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THIS IS WHY THEY HATE FOX NEWS CHANNEL.
Neal Nuze ^ | 9/17/04 | Neal

Posted on 09/17/2004 10:50:53 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

THIS IS WHY THEY HATE FOX NEWS CHANNEL.

Brit Hume had a bit on his "Special Report" last night about a new television ad from Moveon.org, the 527 group financed by that shadowy Hungarian-born international financier who, by the way, hates George Bush. The television ad shows a picture of an AK47 automatic rifle. The ad says "This ... can fire up to 300 rounds a minute. ... In the hands of a terrorist it could kill hundreds ... But on September 13th George Bush will [have] let the assault weapons ban expire." Hume then points out that this particular gun has been banned in the U.S. since the Firearms Act was passed in 1934. They are banned today. You can't own one without a special and very hard-to-get permit from the feds. So, Moveon.org lied. But that's not the news here. We already know that Moveon.org lies in their PAC ads. The news here is that you heard about this from Fox News Channel. You can bet your right to Social Security payments (might as well bet something of no real value) that you would never see The New York Times, the Boston Globe, CBS, NBC, ABC or CNN ever report this particular story. Fox News did, and that's why liberals hate Fox News so much. Just reporting that Moveon.org has an adverse relationship with the truth is proof of bias.


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Is Fox conservative or do they just show the truth and the truth is so new?
1 posted on 09/17/2004 10:50:53 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson

I think you're on to something. Truth is so fresh and unknown to so many leftists that they can only conclude it has to be conservative.


2 posted on 09/17/2004 10:52:24 AM PDT by paulklenk (FOUR MORE WARS!)
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To: NotchJohnson
Hume also could have mentioned that if the "527" was sincere, they also would have admitted that the President can't do anything involving a law until it is sent to him by congress, which this never was.

But then again, that's giving these liars way too much credit.

3 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:04 AM PDT by safeasthebanks (The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!)
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To: NotchJohnson

Nice job. Liberals and the MSM are allergic to the truth and are naturally repulsed by Fox News.


4 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:32 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: NotchJohnson

You are correct. That is why they do not like fox. It is not because fox is biased, but because they point out the truth.


5 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:44 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: NotchJohnson

They're not conservative. They're so "fair and balanced" it's hard to watch.

I wish that Fox would launch a 2nd network- one for News and one for Opinion.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:46 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: NotchJohnson

It's the latter.


7 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:49 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: NotchJohnson

Actually, Factcheck.org reported the same thing!


8 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:53 AM PDT by NavyCaptain
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To: NotchJohnson

This is a bit off the subject but has anyone noticed that each time the terrorist hit civilians and us in Iraq and the US/Coalition forces are allowed to retaliate...after a few days...something remarkable happens...NO MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS...

I think there's a message there...that the media doesn't want to push..

nick


9 posted on 09/17/2004 10:58:47 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: NotchJohnson
I wish I could remember where I read that 'The truth is a fortress'. Unalloyed facts never diminish in force or clarity. That's what you experience with the truth. It's not the novelty of hearing the truth but the fact that the truth is self-evident and speaks directly to human reason. No emotion involved...except the pride and satisfaction of understanding. You dig?
10 posted on 09/17/2004 10:59:12 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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To: paulklenk

Prior to Fox, there were "conservatives" on TV, but they were all cartoonish people designed to play villain so the liberal savior could come in and rescue the show.

CNN, for instance, would ask conservatives to be on their shows and talk about how much they love David Duke. Then 3 liberals could pounce on them and look like the good guy.

Fox didn't just put conservatives on the air. It put conservatives on the air who weren't foaming at the mouth attack dogs. Imagine if the ONLY left-wingers you saw on tv were James Carville and Michael Moore. That's what TV was like before Fox.


11 posted on 09/17/2004 10:59:40 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: NotchJohnson

Wow!

Reporting the truth.

What a concept.


