones who attacked the U.S.A. on 9-11 or murdered over three hundred Russian men women and children recently?

Are the ones who bombed the U.S.S. Cole and our embassies in Africa any different from the ones who tried to bring down the Trade Towers the first time or the ones who dragged the dead body of a young American soldier through the filthy streets of Somalia?

Do you think that the ones who slowly beheaded a man in Iraq are different from then ones who blew up the two Russian aircraft a few weeks ago?

No they’re no different, they’re all murdering pieces of filth who will keep on plying their satanic trade until they are shot down like the rabid dogs that they are.

And the only way that will happen is for the world to get off its politically correct posterior and treat this problem like what it is, a danger to every free man, woman and child on earth.

Time to fight fire with fire.

44 posted on 09/16/2004 9:14:49 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: bentfeather
haha! Love that GIF. :^D

45 posted on 09/16/2004 9:16:29 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: xyxyxy; MeekOneGOP
A walk through the ocean of xyxyxy's soul...
46 posted on 09/16/2004 9:23:37 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Lady Jag
LOL!

47 posted on 09/16/2004 9:39:54 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: xyxyxy
I totally agree with the man, we need a more objective approach
to how we deal with our fellow man around the world....


48 posted on 09/16/2004 9:42:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: metesky; Happy2BMe
hahahaaa!

49 posted on 09/16/2004 10:04:10 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Phantom Lord
Looking Evil in The Eyes

I didn't comment on the article because I didn't read it. I disagree with the premise of the first few sentences.

I don't mean to be rude, but Evil doesn't need to be understood. Evil needs to be destroyed. Maybe we're not convinced this brand of Islam is evil. If we're not, then we should not call it evil. If we are, then the answer is destruction. Complete and total destruction. Either we wil destroy it, or it will destroy us. Evil doesn't suffer a middle ground.

Shalom.

50 posted on 09/16/2004 10:17:34 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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