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Parallels Drawn Between CBS Memos, Texan's Postings
Washington Post ^ | 09/17/2004 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:24:39 PM PDT by jhouston

The former Texas National Guard officer suspected of providing CBS News with possibly forged records on President Bush's military service called on Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks" in a series of Internet postings in which he also used phrases similar to several employed in the disputed documents. Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, who earlier said he overheard Bush aides conspiring with the commander of the Texas National Guard to "sanitize" the president's military records, has refused to comment on reports that he could be CBS's confidential source. In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billburkett; cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; michaeldobbs; rather; tang
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To: Wolfstar

"That's obsession, blind partisanship of a deeply disturbing nature, and a complete misuse of their positions in journalism..."

As Zel said, "this maniac obsession to destroy and unseat the president."

Damn, ole Zel was on the money, he had the dems right, but challeged the wrong MSM arse hole to the duel.

Of course, we too can all day dream of Chrissy at 20 paces and one of a fine London made brace.


101 posted on 09/17/2004 9:45:15 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: jimbo123
More from Burkett in 2003:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm

"...after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records [of George W. Bush]. George W. Bush and his lieutenants were mad."

Now let's put the two of these together:

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/cda/article_print/1,1983,ABIL_7959_2723860_ARTICLE-DETAIL-PRINT,00.html

Abilene article where Burkett disavows his own story that he was ordered "to falsify records, including Bush’s own official personnel records."

Quote:

That was "poorly stated," Burkett said Thursday night after his speech. He had not been ordered to falsify records, he said.

But out of loyalty, he was expected to keep mum about others’ actions to minimize negative information about Bush’s service record, he said.

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I love the "That was poorly stated".
So, is this guy just trying to make himself out to be a player? Or is he reaching for his 15mins?

102 posted on 09/17/2004 9:48:46 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: SuzanneC
This is what the DNC and Kerry campaign will wake up to read this morning. Too bad it's a Saturday, but nevermind, this is THE story of the day.

This WaPo Dobbs reporter guy, (British accent, you've seen him on tv), has just broken the case! Quite amazing! Now you read this and see if I don't have it exactly right in my own mind.

Sometime after Burkett made the tv rounds in February, he came up with the forged documents. (I think he would have used the forged documents then, if he'd had them, don't you? ) I think he created the documents himself.

Burkett told a Yahoo discussion group he had contacted the DNC with dirty tricks ideas. We don't know if Burkett sent the DNC the documents, or just told them he had something valuable. When he didn't hear back from the DNC, he called Max Cleland. (We have to find out how he got Cleland's cell phone number..my guess is from his lawyer, Os.)

Cleland told Burkett to contact the [Kerry] campaign. We need to know who Burkett contacted in the Kerry campaign, and we have to know who in the Kerry campaign made the decision to give the documents to CBS.

Dan Rather called his source for the documents, "unimpeachable". That's because his source was the Kerry Campaign, and it looks like Rather will go to the mat to avoid disclosing he got the forged documents from the Kerry Campaign.

If they were great forgeries, Dan Rather and Mapes wouldn't come off looking so partisan, so eager to destroy Bush. But they are bad forgeries, that competent, honest journalists would never use. And now we know too, that Rather intentionally presented a dishonest, biased report on 60 Minutes, omitting Killian's wife, son, and the experts who warned the documents were fakes.

Rather has got to go.

103 posted on 09/17/2004 9:49:22 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@As A Georgian, I'm Thrilled Max Cleland Is Involved In This.com)
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To: jhouston

This is a home run. FReepers were already on to this. Mike Dobbs and Howie Kurtz have been reading FR for tips on the memos and doing their research from there.


104 posted on 09/17/2004 9:53:01 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: YaYa123
Here's our latest effort:

Burkett's Incriminating Cyber Trail

Washington Post ace Michael Dobbs continues to do more great work breaking Memogate wide open:

The former Texas National Guard officer suspected of providing CBS News with possibly forged records on President Bush's military service called on Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks" in a series of Internet postings in which he also used phrases similar to several employed in the disputed documents. [...]

In e-mail messages to a Yahoo discussion group for Texas Democrats over the past few months, Burkett laid out a rationale for using what he termed "down and dirty" tactics against Bush. He said he had passed his ideas to the Democratic National Committee but that the DNC seemed "afraid to do what I suggest."

In another message, dated Sept. 4, Burkett hinted he might have had advance knowledge of some details in an explosive segment that aired Sept. 8 on the CBS News program "60 Minutes." [...]

"I believe that Bush knows that there is more coming out than Ben Barnes," Burkett wrote. "No proof, just gut instinct."

In an Aug. 13 essay for a liberal web site called OnlineJournal.com, Burkett hinted again that President Bush was going to be attacked. This time he was more specific:

Americans will get through the gotchas of the preemptive strike from the Republican swift boat crews who want to elevate obviously flimsy charges in order to immunize Americans from more Bush assaults. The Bush assaults are rumored to finally close the issue of Bush's disappearance from his Air National Guard duty in Alabama; efforts and methods to falsify and cover up Bush problems in his files; and the obvious disciplinary actions that led to his grounding from flying. Both sides will count on the electorate to sicken of this style and leave the real meat on the table untouched.

