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Federal agents surround ranch in Douglas, Arizona(VIDEO!)
KVOA-TV-Tucson/AP ^ | September 16, 2004 at 5:00PM MST | KVOA-TV-Tucson/AP

Posted on 09/16/2004 10:16:04 PM PDT by Conservative Firster

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An FBI agent shot an acquaintance of a border watch group member while trying to serve an arrest warrant, FBI officials said Thursday.

The shooting happened about 11:15 p.m. Wednesday in a grocery store parking lot in Douglas along the southeastern Arizona border with Mexico.

According to the FBI, the agent was trying to serve an arrest warrant on Casey Nethercott of Douglas. Nethercott is a known member of Ranch Rescue, a group that works to protect private property along the southern U.S. border.

Ranch Rescue and several other unauthorized groups have been patrolling along the border looking for illegal immigrants, raising concerns among migrants rights groups about potential abuses.

At the time, Nethercott was with 22-year-old Kalen Riddle, also of Douglas.

Charlene Thornton, special agent in charge of the Phoenix FBI office, said that "actions taken by Nethercott and Riddle led one of the FBI agents to fire his weapon."

The FBI would not elaborate and said it won't release the name of the agent who fired the shot, in keeping with FBI policy.

Riddle was airlifted to a Tucson hospital, but FBI officials did not know his condition.

Nethercott was arrested Wednesday and is in federal custody. An FBI spokeswoman confirmed agents searched Nethercott's Douglas ranch on Thursday afternoon.

The warrant the FBI was trying to serve alleges that Nethercott threatened Border Patrol agents.

According to the warrant, Nethercott refused to pull over for Border Patrol agents on Aug. 31. After a slow-speed chase, the warrant said that Nethercott entered "a compound in Douglas occupied by members of Ranch Rescue." Riddle was identified as one of the people there.

Agents said the Ranch Rescue members were heavily armed and had night vision equipment.

After Border Patrol agents yelled for Nethercott to show his hands, the affidavit says Nethercott refused, and responded:

"I'm going to take care of this myself, we're going to have a shootout."

The affidavit does not say how the standoff ended.

There was no listing for Riddle in Douglas. A phone message left Thursday at a residence listed for Nethercott was not returned.

Nethercott, 37, has a criminal record. He was convicted of assault with a firearm in California and was on parole when he joined Ranch Rescue.

In June, he was also found guilty by a Texas jury of felony firearm possession. The jury was deadlocked on a second charge that accused Nethercott of pistol-whipping an illegal immigrant near a Texas ranch.

Douglas rancher Roger Barnett, who is not part of Ranch Rescue, supports the measures Nethercott took to stop illegal immigration.

He compared the shooting of Riddle to Branch Davidians, who fought federal agents in Waco, Texas.

"Citizens have to get out and protect themselves," Barnett said. "And this is what it leads to."


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So it begins. The citizens trying to protect their property and their country have become enemies of the state. Illegal aliens have become a protected class free to trash and harass private property and its owners.

SO MUCH FOR BUSH'S "OWNERSHIP SOCIETY".

I GUESS RANCHES ONLY IN CRAWFORD TEXAS ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

1 posted on 09/16/2004 10:16:04 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: Conservative Firster

Hate to say it, this is the one thing that forces me to hold my nose while voting for Bush. I love everything else about him, but immigration drives me bonkers. I pray that he takes a turn to the right after being reelected.


2 posted on 09/16/2004 10:18:08 PM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Conservative Firster

hmmm... I think you mistook this place for the Liberty Post.


3 posted on 09/16/2004 10:18:19 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

"The ranch was heavily armed."


4 posted on 09/16/2004 10:21:33 PM PDT by pilgrim
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To: Crazieman
Hate to say it, this is the one thing that forces me to hold my nose while voting for Bush.

So, you're OK with:

- Huge increases in vote-buying Federal spending, like the "free" pills for Greedy Geezers?
- The full-frontal assault on the First Amendment and free political speech?
- Continuing attempts to squish the few "loopholes" that allow 527s like the Swift Boat Vets to speak out?
- Cozying up to Fat Teddy Kennedy on so-called "education"?

etc. etc.

5 posted on 09/16/2004 10:21:42 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


6 posted on 09/16/2004 10:22:12 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Hank Rearden

No, not okay with those either. Signing CFR got me angry too.


7 posted on 09/16/2004 10:22:52 PM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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To: Hank Rearden
sKerry is no better though. I hate to say it, but we need sane Democrats to force GOP politicians to stay principled. Do you think Bush would have pulled this crap if he thought he;d be facing Joe Lieberman this year?
8 posted on 09/16/2004 10:25:07 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Conservative Firster

You misread the fine print that said it was an ownership society for Mexico.


