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Parallels Drawn Between CBS Memos, Texan's Postings
Washington Post ^ | 09/17/2004 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:24:39 PM PDT by jhouston

The former Texas National Guard officer suspected of providing CBS News with possibly forged records on President Bush's military service called on Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks" in a series of Internet postings in which he also used phrases similar to several employed in the disputed documents. Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, who earlier said he overheard Bush aides conspiring with the commander of the Texas National Guard to "sanitize" the president's military records, has refused to comment on reports that he could be CBS's confidential source. In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billburkett; cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; michaeldobbs; rather; tang
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1 posted on 09/17/2004 7:24:40 PM PDT by jhouston
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To: jhouston

Read the article. They are the first to connect this moron and his plot with the Kerry campaign and the DNC


2 posted on 09/17/2004 7:28:06 PM PDT by jhouston
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To: jhouston

Maybe Washington comPost sees the writing is on the wall for the Kerry campaign, and wants to claim credit for bringing them down in time for Hillary to fly in on her broom.


3 posted on 09/17/2004 7:30:08 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: jhouston
In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."

I'm guessing o/a Nov 1. What a loon.

4 posted on 09/17/2004 7:30:54 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: jhouston

Dobbs has just obliterated any chance that CBS might have
thought they had to paint this as a Rove-inspired dirty trick.

Cool.


5 posted on 09/17/2004 7:32:55 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: ambrose

I'm guessing they won't dig deep enough to see if Burkett's lawyer, David Van Os, is involved. Or take the investigation to the highest levels, which is just what the DNCBS wants.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 7:33:24 PM PDT by Stonedog (Mr. Blather... tear down this STONEWALL!!)
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To: jhouston

The story gets bigger.


7 posted on 09/17/2004 7:33:59 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: jhouston

WAPO has it and is actually pussuing the story with some journalistic integrity. Impressive.


8 posted on 09/17/2004 7:35:10 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: jhouston
Perhaps this has been asked and answered, but I don't remember hearing/seeing it anywhere:

Rather said Mary Mapes has been working on the story for four-plus years, yet Emily Will (document expert) said she received the documents over the Labor Day weekend.

The inference is that CBS was working on a story for a very long period of time without having their documentation verified until last week? Am I missing something?

9 posted on 09/17/2004 7:35:17 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry is a war hero. Just visit the Museum in Ho Chin Minh City.)
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To: Biblebelter

Burkett Boasts He 'Reassembled' Bush Files, Aided Michael Moore

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200409%5CPOL20040917c.html


10 posted on 09/17/2004 7:36:25 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jhouston
Two news bits of info for me:

Another retired Guard officer .........Robert Strong, said earlier this week that Rather showed him copies of new Guard records on Bush that bore markings showing that they had been faxed from a Kinko's .....

[Max]Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August.......Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

Things seem to be falling into place...a bit slowly, but progress, just the same. I am surprised to see that Srong provided the Kinko lead.

11 posted on 09/17/2004 7:37:32 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (What part of SHALL MAKE NO LAW do they not understand?)
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To: finnman69
WAPO has it and is actually pussuing the story with some journalistic integrity.

I bet you meant pursuing, but that's funny. Freudian slip with WA Post?

12 posted on 09/17/2004 7:38:25 PM PDT by eyespysomething (I'm typing up lottery tickets. I mean, as long as the content is true the rest doesn't matter.)
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To: Biblebelter
Read the last graph about Max Cleland

Cleland is quoted as saying he told Burkett to send the infomration to the Kerry campaign - then says he gets 8 or 10 of these offers a day.

13 posted on 09/17/2004 7:38:30 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment (CBS Boycott day 004 and counting)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

You're not missing a thing, it's an obvious inside job.


14 posted on 09/17/2004 7:39:07 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: jhouston
In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics: "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with. But none of them have called me back."

Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

One wonders if Burkett followed Cleland's advice. If Burkett actually sent copies of the docs to the Kerry campaign (which they haven't mentioned receiving up to now), look for staffers to start scrambling for cover.

15 posted on 09/17/2004 7:39:16 PM PDT by macbee (Hanlon's Razor: "Never ascribe to villainy that which is best explained by stupidity.")
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To: Use It Or Lose It

That is the kind of fog that the MSM used to get away with. That is simply old fashioned spin which is ludricous given the facts. What they meant to say is that they have been looking for the opportunity to take Bush down for years, and this seemed like their last best chance to take their shot.


