Posted on 09/16/2004 12:48:14 PM PDT by JustAnotherSavage
Pair Charged With Terror Recruiting in U.S. Thursday, September 16, 2004
WASHINGTON — Two men were charged Thursday with providing financial support to terrorists and recruiting terror group members, including one person identified by U.S. authorities as alleged "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla (search).
A 10-count grand jury indictment handed up in federal district court in Miami charges Adhan Amin Hassoun (search) and Mohamed Hesham Youssef (search) with providing material support to terrorists and conspiracy to provide support.
The indictment contends Hassoun helped recruit individuals from the United States for groups engaging in Islamic "jihad," or holy war, in countries such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Chechnya and Kosovo.
Attorney General John Ashcroft (search), who announced the charges at a news conference, said accusations against Hassoun and Youssef include a conversation in September 2000 in which they discussed supporting the travel of a U.S. citizen who had applied to attend a terrorist training camp in the Middle East. The citizen, who Ashcroft did not name, returned to the United States in May 2002.
Two federal law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity identified that person as Padilla......
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
bumpus!
Adhan Amin Hassoun and Mohamed Hesham Youssef
muslims? What a shock, (Not!).
Try them, prove the charges, then shoot them.
If you simply deport them, they'll be back, one way or another.
To eliminate a cockroach infestation, you have to start squishing some roaches.
I have not made my mind up about Slobadan Milosevic, and the media will not cover his trial,but his words in his trial are telling about what happens to a country with no control over illegal immigration. We have the threat of terrorists crossing the borders at will.
Rueters:
He accused the Clinton administration of supporting the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), describing them as "Islamist terrorists" and saying that support laid the foundations for the September 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. cities.
"The Clinton administration throughout its time in office applied these double standards which has turned very aggressively against themselves which can be seen by what happened on September 11," he said, speaking through an interpreter.
Milosevic, a Belgrade law school graduate, tackled the Austro-Hungarian Empire, World War One, Nazi Germany's occupation of countries in the Balkans, U.S. foreign policy and the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 in his opening statement.
AND
“So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about."
Milosevic quote from internat'l court transcript:
http://www.un.org/icty/transe54/020927ED.htm
"To eliminate a cockroach infestation, you have to start squishing some roaches."
Bump that!
"Where is FR's FREE PADILLA crowd?"
Please tell me there isn't one............
FYI
They're hiding....
"Try them, prove the charges, then shoot them."
I love logic.
How long until they are released?
"How long until they are released? "
I'm sure there are lawyers trying to do just that as we speak. And since lawyers are the majority in Congress and everything else, except where they belong as in the Justice Dept. , that scenario will probably get worse before it gets better.
/extreme sarcasm
Off to Gitmo Bay with 'em.
The least we could have done would have been to stay out of that mess. No reason for us to actually side with the Muslims and bomb the Christian population of Serbia into the stone-age.
But, I guess it was worth it: it made Wesley Clark into a rock-star (anyone hear Kerry today gush on and on about Wesley Clark's greatness -- he "won the war in Kosovo" don't you know.) Clark is a pig, and the zest with which he bombed Serbian churches during Easter vigil services told me all I ever needed to know about him... Doesn't surprise me that Kerry, whose bravest act in war was to run down shoot a wounded fleeing native in the back, would find Wesley Clark to be his idea of a real hero.
Padilla is a US citizen, right? So he should have access to a lawyer.
Sure would hate to give president Hillary the power to hold US citizen's without access to an attorney.
Amazing that many have the power of hindsight but seriously lack foresight.
Only when you construct the hypothetical. Of course the case is a legal quandary in US law. The facts of his apprehension remain. The circumstances dictate wrangling to keep this guy BEHIND BARS. This is a decision of what is right, weighed not only by the thousands that perished on 9/11 but that this guy wanted to kill. He was stopped cold before damage resulted and now do-gooders clamor "What rights?" Piss on your rights, you are living. Maybe you'd think different if you were living in the high rise that he was scouting to blow up, doubt it. Thats hypocrisy.
Remember it's Hillary who releases terrorists.
