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Friend does not see duo as threat
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | 18 September 2004 | Bill Hess

Posted on 09/18/2004 7:16:47 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

DOUGLAS - Around 1 a.m. Thursday, Bill Dore received a call from a friend asking him to watch over his ranch and his two dogs.

When Dore went to the ranch complex of three buildings, he was refused entrance because the compound was under the control of the FBI.

Dore received the call from Casey James Nethercott, who at the time of phone talk was in FBI custody at the Cochise County Jail in Bisbee.

Nethercott, 37, told him that Kalen Robert Riddle, who is called "Tiny" - though he weighs more than 350 pounds - had been shot.

"He told me he thought Tiny was dead," Dore said.

As of Friday night, Riddle was listed in critical condition at the University Medical Center in Tucson where he was flown after being shot by an FBI agent around 11 p.m. Wednesday.

Dore shocked by FBI measures

Federal agents were in the process of serving an arrest warrant on Nethercott for an alleged assault against U.S. Border Patrol agents on Aug. 31.

According to an FBI press release, Nethercott and Riddle took actions considered dangerous as the warrant was being served in the Douglas Safeway parking lot. The FBI statement said those actions led to the shooting of Riddle, who was called Nethercott's bodyguard. Nethercott reportedly fled on foot but was quickly apprehended.

During a Friday telephone interview, Dore, who was at Nethercott's residence, said he was shocked the FBI took such harsh measures. He said neither man is a danger to others, and the only thing they wanted to do was to protect the border from an invasion of illegal immigrants coming into the United States.

Riddle allegedly neo-Nazi

Bill Straus, the Arizona regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, has a different view on one of the men - Riddle - who he said is a neo-Nazi and is the main recruiter for a group calling itself the Arizona Guard, a militia-type organization established to do armed patrolling of the Arizona border with Mexico "from a compound in Douglas."

Dore said Riddle is not a Nazi sympathizer, although the 22-year-old man who is reported in a coma in the Tucson medical facility, subscribed to some of Hitler's views.

The only Nazi-like view Riddle supported was that a nation must have secured borders to protect its sovereignty, Dore said.

"He did not support genocide," he remarked.

Straus said he has seen a photo of Riddle on a Web site wearing a Nazi uniform complete with swastika armbands and carrying a rifle, all part of his recruiting effort for the Arizona Guard. The swastika was the symbol of Hitler's Nazi party.

That picture has been removed from the Arizona Guard's Web site, Straus added. "But I've seen it."

Dore said he never saw such a photograph of Riddle dressed in a Nazi uniform. Riddle has a collection of World War II German memorabilia, mostly medals, he said, noting many people collect such items.

In a Wednesday press release, Straus noted anti-immigration organizations such as Arizona Guard and Ranch Rescue attract white supremacists and extremist support.

"That in turn poses a threat to people living and traveling along our border, including law enforcement. It is a hate-filled and hate-fueled environment and who better to spread the message of hat than neo-Nazi and white supremacists," Straus said.

Nethercott supported Riddle in his recruiting efforts, the Arizona regional director of the ADL states. The league was formed in 1913 and is considered the leading organization fighting anti-Semitism, with the organization taking stands on other non-Jewish issues involving hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

Dore cannot bring himself to accept that Nethercott or Riddle are either neo-Nazis or white supremacists.

What is important to Dore, who lives about five miles from the Nethercott ranch, is one of his friends is in federal custody and the other is in a hospital fighting for his life.

Spencer says not many involved

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol, is another man who wants the border controlled and illegal activities stopped.

He, too, has been brushed with allegations he is a racist, something that has not been proven, he said.

When he moved his operation from California to Sierra Vista four years ago, Spencer admitted he gave inflammatory speeches, something he has no problem doing again. He said the speeches were to increase awareness of the border problems facing Arizonans.

Spencer said his nonprofit organization is more involved in showing how technology can be used to control the border and spot illegal immigrants and drug smugglers can be found and apprehended.

To a degree the American Border Patrol, which is not associated with the U.S. Border Patrol, has pioneered the use of small unmanned aerial vehicles and up-to-date sensor technology along the border. The Department of Homeland Security is testing pilotless planes long after the nonprofit group proved their worth, he said.

Having survived to some degree the cries that his organization is a front for improper border control policies - sometimes he has been labeled a vigilante, racist or white supremacist - Spencer said there is a continuing frustration about how the federal government does not control its international boundaries, mainly with Mexico.

To him, Nethercott and Riddle are part of a small group that lack much influence along the border.

"I'm surprised more people haven't done this," Spencer said about people becoming members of armed patrols along the border.

The few followers of the Arizona Guard and Ranch Rescue are not a threat to law enforcement in the area, he said.

No flood of radicals

Nethercott initially was a supporter of Ranch Rescue, a group from Texas that came into Arizona to protect ranchers and others who live along the border.