As documented in most recent polls, the real issues of Iraq have already required enough Maalox for most Americans. Most Americans don't like war. They are rapidly moving their focus to their domestic issues of jobs, healthcare and education.

Burkett elaborated on his thoughts in an Aug. 31 posting not printed in the Post:

While some of us pine for the return of Bill CLinton, that's not the real answer. Many of us have risked everything on this election. And the disappointment is deep and difficult to manage.

But we fight on, inspite of incompetance at the top.

The truth probably is that many of the insiders simply didn't think to chekc someone out in Texas. Does that mean they won't check out those that submit themselves for key positions, as well. That's what we all think.

CBS has said that it obtained its controversial documents within the last few weeks. It may have received them from Burkett following the latter's unsuccessful attempts to pass them on to former Democratic senator Max Cleland who traveled to Texas in late August. Before Cleland's trip, Burkett had telephoned the ex-senator saying that he had damaging information about Bush. He was told to pass this information along to the Democratic National Committe but, according to the Post, national hq was less than enthusiastic.

In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics: "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack. So I gave them the information to do it with. But none of them have called me back."

Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

Update 00:48 A long-time associate of Burkett's is James Moore, a former reporter for CBS's Houston affiliate, KHOU. Since 1994, Moore has been hounding Bush over his National Guard service. Eventually, he left "objective" journalism and has since become a part of the anti-Bush cottage industry that has sprung up following Bush's emergence as a national figure. He is the author of two books on the president, Bush's Brain and Bush's War for Reelection.

While researching his second book, Moore received assistance from Burkett who provided him with a number of documents which Moore used to make the case that Bush had acted dishonorably during Vietnam. Some of these documents were given to CBS News which used them in a Feb. 12 report which relayed Burkett's charges that Bush had instructed staff members to destroy documents which cast doubt on his Guard service.

Mary Mapes, the producer of CBS's Sept. 8 report which relied on the controversial Memogate documents likely was the recipient of these papers since, according to the network, she has been working on the Bush Guard story for the past five years. Mapes is also based in Dallas.

105 posted on 09/17/2004 9:53:30 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: crazyhorse691

But, if Burkett is criminally charged, (Texas is not New Yawk or Berkeley CA, a GOP governor will take this very, very, series) he will turn on all the lot to save his own sorry arse.

Can you see it now, CBS and Rather pulled down for witness and evidence tampering? The DNC for knowingly passing along forged military documents? Ah, what a fantasy.


106 posted on 09/17/2004 9:55:15 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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Burkett needs to start singing to the FBI. Otherwise, the DNC is going to leave him holding the bag.


107 posted on 09/17/2004 10:02:26 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: jhouston
For his part, Burkett said in an Aug. 25 posting to a different Web site, Online Journal, that he and other researchers had "reassembled" files showing that Bush did not fulfill his oath to obey his superior officers.

Considering Burkett's habit of posting on message boards .. I have a feeling that shouldn't be too hard to tract down

108 posted on 09/17/2004 10:11:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: KingKongCobra
Burkett, by all accounts is a paranoid, delusional nut case. heck someone will find him face down in a ditch before he goes to the FBI, the Texas Rangers or any body else who might actually help him

Wonder if it was planned that way?
109 posted on 09/17/2004 10:12:14 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: YaYa123
Sometime after Burkett made the tv rounds in February, he came up with the forged documents. (I think he would have used the forged documents then, if he'd had them, don't you? ) I think he created the documents himself.

From what I can gather from researching ... they didn't have the documents in Feb .. but were in search of them.

110 posted on 09/17/2004 10:26:49 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: YaYa123; Dolphy
From another thread:

James Moore shares Devine's view that Bush's faith -- in God and in his own policies -- is misplaced. In Bush's War for Re-Election: Iraq, the White House, and the People (Wiley, $37.99), Moore, co-author of the bestselling Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential, castigates Bush's wartime leadership...

Through interviews with soldiers and family members of those who died in battle, Moore conveys the deep resentment toward Bush felt by at least some military families. Moore also conducted revealing interviews with former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, former Sen. Max Cleland and Bill Burkett, a lieutenant colonel in the Texas National Guard and a frequent Bush critic.

78 posted on 09/17/2004 11:42:47 PM CDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)

Post #78

111 posted on 09/17/2004 10:27:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Why is this guy not behind bars by now? And for that matter, why is "Baghdad-Bob/Dan" still on the loose??
112 posted on 09/17/2004 10:30:52 PM PDT by danamco
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To: YaYa123

>>>Sometime after Burkett made the tv rounds in February, he came up with the forged documents. (I think he would have used the forged documents then, if he'd had them, don't you? ) <<<

No. I think maybe these were supposed to be saved for an October surprise but the success of the SwiftVet ads forced them to use the memo's sooner.