16 posted on 09/17/2004 7:40:07 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: jhouston; cyncooper
In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics: "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with. But none of them have called me back."

Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

Did the WaPo get Burkett's cell phone records, and link him to Cleland? Is Mr Dobbs fishing for a Pulitzer? Who will crack first? Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of "As the Dan Rather Twists."

17 posted on 09/17/2004 7:40:09 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Dan would RATHER lie.)
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To: 1stMarylandRegiment

The Washington Post "forgot" to report that Burkett was also an accomplice of Michael Moore.


18 posted on 09/17/2004 7:40:13 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jhouston
I love this line:

"I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said.

19 posted on 09/17/2004 7:40:28 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: jhouston; cyncooper

Ping to this M. Dobbs piece in the Wash Post...he picked up on the similar wording of Burkett's writings & the CYA Memo, and he quotes "run interference" as did I
& FReeper Catphish FIRST.


20 posted on 09/17/2004 7:40:45 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: EllaMinnow

Is this the same Max Cleland who blew himself up with a grenade?


21 posted on 09/17/2004 7:41:13 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jhouston
They are the first to connect this moron and his plot with the Kerry campaign and the DNC.

Via Cleland, Mr. Grenade Man. The Great Unraveling continues.

22 posted on 09/17/2004 7:41:35 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: jhouston

There's a bombshell at the end of the article.

Burkett ties in the Kerry campaign via postings he made on the internet.

Cleland admits talking to a guy named Burkett when he was in Texas in mid August. Must have been when Rassmann and Cleland were trying to storm the ranch in Crawford.

"In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics:
"I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money.
He said counterattack.
SO I GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION TO DO IT WITH.
But none of them have called me back."


23 posted on 09/17/2004 7:42:35 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: jimbo123

None other. Maybe he met Burkett when he was in Texas to deliver that whiny letter to the Crawford Ranch.


24 posted on 09/17/2004 7:42:48 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Dan would RATHER lie.)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

Mary Mapes has been digging for dirt on this story for years is what's being reported. Its been her pet project/obsession.


25 posted on 09/17/2004 7:43:25 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Use It Or Lose It
The inference is that CBS was working on a story for a very long period of time without having their documentation verified until last week? Am I missing something?

I'm pretty sure you have it correct. However, we don't know what else they may have or think they have on this subject. The "big shock" is that CBS has had one of their super star teams digging for dirt for 4+ years on President Bush.

One might expect they would at least ask sKerry to sign the 180.

26 posted on 09/17/2004 7:45:27 PM PDT by There's millions of'em (Please give the mic to Terayza...)
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To: EllaMinnow

I'll bet Michael Dobbs is going to get the Pulitzer this year.

Time to check Mary Beth Cahill's fax machine.


27 posted on 09/17/2004 7:45:58 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Use It Or Lose It
If Burkett created it, he likely did so recently, and crumpled the paper to make it seem retrieved from a trash can before he faxed it to CBS.
28 posted on 09/17/2004 7:46:54 PM PDT by Rocko (Dan Rather: "I'm GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!")
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To: jhouston
The records showed that Bush's father, who was then a Republican congressman from Houston, thanked his son's commander for taking a personal "interest in a brand new Air Force trainee."

Funny, I couldn't find any reference of the standard PR letter from the commander to Bush's father. I guess that wouldn't fit with what Dobbs was trying to insinuate. The correspondence was initiated by the commander -- standard letter that parents got while their sons were in pilot training.

USAFA sent PR releases to your hometown paper and the tradition continued in UPT as well.

Dobbs is either ignorant of the PR of the military or is relying on the general public's ignorance of SOP for the military.

29 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:16 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: jhouston
In an Aug. 25 posting to a different Web site, Online Journal, Burkett said he and other researchers had "reassembled" files showing that Bush did not fulfill his oath to obey his superior officers.

"...he and other researchers...." Who else helped him?

Good article with some new information about Burkett using some of the same language found in the forged documents on his earlier posts on the web.

30 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:27 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: ambrose
Maybe Washington comPost sees the writing is on the wall for the Kerry campaign, and wants to claim credit for bringing them down in time for Hillary to fly in on her broom.