12 posted on 09/17/2004 11:00:00 AM PDT by najida (Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I am.)
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To: paulklenk
i consider myself a centrist, but if the left wants to consider the truth to be Conservative...so be it, call me Conservative!
do i get a membership card or something?
13 posted on 09/17/2004 11:00:40 AM PDT by speedy66
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To: NotchJohnson

The Mean Street Media begs to assume that everyone already knows the truth, so there is no use in wasting valuable broadcasting time or print space pointing out how Moveon.Gag lies in their ads.

Fox News, on the other hand, sees no harm in reinforcing the truth for those that might not remember or may have forgot. It has nothing to do with bias (BarfBarf). The MSM is giving the public the benefit of the doubt, and Fox News operates under the assumption the public is basically ignorant.


15 posted on 09/17/2004 11:02:25 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: NotchJohnson

And here in Chicago, "da mayor" Daley chimed in at a press conference something to the effect that legalizing AK-47s and Uzis will now put law enforcement at risk, blah, blah, blah....but I did not hear of one local person (in print or tv) point out this falsehood.

FOX does a VERY GOOD job at correcting the MANY lies stated by persons with a forum to be heard. Hats off to Britt....


16 posted on 09/17/2004 11:02:47 AM PDT by my4kidsdad
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To: NotchJohnson
"Is Fox conservative or do they just show the truth and the truth is so new?"

Most likely the latter. Fox is conservative in the sense that almost every other news network slants left, some to extreme degrees. By comparison, it is "conservative".

17 posted on 09/17/2004 11:05:20 AM PDT by mbennett203
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To: paulklenk

Think about it: truth-telling is an archaic, out-dated means of communication! The revolution is HERE, man! Individualism dictates that we tell everyone ANYTHING, truth or not, as long as it suits OUR individual end goal!


18 posted on 09/17/2004 11:05:20 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: NotchJohnson

What's the difference between moveon.org & a bowel movement?
They are both crap.


19 posted on 09/17/2004 11:05:25 AM PDT by A Cyrenian
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To: NotchJohnson
Brit needs to look into Kerry's claim to own a Chinese assault rifle (could be SKS but maybe AK47) as a souvenir from nam. Would be ironic if he was in violation of the gun laws.
21 posted on 09/17/2004 11:07:00 AM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: NotchJohnson

"Truth would quickly cease to be stranger than fiction if we ever got used to hearing it."

H.L. Menken


22 posted on 09/17/2004 11:07:02 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (No good deed goes unpunished)
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To: speedy66

If hang out on FR for long, you will be inundated with the truth. It's what brought many of us here in the first place.

Welcome to Free Republic!


23 posted on 09/17/2004 11:07:18 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (I lowered my cholesterol.)
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To: safeasthebanks

Right on--- the Senate has to pass the bill before the Presdietn is even involved. and that must mean that the Senate did not do it job in presenting a renewal of the gun ban bill for Bush to sign. Now I wonder who has been slacking off in the Senate as of late (Johns anyone). For Kerry to try to claim the Senate could not act on anything unless Bush forced them to and at the same time claiming he could be a better leader than Bush makes one wonder just how many toes he has left after holding that Russian made auromatic rifle he owns.


24 posted on 09/17/2004 11:08:17 AM PDT by rod1
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To: paulklenk

If Fox was biased towards conservatives the was the MSM is biased towards liberals, it would be much different, much more slanted. Right now, it is balanced for the most part, and to be balanced is to give fair play to the conservative side, and that is conservative to the liberal media.


25 posted on 09/17/2004 11:10:44 AM PDT by Defiant (The Democrat ticket has Johnarea, an STD (SocialisticallyTransmitted Disease).)
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To: NotchJohnson
a typical liberal wouldn't know the truth if it crawl up their spineless back,into an ear, roamed around a vast vacuum,crawl out the other ear,and bit them on a botox filled forehead.


Doogle
26 posted on 09/17/2004 11:11:10 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th AF...Wolf Pack...408MMS ....Ubon,Thailand in "69" Night Line Delivery.AMMO)
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To: NotchJohnson
one error of no consequence.. the following is incorrect:

banned in the U.S. since the Firearms Act was passed in 1934.

it should read...

banned in the U.S. since the Firearms Act was passed in 1968.

Also known as the NFA of 1968

27 posted on 09/17/2004 11:11:10 AM PDT by blackbag (trust no one)
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To: NotchJohnson; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ..

