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Weekly Standard ^ | 9/17/04 | Jonathan V. Last

Posted on 09/17/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73

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To: hispanarepublicana
Is that what's wrong with me? Yes it is. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's.......

Is that you John Flippin-Floppin Kerry? ;)
51 posted on 09/17/2004 7:29:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73 ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things" -- Dan Rather)
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To: SouthTexas
Maybe this is why I cannot turn the computer off now!!!

Wait until Nov 2. I wonder when the first 'Live Thread: xxxxxxxxx' post will be?
52 posted on 09/17/2004 7:31:13 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Daddy, are there bad men on your planes?")
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To: swilhelm73

great article! Bump!


53 posted on 09/17/2004 7:31:27 PM PDT by AmericanR76
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To: swilhelm73
Although we just lived through it, it's REALLY a nice feeling to read such a well told blow by blow.

This is a story for the history books, and Rather's obit.

54 posted on 09/17/2004 7:32:43 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: hispanarepublicana

Actually, when Hollywood makes the movie, the network will be Fox and the fraud will be the Swiftvets. Mark my word.


55 posted on 09/17/2004 7:33:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Also a blog usually have one (or a few) person running it and making the primary post while everyone else comments on those.

Good point.

Lucky for me, my computer here doesn't generate speech. It'd be like the 'pit' at the echanges.
56 posted on 09/17/2004 7:33:23 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Daddy, are there bad men on your planes?")
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To: briant

SHOUT! SPIT! CLAMOR!! - okay, that's all I have to say tonight folks.


57 posted on 09/17/2004 7:35:25 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: js1138

You're probably right, and it wouldn't suprise me one bit.


58 posted on 09/17/2004 7:36:30 PM PDT by Dr. Sid Finkelstein
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To: Kokojmudd

BUMP (this is an easier way to point out a story I guess.)


59 posted on 09/17/2004 7:38:16 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: swilhelm73
Thus, a lone helpful comment at FreeRepublic.com gets quickly elevated into the spotlight, while the multitude of cranky grumblings disappear down the memory hole.

Alright a show of hands... who were the cranky ones that night

60 posted on 09/17/2004 7:45:49 PM PDT by philo
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To: philo
Well, I'm an idiot. To whit:

To be fair, many of these ideas are bogus, but they are also rapidly exposed as such, sometimes in mere seconds. For example, an exuberant commenter will note that one of CBS's memos carries a Saturday date; another, dripping with condescension, will remind the first that Guard members are called "weekend warriors" for a reason--they drill (and keep office hours) on Saturdays.

I think I'm the "exuberant commentator" who noted the Saturday date. In fact, I looked up the calendar for that year...I'm so ashamed....

61 posted on 09/17/2004 7:48:57 PM PDT by Judith Anne (First we were digital brownshirts then we were pajama pundits, now we're the piranha of the internet)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Rose in RoseBear
Pingpingping!
62 posted on 09/17/2004 7:53:00 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [... timeline ping! ...])
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To: briant
What an ignorant deliberately misleading beginning to an otherwise good story.

Evidently we have a lot of people's noses out of joint.

63 posted on 09/17/2004 7:53:09 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Trasha

When I first found free republic during the 2000 elections, I nearly cried. I couldn't believe there were other people actually talking about the things I'd been secretly thinking for years. Who would have thought being part of a vast right wing conspiracy would be so entertaining, or so liberating.

Great summary.


64 posted on 09/17/2004 7:53:22 PM PDT by DancingMyRainbow
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To: swilhelm73
The previous morning, Power Line--which had quickly established itself as the blog world's clearinghouse for updates on the story

Well Power Line did a great job ..... but IMHO, Free Republic was and remains the clearinghouse for updates on the Rathergate story.

65 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:29 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Judith Anne

This really is a great recap of what happened. Although this story seems like forever, it's only been 10 days. Amazing how fast things can turn. September 8th, 2004 will go down in history as the "Day the MSM Died". Within a few years, all history, science, knowledge, and everything said within the last 40 years will be in digital form on the internet. This is what the founding fathers had enough foresight to see we needed, even if they couldn't have imagined the technology. Freedom of expression in it's purest form. All I can say is "thank you Al Gore for inventing the internet"!


66 posted on 09/17/2004 7:56:30 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: Mike Fieschko

Don't remind us that the live election night thread lasted 36 days......


67 posted on 09/17/2004 7:57:01 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: Mike Fieschko
More like usenet (netnews) was 10 - 20 years ago.

