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What Blogs Have Wrought (FR mentioned)
Weekly Standard ^ | 9/17/04 | Jonathan V. Last

Posted on 09/17/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT by swilhelm73

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I will categorically state that FR had far more influence and pertinence in this story that the simple initial statement by Buckhead's #47 on Howlin's "live thread". I had not heard of the story and came in about 36 hours late, and went back through many of those threads in great detail, and many, many of the comments about the "memos" that were later brought out were suggested by FReepers at one time or another before others caught on to the story.

For one thing, the "style" of the Memos was seriously questioned before #47 by TankerKC on a different thread. R Cook, P.E., had other very lucid comments early on still another thread. I think it was mabelkitty or cristie who started a list of I believe 48 items for further investigation most of which ended up proving anamolous, and that list was well established before the WPost Monday story five days later. Many other examples of FR's contributions to carrying the ball downfield are evident if people look at the more than a hundred threads generated about this.

FR was in the vanguard, and Little Green Footballs and PowerLine were right there with us, and indeed they did a whole lot of ball carrying. Newcomer' article, though, brought a completely DEVASTATING crescendo to destroy any possibility at all that they could have been created without MSWord.

After a time, the lamestream was dragged kicking and screaming along, with all their hedging provisos. Our hedges were dealt with far more quickly than their were. Even Buckhead himself made sure people weren't jumping too fast with cautionary statements, as did other FReepers in pajamas and other garb.

Bottom line: the New Media has arrived.

The FRAUDcasters and Old Media reporters KNOW it, too.

81 posted on 09/17/2004 8:36:31 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: BossLady

I've always considered as the "Mother of all Blogs".

82 posted on 09/17/2004 8:38:14 PM PDT by VxH (Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there - Isa 28)
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To: Cincinnatus

LOL! It is a very good overview. Want some ice water? Try peeling the big media onion down to the truth, that'll make their eyes water. But seriously, I'm a little peavey that ther're trying to make us bloggers.

83 posted on 09/17/2004 8:48:35 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: swilhelm73

Rather is finally getting his due, it is about time!!

84 posted on 09/17/2004 8:50:06 PM PDT by VNam68
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To: briant

"I didn't read any further, lest I go mad."

I enjoy being mad almost as I enjoy a witty rejoiner.

85 posted on 09/17/2004 8:57:09 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: swilhelm73

IF YOU TRAWL the posting boards at long enough, you'll go mad. Hundreds of voices are shouting, spitting, and clamoring for attention at any given moment.

As someone said awhile ago (I forget who) "FreeRepublic, where political debate is a contact sport." I know this after awile debateing people here liberals are a piece of cake.
Example, you want to debate Sabertooth about immigration policy? Ok but you'd better have your ducks in a row or you're going to be asking "what was the number of that truck."

86 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:46 PM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Did you see this? Excellent slow motion recap of Rathergate... a keeper.

87 posted on 09/17/2004 9:05:47 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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To: Interesting Times

This is the best chronology of RatherGate I've seen, although it starts with a totally unnecessary and prejudicial description of

88 posted on 09/17/2004 9:11:29 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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IF YOU TRAWL the posting boards at long enough, you'll go mad.

Is that what's wrong with me?

Ahhhh . . . but did the author define long enough. Is long enough a day? A week? Six weeks? Five years?

You look fine to me. I look fine to me. I think I'll go check the coffeepot . . .

89 posted on 09/17/2004 9:38:16 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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90 posted on 09/17/2004 10:15:33 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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91 posted on 09/17/2004 10:28:10 PM PDT by .45MAN ("Vote for Life, Vote for Freedom ,Vote for Bush")
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92 posted on 09/17/2004 10:39:06 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: swilhelm73; All
Pajamahadeen Rule... rise of the New Media
 I would only suggest an amplification on the theme of "Internet time", since that is such a vital attribute of the 'Net/blogosphere. Facts are checked and hypotheses are validated within hours, if not minutes, and by multiple sources. As you noted, the "swarm" takes up the challenge and with breathtaking speed provides us with hard information on which to act.

93 posted on 09/18/2004 12:15:45 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: swilhelm73
But at least Seglin was able to bring himself to talk about the issue. Some prominent media watchdog groups would barely deign to discuss it. Over at the Poynter Institute (where Seglin was once a media ethics fellow), media critic Jim Romenesko had posted just one tiny item. (Romenesko wouldn't begin covering the story in earnest until September 15, a full week after it first broke.) The Columbia Journalism Review was just as bad. Their website,, had not a single mention of the CBS story until September 13, when they referenced it in passing during a roundup of blog activity.

I've noticed that as well. You would think that a Big Three network forging documents in attempt to get Bush out of office might be a big story to media watchdogs. But Steve Lovelady wrote this to Romenesko's site:

As to the import of the matter -- if the documents, forged or not, had actually broken new ground, then this might be "one of the biggest media stories in recent memory," as one impassioned e-mailer declared to me. But they didn't; they're not nearly as incriminating as the Ben Barnes interview that proceeded them, or the flurry of reporting last winter and spring on the still un-explained Alabama Absence of young George Bush....

And as for a relative ranking of "big media stories of recent memory" -- is the CBS episode of the magnitude of, say, Jayson Blair deceiving the readers of the New York Times not once, but dozens of times, month after month? Or as big as Jack Kelly deceiving the readers of USA Today not once, but apparently hundreds of times for years on end? Or as big as the systemic failure of the mainstream press to question the fatally flawed rationale for war in the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq? Or even as big as the press's inexplicable delay before it finally began investigating the veracity, or lack thereof, of the charges leveled at John Kerry by the swift boat veterans?

Rather is a visible target, as high-visibility as they come, so it's inevitable that the wolves, both inside and outside of the media, begin to salivate as they circle. And if he was conned, that's damaging -- as damaging as, say, Tailgate was to CNN a few years back, or as NBC's rigged explosion of a General Motors car was a few years before that. But come on, guys -- try to get a grip. It's not Watergate. It's not even Rathergate. So far, it's no more than Fontgate.

Unbelievable. These media watchdog sites talk about all sorts of minutia, but there's such little interest in what Dan Rather did. And he even calls honest journalists who investigate the story "wolves"!

94 posted on 09/18/2004 1:21:19 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: swilhelm73
Dan Rather lost in the Blogocalypse.
95 posted on 09/18/2004 9:49:14 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Cross-linking RELATED threads:
What Blogs Have Wrought (Buckhead)
  Posted by Truth Table
On News/Activism 09/18/2004 7:23:10 AM PDT · 172 replies · 3,197+ views

Weekly Standard ^ | September 27, 2004 | Jonathan V. Last

What Blogs Have Wrought (FR mentioned)
  Posted by swilhelm73
On News/Activism 09/17/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT · 94 replies · 1,769+ views

Weekly Standard ^ | 9/17/04 | Jonathan V. Last

96 posted on 09/18/2004 8:38:06 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Seems only fair...considering the role CBS played in helping to win the Vietnam War for the Communists.

97 posted on 09/18/2004 9:26:38 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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98 posted on 01/11/2005 7:57:11 AM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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