That pig won't fly. There is no direct connection between Kerry and the memos, just connections between the memos and old line democrats. Replacing the candidate won't have any affedt. It's the DNC that's screwed. Terry McAwful is in the thick of it because he was ready from the starting gun to push a series of ads based on the CBS memos.

By the way, how did he know they were fake before CBS did?

31 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:40 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: 1stMarylandRegiment
"In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) "

Verrrrrry Interesting! 4 days later, Cleland was a couple of hours away playing the role of Democratic DramaQueen, attempting to hand-deliver a letter to W in Crawford. I'd be willing to bet that Burkett met with Cleland while he was there.
32 posted on 09/17/2004 7:49:00 PM PDT by LSU Engineer
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To: jimbo123

The WaPo also failed to mention that Burkett's claim of seeing Bush's Guard records vetted and dumped in the trash in Austin was a total fabrication - turns out that the location he claims did not ever serve as storage for TX Air Guard records - likewise Burkett's other "eye-whitness" denies the story.


33 posted on 09/17/2004 7:51:26 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: nonkultur

When Burkett contacted Kerry's campaign, he probably did it through an acquaintance -- I'll bet Ben Barnes is that contact.


34 posted on 09/17/2004 7:52:08 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: jhouston
The following is pure speculation:

Burkett is the perp. He IS the future convicted forger/felon. I am just guessing but I think how he could have gotten to CBS is through Michael Moore. That would be a possible scenario cause if I am correct Burkett was a source for Michael Moore's film. Since Burkett can't get the DNC to pay attention to him he calls Michael Moore who he knows through the film. Moore who will believe anything about Bush, then calls Rather's office. They would certainly be willing to talk to a fellow Bush hater. Hence Rather's stonewalling. To admit the evidence is forgery means he must reveal his source for the documents which would include Michael Moore. This would discredit Moore and his film and hurt Kerry's campaign.

Just a little speculation. There has to be something Rather is hiding about his source. That's the next big angle in this story.

35 posted on 09/17/2004 7:52:28 PM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: jhouston
Gov Richards' political adviser, Glenn Smith would have searched the Guard files long before 1994. He's a sleaze merchant. Currently the director of that new 527 group of Tex Vets that's launching the attack ads against Bush.

I last saw him about 25 years ago at an all nite dinner in a small East Texas town.

I stumbled in about 2 a.m. At the time he was a Houston Chronicle reporter. He waved me over to a back booth where he was huddled with a recently ousted J.P. who was spilling his guts about law enforcement involvement with marijuana growing and trafficking.

Maybe Glenn Smith did riffle the Guard files and does have some old documents. He might have passed the info to Burkett.

36 posted on 09/17/2004 7:53:03 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: macbee
"I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."
One wonders if Burkett followed Cleland's advice. If Burkett actually sent copies of the docs to the Kerry campaign (which they haven't mentioned receiving up to now), look for staffers to start scrambling for cover.

Ed Rollins said earlier in the hour on MSNBC that the docs were with the DNC and that they were actually discussing using the docs in a tv ad. It appears that the coordinated effort of "Operation Fortunate Son" by Terry McAuliffe (using the 60 minutes info) incorporates Ben Barnes, Burkett, and Dan Rather. With Max Cleland in the mix, that directly implicates the DNC and Kerry. Sounds like incestuous political relationships abound!

37 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:06 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry is a war hero. Just visit the Museum in Ho Chin Minh City.)
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To: EllaMinnow
Snippets from the article:

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"In e-mail messages to a Yahoo discussion group for Texas Democrats over the past few months, Burkett laid out a rationale for using what he termed "down and dirty" tactics against Bush. He said he had passed his ideas to the Democratic National Committee but that the DNC seemed "afraid to do what I suggest."

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"Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

/snip

Woo hoo!! The DNC had advanced knowledge of the risky forgery scheme. And Kerry's campaign also had advanced knowledge of the Democrat Watergate class dirty tricks. And as all this is going down, they say nothing other than encouraging Rather to blather on with his fraudulent activities. Looks like a criminal conspiracy to bring down a sitting president. Can you say coup attempt?

The DNC and Senator Kerry are in it up to their eyeballs. The only question left is, what did Senator Kerry know and when did he know it?