9 posted on 09/16/2004 10:25:42 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Conservative Firster
Same garbage used to justify Waco and the latter shootings in Idaho. The Border Patrol doesn't. They can id. and confront a US citizen but they can not perform their real job of (see their name). If its because of politics, funding etc. that can be straightened out if they holler loud enough. Rating out US citizens to the FBI is not hollerin.
10 posted on 09/16/2004 10:27:40 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
sKerry is no better though.

So why has there been zero pressure on Bush to shape up? "Praying" for him to reform after he's reelected is far too late. He needs to be scared of losing his job now.

Conservatives need to extract promises to cut spending, stop the attacks on the First Amendment and fix the illegal aliens now.

Otherwise, he'll be the same RINO he's been for 4 years. Mark my words; if he coasts to reelection, watch deficits and illegals explode in numbers.

11 posted on 09/16/2004 10:31:28 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Conservative Firster

I'm not going to assume the government was the bad guy in this mess. Although I appreciate what the militias in southern AZ are trying to accomplish, they have to be careful they don't turn into vigilante organizations. Let's wait for the facts -- we turn into DU-style blame America firsters.


12 posted on 09/16/2004 10:33:02 PM PDT by inkling
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To: Conservative Firster

Interesting how the Mexican drug cartels can pretty much do as they please -- the other week some Mexicans came over and executed a guy at a Whattaburger and the FBI nor police can do anything about it. An American protecting private property though -- and they'll be there right away.


13 posted on 09/16/2004 10:33:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Hank Rearden
My thinking is we get him in because of judges. I can't guarantee miracles with him but you know there'd be no hope with sKerry unless we get a Souter-in-reverse.

The trick will be pressuring Congress to rein him in and then preparing for a knock-down-drag-out in 2008 to make sure a true conservative is nominated.
14 posted on 09/16/2004 10:35:24 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Crazieman

I agree with you on the issue of immigration. I just don't get that part of his plan.


15 posted on 09/16/2004 10:39:28 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Conservative Firster

This is incredible. The FBI attacking people defending their property from criminal alians. I'm supporting Bush because Kerry is even worse. We need to mount an intense campaign to put pressure on Bush to do somthing about the border. The present situation is disgraceful.


16 posted on 09/16/2004 10:39:38 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

>>The trick will be pressuring Congress to rein him in and then preparing for a knock-down-drag-out in 2008 to make sure a true conservative is nominated.<<

You are a Dreamer, a good one too!


17 posted on 09/16/2004 10:42:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people´s liberty´s teeth.)
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To: BnBlFlag; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; bc2; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...
CW II ping. We have Americans shooting at Americans, one side law enforcement. We have protected classes dividing the USA. We have "gun crimes" (anyone else seen the commercial?). In short, a warning sign of things to come.
18 posted on 09/16/2004 10:47:28 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Crazieman

Ditto, hold your nose and vote for Bush... unless it gets too bad on the immigration front.

Sounds like a replay on the election with "read my lips, no new taxes" and Bush I.

Some day there'll be a 3rd party that supports Western Civilization and is against illegal immigration. Then the new-style Republicans will be in trouble.

All the conservatives will bolt.

Hoppy


19 posted on 09/16/2004 10:48:07 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Conservative Firster

I'm sick to my stomach.

A migrant's rights organization has just triumphed over a private property owner, and the people he asked to help him protect his land.

This can't be allowed to continue.

My prayers to the families involved. Very sorry for your loss.


20 posted on 09/16/2004 10:57:49 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (I've had all I can stands.....and I can't stands no more.)
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To: Conservative Firster

Depends on what "heavily armed" means. If they're a wacko militia group then I have no sympathy, however if they're merely a group of ranchers out to protect their own private property from illegals then more power to them. When the government opens the borders and gives illegals more rights than citizens, then it's up to the people to protect their own.


21 posted on 09/16/2004 10:58:08 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Hank Rearden
" So why has there been zero pressure on Bush to shape up? "Praying" for him to reform after he's reelected is far too late. He needs to be scared of losing his job now."

Thank you. I was beginning to think that I was the only one still saying it.

22 posted on 09/16/2004 11:01:51 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: BnBlFlag; B4Ranch; Hank Rearden
We need to mount an intense campaign to put pressure on Bush to do somthing about the border.

The problem with this is that both major political parties WANT illegals streaming into our country.

The FTAA has 27 nations signed up that will create an 'E.U.' of the Western Hemisphere. Most of those countries speak Spanish.

What are the chances that a hemispheric government will speak English?

The big picture says they are consciously 'Hispanicizing' North America to ease harmonizing a future governmental structure.