But Nethercott broke with Ranch Rescue, kicking its leader, Jack Foote, and others off his property.

According to sources, that led to the establishment of Arizona Guard, led by Nethercott and his chief lieutenant, Riddle.

Spencer said he does not advocate how Arizona Guard and Ranch Rescue operate. But, he said, for people to think Cochise County is becoming vigilante central is wrong.

"There hasn't been a flood of radicals here," Spencer said.

Area resident's are discontent by inept federal government's policies that leave them unprotected from the massive flow of illegal immigrants and drug smugglers, he said.

"Our government is not protecting us," Spencer exclaimed.

Dore agrees the U.S. government has been lax in its constitutional duties, the main one is to protect the nation's borders from invasion.

To him, what is happening along the border is an invasion of America's sovereignty. And to him, Nethercott and Riddle are only doing what is allowed by the Constitution.

Protecting two dogs main concern

Dore's immediate concern though it to make sure Nethercott's property and his two dogs, Varos and Fossi, are protected.

Nethercott was concerned the FBI would harm the two dogs, especially Varos, a 130-pound animal trained to attack, Dore said.

One of the first things the FBI wanted done was to have the dogs removed from the property, but they would not allow him on the compound to do that, Dore exclaimed.

Instead the Cochise County Animal Control Officer Raul Saavedra was called, and he had no problem with the dogs, Dore said.

As for the future of the animals, the FBI didn't care if the dogs were put down or put in a shelter, he remarked.

Fortunately, Saavedra is a professional animal control officer and took good care of Varos and Fossi until he returned them Friday, Dore said.

"The FBI was also afraid the place was booby trapped," Dore declared with a soft laugh.

The FBI was using a search warrant to look for weapons.

Nethercott has criminal record

Nethercott has a criminal record that includes assault with a firearm in California and pistol-whipping an illegal immigrant in Texas. He served time for the California and is appealing the Texas conviction.

As for Riddle, Dore said he likes to swagger by overdressing with "knives and pistols."

The complaint filed by the U.S. Border Patrol that on Aug. 31 three agents were assaulted by Nethercott and Riddle. Dore said he doesn't believe it happened.

What he was told by Nethercott was the agents followed him up to the entrance of the ranch and Riddle came out and there was a verbal confrontation with the agents demanding Riddle, who was armed, to lay on the ground, which the man did. The FBI did not say what led the U.S Border Patrol agents to follow Nethercott.

However, according to the complaint, Nethercott said as far as he was concerned he could engage in a shoot-out then and there. Riddle eventually laid on the ground.

Dore said Cochise County sheriff deputies helped diffuse the situation, and he credits Sheriff Larry Dever and Chief Deputy Rod Rothrock for their help on many occasions when federal agents, and Nethercott and Riddle, had confrontations.

As for part of federal complaint, it stated on Aug. 31 other Arizona Guard members hid in the bushes and behind vehicles on the ranch. Dore said that to his knowledge, the only ones who were there was Nethercott and Riddle.

As for the FBI account of what happened Wednesday night in the grocery store parking lot, he said he can't believe either man tried to draw weapons on FBI agents.

"That's not them," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; fbi; immigrantlist; ranchrescue; shooting; vigilantes
Curiouser and curiouser.
1 posted on 09/18/2004 7:16:48 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder
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To: B4Ranch; madfly; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Joe Hadenuf; 4Freedom; Ajnin; Marine Inspector; ..

Ping!


2 posted on 09/18/2004 7:17:26 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I heard on the news out here, that the nazis were down on the border. Guess it was true.


3 posted on 09/18/2004 7:18:38 PM PDT by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: JackelopeBreeder
...Riddle allegedly neo-Nazi...

Classic FBI, isn't it? No details about the incident, won't ID the shooter, but slander, slander, slander the victim, while he's in intensive care. Reno would be proud.

4 posted on 09/18/2004 7:21:20 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: starvingstudent

I'm not so sure. I live here and this is the first word we've heard of any neo-nazi types in the area.


5 posted on 09/18/2004 7:27:44 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Like the totally innocent kid back east, FBI blasted him in the face for obeying their order to exit the car. He went to get out and they let him have it with a M-16, blowing half his face off. Anyone ever hear how that one came out.


6 posted on 09/18/2004 7:29:02 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

>>Curiouser and curiouser.<<

Headed for worser and worser.


7 posted on 09/18/2004 7:36:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people´s liberty´s teeth.)
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To: starvingstudent
I heard on the news out here, that the nazis were down on the border. Guess it was true.

You heard what? From who? And could you please fill us in on what provoked the shooting incident, since the MSM has declined to do so. Thanks!

8 posted on 09/18/2004 7:37:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I would love to get David Hardy's take on this incident.


