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Absolute Feminism
Independent Womens Forum Inkwell ^ | September 15, 2004 | Charlotte Allen

Posted on 09/16/2004 11:34:22 PM PDT by hocndoc

Mailbag: Absolutist Feminism

The IWF has no official position on abortion, and we welcome both pro-life and pro-choice women on our board and staff and among the readers of InkWell. What we do take a strong posision on--we’re adamantly opposed--is the insistence of some radical feminists that you can’t be a good feminist unless you’re an absolutist on abortion rights. And also the rad-fems’ insistence that you can’t be pro-choice if you’re not voting for John Kerry in November.

Reader B.N. points out that the rad-fems’ requirement that women who call themselves "feminists" subscribe to every last jot and tittle of the left-liberal Democratic social platform extends to other areas as well--and that this accounts for 24-year-old Mary Katherine Ham’s disgust (voiced in a hilarious essay posted on the IWF home page) with a young former Democratic staffer she met in a bar who assumed that because she was a female, she would just love affirmative action (See: Mailbag: Dems Want Big Government to Take Care of Frail Female Flowers, Sept. 13). B.N. e-mails:

"Monday, Sept. 13, I was privileged to hear Sen. Joe Biden speak to the Office on Violence Against Women’s Symposium Honoring the 10th Anniversary of the Violence Against Women Act. The senator detailed the history of his fight ten years ago to provide federal protection for women, children, and (gasp!) even men from the horror of having the right to life and liberty threatened by those whom we trust with our lives and love.

"Sen. Biden told of the struggle that he faced in the Senate and with the groups he had believed would be his allies, including the National Organization for Women and the domestic violence community. He said that some of the members of these groups originally opposed his efforts to create federal protections against spousal and child abuse, rape, stalking, and violence and discrimination in the workplace because they were afraid that any such legislation would ’trump abortion rights.’

"Now, I will admit that I’m a small-government, individual liberty Republican woman, that I come close to being a single-issue voter, and am single-minded in my obsession with the right to life of all members of the human species, but I was surprised enough to exclaim aloud. After a day of listening to, and crying with, first-person stories of child abuse, rape, stalking that led to murder, and plain old wife-beating, choking, and murder -- and trying to stifle my small-government preferences, so as not to mar the common ground for the protection of the most helpless in our society that I hold with the other Symposium attendees -- I wasn’t prepared to hear the senator’s blatant admission, although it was something I would have bet was true in a more cynical setting....

"I am...a child of the early ’70’s, and remember the feminist movement before 1973. I remember when we women were demanding equality as citizens of this country and when equality meant ’opportunity,’ not ’abortion.’ We fought for natural childbirth, breast feeding, educational opportunities based on our own efforts and equal pay for equal work, without sexual harassment and abuse at the workplace...When I hear one of the co-sponsors of the 1994 VAWA state flatly that some members of my species (the only species that has this sort of conversation, as far as I know) are willing to compromise the safety and lives of all the other members of the species for the ’right’ to intentionally and electively kill other members of our species before they are born, I can’t help but be convinced that the women’s movement I knew in the ’70’s has been hijacked by abortion proponents."

Thanks for the thoughts, B.N. While I myself am not sure that federal laws are the best way to deal with domestic violence--there were laws on the books banning that in every state long before the federal Violence Against Women Act came into being--I do have strong feelings about women’s right not to be beaten or deliberately injured in their own homes. And I think it’s insane that a group such as NOW is so wedded to its absolutist-left ideology that it would put the issue of domestic violence on the back burner. But that’s radical feminism for you. And it’s why we who don’t think feminism should be monolithic call ourselves the "Independent" Women’s Forum.

Posted by: Charlotte Allen | Link to this Entry | 9/15/2004 10:21 AM


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; childabuse; domesticviolence; feminism; sexualabuse; stalking; tolerancenot; violenceagainstwomen
The backlash/overreaction that is VAWA is considered necessary by current feminists - and yet they were slow to warm up to the idea because it might have cost them their "choice" to kill their children.
1 posted on 09/16/2004 11:34:22 PM PDT by hocndoc
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To: hocndoc
When I hear... that some members of my species (the only species that has this sort of conversation, as far as I know) are willing to compromise the safety and lives of all the other members of the species for the ’right’ to ... kill other members of our species before they are born, I can’t help but be convinced that the women’s movement I knew in the ’70’s has been hijacked by abortion proponents."