23 posted on 09/16/2004 11:05:10 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: mtbopfuyn

Here is the link
http://www.ranchrescue.com/index.htm


24 posted on 09/16/2004 11:06:28 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
"Ditto, hold your nose and vote for Bush... unless it gets too bad on the immigration front."

I remember that we held our noses 4 years ago. The pubbies told us to give him a gop House and Senate and we'd get what we wanted. We held up our end of the deal. This year, I'm not holding my nose.

25 posted on 09/16/2004 11:10:44 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: FITZ
Sometimes I wonder if the DEA undercover guys, posing as runners, aren't working for FBI undercover guys, posing as financiers who work for NSA guys posing as enforcers who work for CIA guys posing as whatever: and nobody knows who anybody else is. Which is why warrants for narco-terrorists aren't going anywhere: at every hearing, there's a call from Washington, "Yer Honor, he's one of ours."

Shoot, mebbe the US is running the cartels, and they don't know it. (compartmentalization n' such.)

Humor...sort of.

26 posted on 09/16/2004 11:12:35 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Conservative Firster

Sure looks like a wacko militia to me.

With all the flags and patriotic stuff and whatnot.

"wacko militia" was a concept and a term coined during the Clintoon's administration, no?

Time to undo the programming people...


27 posted on 09/16/2004 11:14:04 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (I've had all I can stands.....and I can't stands no more.)
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To: Hank Rearden
For all your reasons I too will hold my nose while voting. Sad that he drifted into the haze fog of the "middle ground." Oh well we can only hope his political roots on the right will pull him back when/if he gets reelected.
28 posted on 09/16/2004 11:16:48 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: dasboot

Nethercott is a convicted felon and was arrested earlier for being in possession of a firearm, I show nothing on Riddle. Without going into detail, there is more to this story than what is in this article.


29 posted on 09/16/2004 11:22:04 PM PDT by eastforker (Maybe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure what I said is what I meant_John Kerry)
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To: Conservative Firster
According to the warrant, Nethercott refused to pull over for Border Patrol agents on Aug. 31. After a slow-speed chase, the warrant said that Nethercott entered "a compound in Douglas occupied by members of Ranch Rescue." Riddle was identified as one of the people there.

What reason and/or authority would the Border Patrol have to pull over an American citizen. Was he illegally crossing the border?

It sounds like the Border Patrol was acting as local cops.

30 posted on 09/16/2004 11:22:50 PM PDT by niki
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To: Jack Black

What's with the Mayor in the video?

"Maybe there will be a positive development and we can move 'these people' out of here. They've confronted the Mexican Army. They are real confrontational."

Well maybe if our @$%$&^#% law enforcement officials did their jobs, American citizens wouldn't have to go out and do the job themselves.


31 posted on 09/16/2004 11:23:19 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: dasboot
Humor...sort of.

According to our own State Department, $2.66 billion a year gets spent on bribes to assist human smuggling on the Mexican border.

Source.

32 posted on 09/16/2004 11:28:35 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Conservative Firster

This isn't agood idea right now... AT ALL!!


33 posted on 09/16/2004 11:30:10 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Conservative Firster

Is this Bush's doing??


34 posted on 09/16/2004 11:30:59 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Conservative Firster
KERRY'S ONLY POSITION
THAT HE HAS NEVER
FLIP FLOPED ON
TRAITOR THEN
TRAITOR NOW


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Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER

Crimson Staff Writer

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but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
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35 posted on 09/16/2004 11:31:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: niki
They may not have known, at the time of the pursuit, who he was. As long as they had a reasonable suspicion that he was involved in activity which it is the BP's duty to investigate, and they were within jurisdiction, they are OK.

I imagine an unknown M/V in a border area, furtively operated, would arouse suspicion....mules and jumpers are not unlikely to be operating stolen M/V's, yes? If he had stopped, he might have been all set; but he prolly had a snootfull, and thought they were the local constables, or he had some firearms in the car and didn't want a hassle...understandable: you never know who's behind the badge.

36 posted on 09/16/2004 11:32:38 PM PDT by dasboot (<img src="XXX">)
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To: Conservative Firster
So typical of the FBI/F Troop, that they:

**won't release information about the patient's condition;

**won't release the name of the shooter;

**will release negative information about the person they shot.

37 posted on 09/16/2004 11:34:04 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: All

Pictures of illegal immigration invasion on Roger Barnett's ranch, Arizona

http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_barnett.html


38 posted on 09/16/2004 11:35:53 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: Conservative Firster

The problem with cases like this, is that the FBI has so discredited themselves, that it is nearly impossible to believe a word they say.