Yeah, the good ol' days of alt.bizarre, the Backbone Cabal, and the like. I knew there was a reason I feel so at home in FReeperland. {g}

68 posted on 09/17/2004 7:57:44 PM PDT by macbee (Hanlon's Razor: "Never ascribe to villainy that which is best explained by stupidity.")
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To: swilhelm73
David Brock's MediaMatters.org chimed in that "the case for their authenticity is strong,"

One entry found for dense.
Main Entry: dense
Pronunciation: 'den(t)s
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): dens·er; dens·est
Etymology: Latin densus; akin to Greek dasys thick with hair or leaves
2 a : marked by a stupid imperviousness to ideas or impressions : THICKHEADED b : EXTREME <dense ignorance>
STUPID
- dense·ly adverb
- dense·ness 'den(t)-sn&s/ noun

69 posted on 09/17/2004 7:59:18 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party!)
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To: Cats Pajamas

Welcome to Fr pajamaed one....you signed up on my birthday!


70 posted on 09/17/2004 8:01:06 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: macbee
Yeah, the good ol' days of alt.bizarre, the Backbone Cabal, and the like. I knew there was a reason I feel so at home in FReeperland. {g}

Heh heh. I used to sysop a FidoNet node BBS.
71 posted on 09/17/2004 8:04:20 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Daddy, are there bad men on your planes?")
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To: Socratic

Well, sometimes we have to spit back at a Viking Kitty in self-defense...


72 posted on 09/17/2004 8:04:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: Mike Fieschko

How about "Bush takes country in landslide"?


73 posted on 09/17/2004 8:09:17 PM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: swilhelm73

BTTT for a great recap.


74 posted on 09/17/2004 8:11:01 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party!)
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To: Politicalmom

I wnder if the Old Media will ever realise that people like the members of Free Republic are the mainstream of America,not the colorful-but-loony protester/hippy/lefty radical types they've delighted in showcasing for so long.


75 posted on 09/17/2004 8:13:08 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: All

Sounds like FreeRepublic is being described as one might describe the New York Stock Exchange on a busy trading day--only we exchange information.


76 posted on 09/17/2004 8:14:31 PM PDT by Zellenn
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To: swilhelm73; Howlin; Liz
IF YOU TRAWL the posting boards at FreeRepublic.com long enough, you'll go mad.

Been doing it for years and it hasn't happened yet. But getting past posts @ DU without someone using a few lewd four-letter-words may seem strange...

77 posted on 09/17/2004 8:20:00 PM PDT by Libloather (After all these years, Jim Robinson, AT LEAST, owes me a new car...)
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To: hispanarepublicana
I want Selma Hayek to play me.

Is there a sign-up sheet for that?

78 posted on 09/17/2004 8:21:18 PM PDT by Libloather (After all these years, Jim Robinson, AT LEAST, owes me a new car...)
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To: alwaysconservative

Aw, thanks for the great ping...
good to see you :-)


79 posted on 09/17/2004 8:26:58 PM PDT by b9
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To: swilhelm73
The partisan liberal sites were joined by a short piece from PC Magazine, which supposed that an IBM Selectric Composer could have produced the memos.

I doubt it.


PC Magazine's two samples, overlaid

80 posted on 09/17/2004 8:28:56 PM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: swilhelm73

I will categorically state that FR had far more influence and pertinence in this story that the simple initial statement by Buckhead's #47 on Howlin's "live thread". I had not heard of the story and came in about 36 hours late, and went back through many of those threads in great detail, and many, many of the comments about the "memos" that were later brought out were suggested by FReepers at one time or another before others caught on to the story.

For one thing, the "style" of the Memos was seriously questioned before #47 by TankerKC on a different thread. R Cook, P.E., had other very lucid comments early on still another thread. I think it was mabelkitty or cristie who started a list of I believe 48 items for further investigation most of which ended up proving anamolous, and that list was well established before the WPost Monday story five days later. Many other examples of FR's contributions to carrying the ball downfield are evident if people look at the more than a hundred threads generated about this.

FR was in the vanguard, and Little Green Footballs and PowerLine were right there with us, and indeed they did a whole lot of ball carrying. Newcomer' article, though, brought a completely DEVASTATING crescendo to destroy any possibility at all that they could have been created without MSWord.

After a time, the lamestream was dragged kicking and screaming along, with all their hedging provisos. Our hedges were dealt with far more quickly than their were. Even Buckhead himself made sure people weren't jumping too fast with cautionary statements, as did other FReepers in pajamas and other garb.

Bottom line: the New Media has arrived.

The FRAUDcasters and Old Media reporters KNOW it, too.
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81 posted on 09/17/2004 8:36:31 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: BossLady

I've always considered FreeRepublic.com as the "Mother of all Blogs".


82 posted on 09/17/2004 8:38:14 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: Cincinnatus

LOL! It is a very good overview. Want some ice water? Try peeling the big media onion down to the truth, that'll make their eyes water. But seriously, I'm a little peavey that ther're trying to make us bloggers.


83 posted on 09/17/2004 8:48:35 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: swilhelm73

Rather is finally getting his due, it is about time!!


84 posted on 09/17/2004 8:50:06 PM PDT by VNam68
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To: briant

"I didn't read any further, lest I go mad."

I enjoy being mad almost as I enjoy a witty rejoiner.