Phony Bush Letter More Than a Lie

Friday, September 17, 2004

By John Gibson

The secretary of a now-deceased man who oversaw President Bush's service in the National Guard says even though the letter sent to CBS is phony, the stuff it said was true.

In other words, the question seems to be... does it matter that someone thinks it's OK to forge a dead man's name on a phony letter to smear a sitting president during a dead heat, neck-and-neck presidential campaign?

CBS and Dan Rather don't think it matters. They think if the 86-year-old secretary is there to testify that she thought young Bush didn't think the rules applied to him, well good enough... no need to worry about who is going around forging letters of dead men.

Well, let's all make our own judgment about whether that matters so much in today's war on terror.

But I think it does matter if the charges against the president are carried by people who think forgery is OK.

For one thing, it's a criminal act. For another, it's way different than saying — as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did — "I served with John Kerry" when they meant they were assigned to the same river as Kerry in the same year.

That is a stretch. The phony letter is a lie and a crime.

28 posted on 09/17/2004 11:11:10 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (Sec. 3, Amendment 14..................)
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To: NotchJohnson
It's funny, but i never watched Fox news until i heard the network being constantly bashed on shows like CNN (aka Clinton News Network) and Bill Maur's Anti-Bush vehicle.
The fear was so transparent that i had to check it out just to see what all the fuss was about.
What a wonderful surprise it was to get an honest take on current affairs. It was like a cool breeze shooting through my living room on an otherwise muggy day!
29 posted on 09/17/2004 11:11:22 AM PDT by speedy66 (Thank you Lefty for pointing me in the Right direction!)
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To: A Cyrenian
What's the difference between moveon.org & a bowel movement?

With one of them, you push a lever and never see it again.
Maybe that will be true of the other come November !!!

30 posted on 09/17/2004 11:12:38 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: NotchJohnson
Is Fox conservative or do they just show the truth and the truth is so new?

Truth is a very conservative idea.

It has always been Fascism, Communism and left-wing Democrats who have used lies to promote their messages.

The end justifies the means.

When the iron curtain fell in Europe, it was dressed up and rehung in America by the liberal elites.

31 posted on 09/17/2004 11:13:18 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (3 Purple Hearts? No blood? No Way!!)
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To: safeasthebanks
Hume also could have mentioned that if the "527" was sincere, they also would have admitted that the President can't do anything involving a law until it is sent to him by congress, which this never was.

Well, by definition a 527 is a political beast and therefore has no intention of being sincere nor of teaching the public a civics or history lessons. Any citizen with who spends more than a minute thinking about it probably realizes the President can't write laws (barring Executive Orders, which I doubt a large percentage of the population even know exist) until they are sent to him by Congress. The problem is too many people have forgotten how the USA government functions from their public school education and expect the media to remind them, which they conventiently don't do (not picking on you here, safeasthebanks).

32 posted on 09/17/2004 11:19:16 AM PDT by MrConfettiMan (I hate the word blog. The MSM is not MS.)
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To: NotchJohnson
FOX tells the truth - or at least tries to, which makes them dramatically different from their competition (like CBS). The MSM only direct their fact-checking against Republican and conservative targets, while FOX questions both sides.

Now, can anyone tell me why, if AK-47's are "illegal" due to gun control, terrorists still have them by the thousands? Maybe 60 Minutes will do an expose... .

33 posted on 09/17/2004 11:19:19 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: NotchJohnson

I don't think the permit is hard to get (but harder than it should be). Background check and pay your tax. The hard part is finding the cash for a full auto rifle.


34 posted on 09/17/2004 11:21:16 AM PDT by cruiserman
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To: NotchJohnson
They are banned today. You can't own one without a special and very hard-to-get permit from the feds.

Just because they used the wrong weapon and had all the facts wrong does not negate the accuracy of their claims. Why hasn't Bush responded to these allegations????

Signed

Dan Rather
CBS Noose

35 posted on 09/17/2004 11:21:58 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: NotchJohnson

36 posted on 09/17/2004 11:22:26 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: 2Jedismom

Thanks jedimom!

I feel right at home...ain't truth grand!?!?!?