"Only when you construct the hypothetical"
You sound like john kerry - don't want to touch the hypothetical. Dodging the real issue because you can't defend it.
That's all you're doing: Dancing around the real issue. Throwing out more hypotheticals while complaining about one. It's rather pathetic. A little flowery language here, a jab about how we're lucky to be alive there, and pretty soon, you've avoided the issue entirely. Good job!!
The truth is there are constitutitonal principles that need to be followed for a US citizen. Give him access to an attorney and the right to a trial. If you need to seal the records of the trial, fine. If you need to have an independent monitor for the conversations with the attorney, fine. If you do all that and he's found guilty, punish him. But until he is found guilty, he's merely accused of a crime.
That's the real issue here. Accused. Not convicted. Not by you. Not by the public. Not by a judge. Accused.
And yes, you are a hypocrite. It's evident in how you dodge this repeatedly. So let me ask you directly:
If hillary were to become president, would you support her having the power to declare an american citizen an 'enemy combatant' and hold them in the US indefinitely without trial AND without access to an attorney?
Be careful ceding too much power to the government, because one day someone you don't like may be running it.
The answer is an unequivocal yes. I see you make the careful destination of noting citizenry status. Really in the scope of the terror war, which is a military tribunal issue, the traditional "I have one phone call" plea is out the window. We played softball by dealing with international terrorism as a law enforcement issue and lost many lives because of that. It's not going to happen again. Like it or not. I particularly DON'T like it, but support it. I don't like under the guise of war to many things i.e pass pork legislation, gun control, curfews, etc. There is a line though that government can cross, you just don't see it, because you lack intellect. Padilla, Hamdi and Walker all get more than they should, if they live. Don't try to bait me with democrat ad hominem arguments, both Roosevelt in '42 and Truman in '46 did there part in protecting America from saboteurs.
You know, I don't mind so much about those who they recruited for terrorism overseas, it is the sleeper cells they created in the States that I would worry about. Shipping Islamowackos over seas is not a bug, it is a feature.
That is not how they are treating suspected terrorists. It's not how it is set up. And they hold them with just cause. And it is written law that they can do it.
So if we catch another Atta, we should give them a lawyer so they can get out on bail?
Sweet.
Not only were these sneaky fifth columnist recruiting jihadists for Kosovo, but also for Chechnya. Besides the KLA and the "Bosnian" islamists, the Chechen bandits are another group that is a darling of the "human rightsers" in our country!!!!
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!!
"The least we could have done would have been to stay out of that mess. No reason for us to actually side with the Muslims and bomb the Christian population of Serbia into the stone-age.
But, I guess it was worth it: it made Wesley Clark into a rock-star"
You may have seen this letter in Stars and Stripes already, but here it is again. I can imagine that Kerry has a slot for Mr. Clark in his administration....can you imagine!!
European edition letters for the week of October 13 - October 19, 2002
October 17, 2002
Gen. Clark
The article “Still no decision on Kosovo medal” (Oct. 8) said “Pentagon brass” ensured a waiver was granted so that Gen. Wesley Clark receive the Kosovo Campaign Medal, the first one minted, at his retiremen ceremony in 2000. The waiver was necessary because Gen. Clark’s service didn’t meet the criteria for the award, even though he led the international alliance in its “78-day blitz” against Yugoslavia. An earlier article, “Army can’t explain how Clark got medal” (June 16, 2001) said, “The Army is at a
loss to explain who granted a waiver awarding retired Gen. Wesley Clark the Kosovo Campaign Medal,” and that, “After four months of repeated queries, Army officials say they’re still not sure who approved the medal.”
To date, we still don’t know who granted Gen. Clark the waiver. I guess that’s one of the unsolvable mysteries of that era, like law firm billing records. In the meantime, as the story said, thousands of others who supported the campaign at bases in England, Spain, Germany, Turkey and even the United States are still waiting to learn if waivers for their eligibility will be approved.