85 posted on 09/17/2004 8:57:09 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: swilhelm73

IF YOU TRAWL the posting boards at FreeRepublic.com long enough, you'll go mad. Hundreds of voices are shouting, spitting, and clamoring for attention at any given moment.

As someone said awhile ago (I forget who) "FreeRepublic, where political debate is a contact sport." I know this after awile debateing people here liberals are a piece of cake.
Example, you want to debate Sabertooth about immigration policy? Ok but you'd better have your ducks in a row or you're going to be asking "what was the number of that truck."


86 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:46 PM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Did you see this? Excellent slow motion recap of Rathergate... a keeper.


87 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:47 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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To: Interesting Times

This is the best chronology of RatherGate I've seen, although it starts with a totally unnecessary and prejudicial description of FreeRepublic.com


88 posted on 09/17/2004 9:11:29 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
IF YOU TRAWL the posting boards at FreeRepublic.com long enough, you'll go mad.

Is that what's wrong with me?

Ahhhh . . . but did the author define long enough. Is long enough a day? A week? Six weeks? Five years?

You look fine to me. I look fine to me. I think I'll go check the coffeepot . . .

89 posted on 09/17/2004 9:38:16 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: MEG33

bttt


90 posted on 09/17/2004 10:15:33 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: dansangel

ping


91 posted on 09/17/2004 10:28:10 PM PDT by .45MAN ("Vote for Life, Vote for Freedom ,Vote for Bush")
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To: swilhelm73

bttt


92 posted on 09/17/2004 10:39:06 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: swilhelm73; All
Pajamahadeen Rule... rise of the New Media
 I would only suggest an amplification on the theme of "Internet time", since that is such a vital attribute of the 'Net/blogosphere. Facts are checked and hypotheses are validated within hours, if not minutes, and by multiple sources. As you noted, the "swarm" takes up the challenge and with breathtaking speed provides us with hard information on which to act.

93 posted on 09/18/2004 12:15:45 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: swilhelm73
But at least Seglin was able to bring himself to talk about the issue. Some prominent media watchdog groups would barely deign to discuss it. Over at the Poynter Institute (where Seglin was once a media ethics fellow), media critic Jim Romenesko had posted just one tiny item. (Romenesko wouldn't begin covering the story in earnest until September 15, a full week after it first broke.) The Columbia Journalism Review was just as bad. Their website, CampaignDesk.org, had not a single mention of the CBS story until September 13, when they referenced it in passing during a roundup of blog activity.

I've noticed that as well. You would think that a Big Three network forging documents in attempt to get Bush out of office might be a big story to media watchdogs. But Steve Lovelady wrote this to Romenesko's site:

As to the import of the matter -- if the documents, forged or not, had actually broken new ground, then this might be "one of the biggest media stories in recent memory," as one impassioned e-mailer declared to me. But they didn't; they're not nearly as incriminating as the Ben Barnes interview that proceeded them, or the flurry of reporting last winter and spring on the still un-explained Alabama Absence of young George Bush....

And as for a relative ranking of "big media stories of recent memory" -- is the CBS episode of the magnitude of, say, Jayson Blair deceiving the readers of the New York Times not once, but dozens of times, month after month? Or as big as Jack Kelly deceiving the readers of USA Today not once, but apparently hundreds of times for years on end? Or as big as the systemic failure of the mainstream press to question the fatally flawed rationale for war in the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq? Or even as big as the press's inexplicable delay before it finally began investigating the veracity, or lack thereof, of the charges leveled at John Kerry by the swift boat veterans?

Rather is a visible target, as high-visibility as they come, so it's inevitable that the wolves, both inside and outside of the media, begin to salivate as they circle. And if he was conned, that's damaging -- as damaging as, say, Tailgate was to CNN a few years back, or as NBC's rigged explosion of a General Motors car was a few years before that. But come on, guys -- try to get a grip. It's not Watergate. It's not even Rathergate. So far, it's no more than Fontgate.

Unbelievable. These media watchdog sites talk about all sorts of minutia, but there's such little interest in what Dan Rather did. And he even calls honest journalists who investigate the story "wolves"!

94 posted on 09/18/2004 1:21:19 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: swilhelm73
Dan Rather lost in the Blogocalypse.
95 posted on 09/18/2004 9:49:14 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Cross-linking RELATED threads:
What Blogs Have Wrought (Buckhead)
  Posted by Truth Table
On News/Activism 09/18/2004 7:23:10 AM PDT · 172 replies · 3,197+ views


Weekly Standard ^ | September 27, 2004 | Jonathan V. Last
 

What Blogs Have Wrought (FR mentioned)
  Posted by swilhelm73
On News/Activism 09/17/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT · 94 replies · 1,769+ views


Weekly Standard ^ | 9/17/04 | Jonathan V. Last

96 posted on 09/18/2004 8:38:06 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Seems only fair...considering the role CBS played in helping to win the Vietnam War for the Communists.


97 posted on 09/18/2004 9:26:38 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: nutmeg

BTTT


98 posted on 01/11/2005 7:57:11 AM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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