113 posted on 09/17/2004 10:35:37 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Have you forgotten?)
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To: jhouston

MEDIA ETHICS PROJECT SEEKS FCC RULING AGAINST CBS NEWS FOR RATHERGATE



Media Ethics Project (“MEP”) of New York today petitioned the FCC to sanction CBS News and its parent organization, Viacom, Inc., for its recent broadcast of news reports based on forged documents.

In announcing the FCC filing, MEP Chairman William L. Whitely stated: “Most people familiar with Dan Rather’s reports have seen solid evidence from various credible sources showing the documents to be forged. Yet, day in and day out, CBS has stubbornly continued to maintain that the memos are authentic. This supremely arrogant conduct violates the public trust and FCC rules and policies. Viacom cannot be allowed to flaunt the Commission’s rules in this manner. ”

MEP seeks a ruling by the FCC finding that the deliberate actions of CBS and Viacom maintaining the authenticity of the documents, constitute broadcasting of falsified, faked, distorted or staged news reports in violation of e Commission policies. MEP is asking the FCC to sanction Viacom including imposing fines and ordering forfeiture of one or more broadcast licenses .

Mr. Whitely added that, “This whole episode must be regarded as a remarkable failure of management. It is truly sad that the proud traditions of professionalism of CBS News, the division built by the likes of Morrow, Severeid, Reasoner, Mudd and Cronkite, have been allowed to slowly fade away. In their place is an organization where unprincipled ego, bias, negligence, partisanship and vindictiveness apparently determine the setting of management policy. Such changes are not in the best interest of CBS, the CBS affiliates and CBS shareholders, nor, most certainly, are they in the public interest as well. Staying to this course, the House that Paley Built will likely become the Network that Rather Wrecked.”

MEP has asked that the FCC expedite its consideration of the group’s Petition for Declaratory Ruling against CBS News.

See a full copy of the MEP Petition for Declaratory Ruling at http://mediaethicsproject.blogspot.com/ or www.mediaethics.8k.com

With MEP's filing, the FCC now has a formal Petition to review requesting that CBS be found guilty for violating Commission policy prohibiting the broadcasting of falsified, faked, distorted or staged news reports as contrary to the public interest.

All interested parties will now be able to contact the FCC to request that it take immediate action on the MEDIA ETHICS PROJECT Petition For Declaratory Ruling Against CBS News.

FCC Contact Information:

Chairman Michael K. Powell: Michael.Powell@fcc.gov ---
Commissioner Kathleen Q. Abernathy: Kathleen.Abernathy@fcc.gov --- Commissioner Michael J. Copps: Michael.Copps@fcc.gov ---
Commissioner Kevin J. Martin: KJMWEB@fcc.gov ---
Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein: Jonathan.Adelstein@fcc.gov


114 posted on 09/17/2004 10:53:18 PM PDT by tvn
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To: jhouston
Let's take another look at Burkett's lawyer

Van Os & Cleland
115 posted on 09/17/2004 11:18:33 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: YaYa123
Cleland told Burkett to contact the [Kerry] campaign.

I can't figure out when he got the job, but he had it in August. Cleland is Co-chairman of the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

116 posted on 09/18/2004 12:05:32 AM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: jhouston
Check out Burkett's "ranch". It is a mobile home in a yard festooned with inoperative vehicles.


117 posted on 09/18/2004 12:17:07 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: bayourod

Very interesting, Rod. I've been wondering why no-one on the other side's asked, 'if these documents are real, why didn't Ma Richards' people find them? Or Gore's people?' Whoever's pulling the strings selected Rather and Burkett very carefully. The egomaniac, and the flake-with-an-ax-to-grind. Perfect patsies.


118 posted on 09/18/2004 4:02:20 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Wild_Bill_8881
...Burkett, by all accounts is a paranoid, delusional nut case...

He writes quite lucidly. Is that his handlers' fallback position, 'he's just some wacko, acting on his own'?

119 posted on 09/18/2004 4:08:45 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: jhouston

I swear the news reads FR to figure out what to report.


120 posted on 09/18/2004 4:21:57 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

It has become evident that he doesn't have a leg to stand on.


121 posted on 09/18/2004 5:19:34 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: nonkultur; SuzanneC
GREAT catch nonkultur!!

And isn't this just like Max!! So anxious to be in the limelight, so eager to please.

122 posted on 09/18/2004 5:32:46 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@As A Georgian, I'm Thrilled Max Cleland Is Involved In This.com)
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To: crazyhorse691

I hate sites that require registration. Do you know of a password I can use?


123 posted on 09/18/2004 5:51:38 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Plutarch
Re post 117

Actually, that's a rather nice ranch house for that part of Texas. I still prefer the ones made out of rocks tho.

124 posted on 09/18/2004 7:32:44 AM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: jhouston

The dominoes appear to be falling.

125 posted on 09/18/2004 9:22:22 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

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http://www.texassimmentalsimbrah.com/cattleforsale.html

I know let's call him at his phone number and get the scoop ourselves?? ;-) Hehehe


126 posted on 09/18/2004 1:59:32 PM PDT by FactsNotHearsayPlease
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