37 posted on 09/17/2004 11:24:48 AM PDT by speedy66
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To: NotchJohnson

Leftists consider telling the truth "bias", because they always, always, lie.


38 posted on 09/17/2004 11:26:02 AM PDT by ozzymandus ("So it is written, so it shall be danced"-Al Bundy)
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To: speedy66

You can get a VRWC membership certificate at http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/rightwing64.html if you want.


39 posted on 09/17/2004 11:27:42 AM PDT by magslinger (Happiness depends on being free, and freedom depends on being courageous. Thucydides)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
Prior to Fox, there were "conservatives" on TV, but they were all cartoonish people designed to play villain so the liberal savior could come in and rescue the show.

My recollection is that both George Will and Charles Krauthammer were on the air before FoxNews, and I'd hardly call them "cartoonish." WFB had Firing Line for only like, 20 years. The real problem--other than Firing Line--always was that the conservative was completely outnumbered and often shouted down or ridiculed. PBS marginalized Firing Line by showing it late in the evening, or even after midnight in many markets. And it was only ONE conservative star in a very liberal galaxy of programs.

The big difference on FoxNews is that all commentators are treated with respect. (Even some, such as Juan Williams, who really deserve none.)

40 posted on 09/17/2004 11:27:54 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: NotchJohnson

As a famous old Dem used to say, "I don't give em hell! I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"


41 posted on 09/17/2004 11:29:12 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: NotchJohnson

Brett is a true professional.


42 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:11 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think)
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To: NotchJohnson

to tell the truth is being conservative bias b/c libs policies are compounded falsehoods like raising taxes will actually help the economy and others in the lower income brackets, raising minimum wage helps people. Anybody who has two bits worth of common sense knows this is BS.


43 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:36 AM PDT by erik22lax
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To: daviscupper

like the old harry truman quote," ... I don't give 'em Hell, I just tell them the truth and they THINK it's Hell...!"


44 posted on 09/17/2004 11:32:14 AM PDT by Quint on dry land
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To: NotchJohnson

IMHO, both conservativism and liberalism are lenses through which objective reality is viewed. Conservativism just happens to be the far less distorted of the two.


45 posted on 09/17/2004 11:32:24 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: NotchJohnson

Truth: a conservative conspiracy to undermine lefists.


46 posted on 09/17/2004 11:32:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Pajamarazzi power!)
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To: daviscupper
Liberals and the MSM are allergic to the truth and are naturally repulsed by Fox News.

Sort of like Dracula and the crucifix.

47 posted on 09/17/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: blackbag
one error of no consequence.. the following is incorrect: "banned in the U.S. since the Firearms Act was passed in 1934." it should read... banned in the U.S. since the Firearms Act was passed in 1968. Also known as the NFA of 1968

Well, yes and no.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 did indeed place heavy restrictions on fully automatic weapons. For all practical purposes, that's when fully automatic weapons became "banned" in the US (although it was still possible to own them by jumping through regulatory hoops and being monitored by the feds).

The Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968 (not the NFA, as you say) had nothing to do with automatic weapons.

The ironically named Firearm Owner's Protection Act (FOPA) of *1986*, however, outright banned the private ownership of automatic weapons manufactured after that date, although the 1934 law still applied to the ownership of pre-1986 firearms.

48 posted on 09/17/2004 11:35:33 AM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: NotchJohnson
William F. Buckley, Jr. was once asked--on Larry King Live--of all places, what conservatism consisted of. His answer is the most succinct and correct I've ever heard. He said, "Conservatism is essentially nothing more than a political philosophy which accepts what's true."

That hit home with me because it confirmed something I've said to my liberal siblings for years, when they told me there would be no refugees from Vietnam, the Soviets really wanted peace, welfare helps people, and so on and so on: "You'd rather believe an easy lie than an difficult truth."

Fox seems conservative because they actually report what's happening, and that's why it resonates with us.

49 posted on 09/17/2004 11:41:35 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: NotchJohnson
Brit...You the Man!
50 posted on 09/17/2004 11:46:03 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (A 4 month swift boat commander or a 4 year Commander in Chief, you decide.)
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