As a Vietnam combat veteran who had “awards and decorations” as an additional duty, I can understand the intricacies of determining who deserves the medal. Given the scope of the campaign, virtually everyone in the military, active and Reserve, contributed in some way. If the criterion is based on a combat zone defined as “in and around the Balkans,” Gen. Clark certainly does not deserve the medal, even given that vague definitionof the combat zone. Gen. Clark led the campaign from Mons, Belgium. If the waiver was based on Gen. Clark’s contribution to the campaign being more important than that of the ground support troops at places such asRhein-Main Air Base, Germany, or Whiteman Air Base, Mo., then maybewe should look at just what his contribution was.
In his book “Waging Modern War,” Gen. Clark wrote about his fury to learn that Russian peacekeepers had entered the airport at Pristina, Kosovo before British or American forces. In the article “The guy who almost started World War III,” (Aug. 3, 1999), The Guardian (U.K.) wrote, “No sooner are we told by Britain’s top generals that the Russians played acrucial role in ending the west’s war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if NATO’s supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport, threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the Cold War. ‘I’m not going to start the third world war for you’,General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo’s provincial capital.”
Gen. Clark’s buddy in Kosovo was Hashim Thaci, the leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which, according to the Belfast News Letter (Northern Ireland) of July 30, is engaged in sex slavery, prostitution, murder, kidnapping and drugs. The Daily Telegraph reported on Feb. 19 that “European drug squad officers say Albanian and Kosovo Albanian dealers are ruthlessly trying to seize control of the European heroin market, worth up to $27 billion a year, and have taken over the trade in at least six European countries.”
Another Clark buddy was Agim Ceku, who commanded Croatia’s army during “Operation Storm,” when ethnic Serbs were driven out of their ancestral homes in the Krajina region of Croatia in 1995 in what columnist Charles Krauthammer described in Newsweek on April 5, 1999, as “the largest ethnic cleansing of the entire Balkans wars.” This is the same Gen. Ceku who commanded the KLA.
The shortsightedness of Gen. Clark’s consorting with KLA thugs, whom he is largely responsible for putting into power in Kosovo, is borne out by the Washington Times article “Kosovo Albanian attitudes change; Some see U.N., NATO as foes.” (Sept. 21). It said, “Where once NATO troops were greeted with cheers, those cheers have now changed to anger and occasionally violent protests since the arrest of several leaders of the former Kosovo Liberation Army.”
...snip....
In my opinion, Gen. Clark is the kind of general we saw too often during the Vietnam War and hoped never to see again in a position of responsibility for the lives of our GIs and the security of our nation. That it happened once again we can thank that other Rhodes scholar from Arkansas.
Col. George Jatras (Ret.)
Sterling, Va
"Nobody would stand for that then."
I hope you are right. Things change when a country is at WAR.
Normally, I would agree with you - if Padilla was your normal citizen. But with the war on Terror, the laws have changed.
Thanks for the link. These are the things that help me make it through the day.
Padilla is a terrorist, and they know that. They knew it when they arrested him. That is the difference.
"The truth is there are constitutitonal principles that need to be followed for a US citizen. Give him access to an attorney and the right to a trial."
This is not a criminal case. This is a case of a POW during war. The constitutional rules are different.
All of your arguements on this are the same ones that Bill Clinton used after the first WTC bombing in 1993. That was an act of war that was treated like a criminal matter and therefore helped get us to the 9/11 attack. War is not a criminal matter and should not simply be treated as such.
You have brought in the Branch Davidians also. That was not a war, that was possibly a crime, but it was treated like a war. Do you not see that the Branch Davidians were no national security threat? Do you not see that terrorists are a national security threat. There is the difference in the two.
"I want them to charge Padilla or let him go. Is that the same thing to you? I don't think it's right to hold an American citizen in jail for years without bringing charges against him."
Do you think is it right to hold a POW in prison until the war is over? Padilla is, in essence, a POW for the other side. Yes he is also a citizen of the US, but he is not being held for a crime, he is being held as, in essence, a POW for the other side.
Related to Stella and James George, I take it?
Too bad that doesn't fit for a tagline. Very nice sentence, thanks.
Yes.
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