Who's gonna pardon Kerry?

38 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: 1stMarylandRegiment

You know the Dems are involved when they hired a lawyer to make sure that Burkett doesn't talk. If Burkett was a lone gunman so to speak, it would be in their interest for him to take the heat as some kind of John Hinckley with a grudge for the Bushes. Burkett better keep his mouth shut and do what he is told or there could dire consequences. Terry Lenzer and his crew was once sent to Gynnifer Flowers apartment to intimidate her through her roommate. The boys asked her roommate if Gynnifer was the kind of a person who might commit suicide, which was a clever implied threat. Gynnifer had tapes as a insurance policy. Marcia Lewis told Monica to keep the dress because she worried tha Monica might end up like Mary Mahoney. I do not know whether Burkett was wise enough to have an insurance policy like these two did. But Burkett is in over his head. But when you have had two nervous breakdowns, there are a lot of scenarios which could insure that you would never name your conspirators. If Burkett had acted alone, it would be in the Democrats interest to use him as the scapegoat, when they circled the wagons they did so to cover themselves.


39 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:48 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: DestroytheDemocrats

More from Burkett in 2003:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm

"I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records [of George W. Bush]. George W. Bush and his lieutenants were mad."


40 posted on 09/17/2004 7:56:47 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jhouston
Good post. Thanks. I wish the WAPO would note that the President has signed his form 180 and he is not the problem with the records. The problem getting all of the President's military records are that it is 30+ years ago and most likely the records are scattered here and there.

Further, would it be too much to ask that WAPO and the MSM note that Senator Kerry has not signed his form 180? This is the reason he still has hundreds of pages in his military files no one has seen. Actually, if Senator Kerry signed Form 180 he would put the Swifties out of business since the factual matter debate would soon resolve itself.

Finally, speaking as a physician I am absolutely shocked that Senator Kerry has not released his recent medical records. Remember, this man was treated for carcinoma of the prostate only about 18 months ago. Bob Dole's ca of the prostate was resolved by a radical prostatectomy about 5 years before he was a candidate for President. I note that Senator Kerry has been apparently dehydrated at times, is reported to be taking nutritional supplements to keep his weight up and surely looks flat and tired. Most likely, some of this is due to his flying so much since this can cause both pedal edema and dehydration.

When you add all the mysteries up including we really don't know about his financial status since unlike previous candidates he has not released his and Thresa's recent tax returns we really don't know much about the man. Truly shocking is that the MSM has not followed and demanded these records and findings.

It is impossible to be objective but it is possible to be fair. I appreciate the WAPO making the connection with the Kerry campaign. IMHO, Burkett is a troubled and troubling person who is probably doing better than some months ago.

41 posted on 09/17/2004 7:57:29 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Jim Robinson
Fascinating.
42 posted on 09/17/2004 7:57:55 PM PDT by Rocko (Dan Rather: "I'm GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!")
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To: jimbo123

Anybody know the links to the Yahoo groups for Burketts postings? I'd like to read them.


43 posted on 09/17/2004 7:57:56 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger Reader (Id Rather be Dead than watch CBS)
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To: jhouston

Curious.


44 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:08 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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45 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:13 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: jhouston

This is NOT going to go away. LOL


46 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: jhouston

"He said he had passed his ideas to the Democratic National Committee but that the DNC seemed "afraid to do what I suggest."

So they passed it onto C.B.S.


47 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:36 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
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To: js1138

Kerry has been accusing Bush of "sugar coating" the Iraq situation - that term was used in the memo...


48 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:48 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride."

Hmmmm... wonder if this was during the car ride to Crawford when the dirty trickster went to beg the president to call off the Swift Vet boys?

49 posted on 09/17/2004 8:00:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Use It Or Lose It
I think a more realistic explanation would be "Mary Mapes has been trying for four or five years to come up with a way to make this a story."

It has already been reported that the Kerry Campaign and/or the DNC had these documents 6 weeks ago. I suspect they "used" Burkett since everyone accepts the fact that he is an official nut case, and planted them with him. He then worked with Democratic operatives in Texas and sent the documents from the very same Kinko's that Dan Rather's daughter attended political meetings with her organization.

50 posted on 09/17/2004 8:03:19 PM PDT by TommyDale
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