At Waco they stated, "We never fired a shot after we took over from the BATF." The only way that would be true is if they brought in special forces to fire the automatic weapons that were fired into the rear of the farmhouse as it went up in flames.

Once again they stated that there were no guns on the helicopters. Once they were revealed to be lying about that, they admitted that there were guns, but not mounted guns.

The BATF obtained the use of military helicopters and tanks by lying about there being drugs at the Waco farmhouse.

It was stated that no grenades were used at the farmhouse. It was also stated that the FBI did not start the fire that burned the building down. The problem is, two shock grenades were found in the areas where the fires started. Those grenades are known to cause fires.

The FBI testified that shock grenades are not lethal, before Congress. That was shown to be a lie as well.

I grew up reading stories about the FBI, idolizing their members as much as I did baseball players. I had a natural desire to respect them, because my father 1500 miles away was a law enforcement officer. It took a lot to get me to change my mind. Ruby Ridge, TWA 800 and Waco did it for me. I will never trust them again.

Reagan used to say trust but verify. In the case of the FBI, I now say, don't trust, and verify everything. I rather be alive than dead right.


39 posted on 09/16/2004 11:47:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: dasboot
They may not have known, at the time of the pursuit, who he was. As long as they had a reasonable suspicion that he was involved in activity which it is the BP's duty to investigate, and they were within jurisdiction, they are OK.

I think it is a pretty safe bet, the BP knew who the guy was. They aren't his biggest fan.

By the limit account given, it seems they knew who he was.

It will be interesting to hear the details.

40 posted on 09/16/2004 11:49:30 PM PDT by niki
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To: eastforker

I agree with the tone of your comments. I do believe there were grounds to go after this guy. From the comments on another thread from people I trust, I do believe this guy was a loose cannon. As I said in a previous post here, the problem is, the FBI just simply doesn't have any credibility any longer. That's a real shame, but it's the truth. And the FBI itself, is the only party to blame for that.


41 posted on 09/16/2004 11:50:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: JOAT

All in the interest of "Sustainable Development"! Glory be to the United Nations. (ain't that right Senator Hatch?)


42 posted on 09/16/2004 11:50:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people´s liberty´s teeth.)
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To: Hank Rearden

Otherwise, he'll be the same RINO he's been for 4 years. Mark my words; if he coasts to reelection, watch deficits and illegals explode in numbers.

He'll be worse, which is why I will not vote for him. I shudder to think of 4 more years without the restraint of having to run for re-election.


43 posted on 09/16/2004 11:53:37 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

So, you're voting for Kerry?


44 posted on 09/16/2004 11:55:18 PM PDT by eastforker (Maybe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure what I said is what I meant_John Kerry)
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To: Conservative Firster
Nethercott, 37, has a criminal record. He was convicted of assault with a firearm in California and was on parole when he joined Ranch Rescue.

IN CAL, THIS COULD MEAN HE WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF.

In June, he was also found guilty by a Texas jury of felony firearm possession.

SO MUCH FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

The jury was deadlocked on a second charge that accused Nethercott of pistol-whipping an illegal immigrant near a Texas ranch.

THE ILLEGAL IS LUCKY HE WAS STILL BREATHING.

Here we go. Da Fuerher taking out more patriots when they only try to do what the government refuses to do.

Our government could not give a rat's behind about homeland terror, the sovereignty of our nation or the Constitution. It's all a smokescreen.

Let the baby butchers pratice their deadly craft, and shoot some more innocent civilians. After the feds make up their story about why they shot this person, I'd sure like to hear it.

45 posted on 09/16/2004 11:57:22 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

There is such a party..the Constitution Party. They'll be getting my support this election.


46 posted on 09/16/2004 11:59:28 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Indie
FYI, nethercott is what I would call a true mercenary. The charge in CA was not self defense. He is a loose cannon and RR should have cut all ties with this guy.
47 posted on 09/17/2004 12:01:55 AM PDT by eastforker (Maybe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure what I said is what I meant_John Kerry)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
Some day there'll be a 3rd party that supports Western Civilization and is against illegal immigration.

There already is. The Constitution Party [Anthony Peroutka] Someday..2008 I hope,,it will be viable because THAT is when I am leaving the CINO RepublicRats..for better or wasted vote. I don't care. The rats have to know they're days are numbered.

48 posted on 09/17/2004 12:02:01 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: eastforker

No, Perouka.


49 posted on 09/17/2004 12:03:33 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Conservative Firster

Wow is this backwards. Instead of the Feds trying to stop a flood of illegals crossing the border, they are going after people trying to protect propert of law abiding citizens being overrun by illegals.

I guess this is all stating the obvious. So sad. Bush is doing nothing about this.


50 posted on 09/17/2004 12:05:42 AM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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