THAT is what I like to throw in the face of idiot leftist women who vote for Demonrats because of "Abortionabortionabortionabortion", and don't even *know* anything about any other issue.

It's one thing to consciously vote single-issue, and another to be so stupid and obsessed that you don't even know there *are* other issues. Just start in asking one of these idiots how much she's willing to give up - her economic freedom, her safety, etc. - to ensure her right to get an abortion, and watch her beady eyes start to glaze over... then watch her try to end the conversation and scurry for cover.

2 posted on 09/16/2004 11:57:14 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: hocndoc

"Pro-Choice: Will Kill Babies For Sex"


3 posted on 09/17/2004 12:41:44 AM PDT by Fenris6
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To: hocndoc
It goes to show us that no feminism is good feminism. The word itself is wrong. The VAWA imprisons fathers for nothing more than accusations by their ex-wives. If a man's ex-wife signs a restraining order, which is a routine legal move to get custody of the kids, and that man is caught with a firearm, he will go to a federal prison. It is routine in some jurisdictions for restraining orders to be made permanent.

"President Of Feminist For Life Of America To Address Sacred Heart"
Sacred Heart University
[Read the third paragraph for the surprise.  It reports that Feminists
for Life (oxymoron) helps to make laws against fathers, and therefore,
laws against families instead of laws against abortion.]


All elements of feminism are for "women's sexual freedom." Every desire of feminists requires abortion and big government. In our USA, it all started with this kind of feminism and it's ally, that part of romanticism involving the glorification of adultery (see Henry Beecher, last part of the series).
4 posted on 09/17/2004 1:16:03 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: hocndoc; shaggy eel; Indie; longtermmemmory
"Sen. Biden told of the struggle that he faced in the Senate and with the groups he had believed would be his allies, including the National Organization for Women and the domestic violence community. He said that some of the members of these groups originally opposed his efforts to create federal protections against spousal and child abuse, rape, stalking, and violence and discrimination in the workplace because they were afraid that any such legislation would ’trump abortion rights.’"

And that's not true. Women in NOW wrote the VAWA, and Paul Wellstone screamed his false preaching performance for it. Democrat congressmen sponsored it. Then both parties voted it in.

John Archer did prove with peer reviewed research that feminist studies on domestic violence are contrived under subjective (man hating) conditions. Feminist research reports lack credibility. Archer's points were never adequately rebutted.

Archer, J. (2000). Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in aggression between
heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological
Bulletin, 126, 651-680., 126, 651-680.

Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in physical aggression to
partners: A reply to Frieze (2000), O’Leary (2000), and White,
Smith, Koss, and Figueredo (2000). Psychological Bulletin, 126,
697-702.

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1154133/posts?page=43#43

"Cover for adultery major factor in domestic violence allegations by wives"
http://familyops.us/columns/corry/domestic_violence_allegations_and_adultery.html

"July 13, 2003 -- More women are cheating on their husbands - and doing it without remorse, sex researchers say. A stunning 90 percent of adulterous wives told one Manhattan researcher they suffered "no guilt," but rather felt "entitled" to the pleasure and excitement of their secret trysts, said Susan Shapiro Barash, a gender-studies professor and author."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/945364/posts
5 posted on 09/17/2004 1:32:03 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

You are wrong. I'm a member of the FFL,and know that Serin Foster does good work.

Feminism is about equality of opportunity, as stated in this article. You should work to change unConstitutional parts of the law rather than making sweeping - incorrect - statements about women like me.

I would think you could see the common ground with FFL and that the main focus of FFL - **and this article** - is to teach the true nature of life and that abortion is killing. I am a feminist, have been since I was about an hour old. Most definitely become one again whenever anyone suggests that women are all one thing and men are all one thing - and somehow men must all be better than all women.


Most of the laws that affect custody are State's issues, as well they should be. But, the Kobe Bryant trash - the woman was threatened and harassed and her family's house was broken into - reaffirmed for me the necessity of some interstate protections and the assumption that the State will arrest and will prosecute, just as in other cases of assault and deadly threats.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 5:17:57 AM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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