Posted on 09/16/2004 1:32:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
You're right Luis. You're a genuis and I am a complete idiot.
See you.
Amen brother!
I think the answer is obvious. The Chechens are relying on the moral support they receive from a select minority right here on our very own FR.
You equate the Russia of today with the Soviet Union of yesterday...and you defend criticism of their mortal enemies, the al Qaeda-allied Chechens.
Great history lesson. Now back to the topic.
I know...the Russians of today fighting a bloody war against Chechnya since 1994, are not the same ones who fought a bloody war against Afghanistan from 79 to 89.
They have a different flag and everything.
I recall reading that they were attacked by both sides.
Luis, another words, you have utterly marred judgement. I'm sure you've had this argument ad nauseum on this forum, but the behavior at the Beslam school is hardly an aberration in Muslim world.
This is similar to what is wrong with the Europeans. By not being able to psychologically reconcile themselves to the unpleasant truths of Islam they lash out and blame Israel and the US.
If you cannot get it together--still--on this basic, defining point, you're lost and all your assumptions formed
without this understanding are denial-of-reality intellectual failings.
The Russians no more need a terrorist state in their midst than do the Isrealis. We need to let them do whatever they deem fit no matter how heavy-handed it may seem by our standards.
And unfortunately, a large number of them work in fundraising or teaching, or just supporting terrorism in other ways - editing snuff films, perhaps. There are some innocents to be sure, but not in the huge numbers you seem to be claiming.
Sources please. As Daniel Pipes(?) seems to believe that those supporting the terrorist amount to 10% of the 1+ billion Muslims in the world granted this is a very large number but it's only 10%).
Keep them on their little red toes.
If the Germans betrayed them later it wouldn't surprise me. But the Chechens did indeed collaborate with the Nazis. Check google for info. Here's a start.
In any case, my comment in Post 338 was in response to Luis's lashing out with the 'Nazi' label to all who opposed him. If he can do it, then why can't we all?
Thanks for the link.
"But when Chechen forces were accused of collaborating with the Germans during the Second World War,"
I'd be interested in any sources that you or anyone has on this. I've been looking but so far no joy.
One thing I think (hope) we can all agree on is the Caucasus is an area that has.....history and many of the people there really don't like each other. Unfortunatly this is the way of the world.
Hey Valin, I'll try to do some research on it later, but it won't be before Monday (I've got an all-day beer-n-barbeque to get to by noon -- it's gonna be a rough weekend!)
Re your posts to my 315...I was being sarastic. No tyrant who has ever set freedoms aside for a 'crisis ' has been in a hurry to hand them back.
That said I do mourn Putin's open seizure of power because his abiliteies would have been a formidable asset to a truly new Russia rather than a modern remake of the Soviets....
I've got an all-day beer-n-barbeque to get to by noon -- it's gonna be a rough weekend!)
Now be good! Try it, I mean it doesn't work for me but it might for you.
I knew you were being sarcastic.
One billion Muslims in the world, eighty percent of them living outside of the Middle East. Even if the entire Muslim population of the Middle East behaved as these guys did, which they do not, their behavior would still be an aberration in the Muslim world.
The six nations in the world with the highest number of Muslims are (in sequence): Indonesia (Republic), Pakistan (federal republic), India (federal republic), Bangladesh (parliamentary democracy), Turkey (republican parliamentary democracy), and Egypt (republic)...all fairly stable nations. The last four nations making up the top ten nations in the world in Muslim population are Iran (theocratic republic), Nigeria (republic transitioning from military to civilian rule), Ethiopia (federal republic, oldest independent country in Africa, and one of the oldest in the world - at least 2,000 years), and Morocco (constitutional monarchy).
The "Muslim world" isn't Syria, and Chechnya, and Sudan...they're the aberrations giving the rest of the Muslims a bad name.
That is a brilliant summation.
More interesting read included.
Luis, I'm entirely aware of the demographic spread of the Islamic world, thank you. The listing of the Demographics hardly establishes your point. Syria, Chechnya, and Sudan
are hardly what brings Islam into disrepute--they are consonant with 14 centuries of Islamic history and Muslim behavior all around the world today.
If you cannot recognize the obvious, or are in a contained-hysteria denial-of-reality, further discussion about it with someone on a message board forum is not going to influence your opinion. I'm sure you've been involved with these discussions before and simply refused to accept what others are telling you. Being wrong on a key issue like this is what brings people to a morally inverted view of reality--like the European's ideological outlook today.
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