9 posted on 09/18/2004 7:38:38 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert ("Don't be an economic girlie-man" Ah-nuld)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Rumor and speculation. Stay on top of this but don't form an opinion just yet. There is more to this story than what's been said so far. As with most, the truth is somewhere in the middle.


10 posted on 09/18/2004 7:39:29 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Classic FBI, isn't it? No details about the incident, won't ID the shooter, but slander, slander, slander the victim, while he's in intensive care. Reno would be proud.

In the eyes of illegal alien activists and sympathizers, anyone who doesn't agree with them is a Nazi stormtrooper or a racist. Is this what America is coming to?

11 posted on 09/18/2004 7:41:27 PM PDT by janetgreen (CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Classic FBI, isn't it? No details about the incident, won't ID the shooter, but slander, slander, slander the victim, while he's in intensive care. Reno would be proud.

Yes she would.

Lets see, they are expecting 3 million to enter our country illegally this year, IN WAR TIME YET....

Our hospitals are closing due to thousands that don't pay, our over crowded classrooms and jails have become jammed with thousands of illegals, they are causing untold chaos to our social services, and economy, the landscape is littered with American citizen victims of illegal alien crimes, they are bringing in *tons* of drugs into our country from Mexico routinely.

Mexico was not part of Bush's coalition in Iraq, President Bush stated recently, "Mexico is our good friend" as both the Democrats and Republicans pander too and kiss the butts of these invaders,......

But forget all that folks, because, THERE ARE NAZIS ON THE BORDER!

OMG!

12 posted on 09/18/2004 7:48:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Glenn

There isn't enough information yet for me to form an opinion.

Maybe I should have said that I know everyone mentioned in this story except Tiny Riddle and the guy from the ADL. I even know the reporter. This incident really has us locals wondering exactly what went down.


13 posted on 09/18/2004 7:49:37 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Glenn
Stay on top of this but don't form an opinion just yet.

I am totally pro LE. That being said, how could anyone form an opinion on this incident, that is now three or four days old, when we have yet to see any details regarding the shooting incident.

If I didn't know better, I'd say the FBI was waiting to see if someone was going to die.

Most of the comments here have been directed at the secrecy of the shooting incident, and the total lack of details. However, whoever is writing these articles has gone out of their way to discredit these individuals, and speculate and imply that they are some kind of neo nazi, militia group that is endangering the citizens of Arizona. They have given every detail imaginable, and made many implications and speculations about who these folks are. Yet zip, nada regarding the details of the shooting.

Strange.

14 posted on 09/18/2004 7:57:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
As of Friday night, Riddle was listed in critical condition at the University Medical Center in Tucson where he was flown after being shot by an FBI agent around 11 p.m. Wednesday.

This is the first we heard of Riddle's condition, no?

I sincerely hope he lives through this to testify in his defense.

15 posted on 09/18/2004 8:07:29 PM PDT by kstewskis (BUSH-GIBSON 2004)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Very strange. One might almost think that the fedgov doesn't want the border closed to criminal invaders.

Nah, couldn't be, not in wartime.


16 posted on 09/18/2004 8:12:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Strange is an understatement.

Nethercott's ranch has been all but deserted since the local Ranch Rescue chapter self-destructed some months ago. It doesn't make sense for that scorched patch of kitty-litter to suddenly become a hotbed of Nazis.

Even when it was still a Ranch Rescue operation, they never did anything and their accomplishments amounted to a big round zero.


17 posted on 09/18/2004 8:24:23 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: kstewskis
I sincerely hope he lives through this to testify in his defense.

Hell, I wish someone would say what happened. The FBI and the MSM has danced around the details of this shooting for three or four days. I wade through 40 paragraphs, and not a peep about any details regarding the shooting incident. LOL!

18 posted on 09/18/2004 8:29:57 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Travis McGee
Very strange. One might almost think that the fedgov doesn't want the border closed to criminal invaders.

That's crossed my mind once or twice...

19 posted on 09/18/2004 8:39:16 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Note to feds: I'm Joe's friend AND he is a threat!

Joe: this should keep them away.

courtesy bump!

20 posted on 09/18/2004 8:41:42 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: JackelopeBreeder

More likely it is some sort of twisted propaganda thing to discredit and stifle any sort of normal public outcry at our failed border security. The general idea is to equate, in the sheeple's minds, that any sort of objection to porosity at the border means "nazi". Rinse, lather, repeat. It's a pretty effective technique, though pretty scurvy.


21 posted on 09/18/2004 8:46:17 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: CWOJackson
Uh, CWO if your going to make an attempt at humor, please, at least make it funny.

Now take a nap.

22 posted on 09/18/2004 8:59:20 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Last courtesy bump you get from me.


23 posted on 09/18/2004 9:05:33 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Oh come on CWO. I was just funnin. You've rang my bell, but I still love yea.


24 posted on 09/18/2004 9:09:56 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Just don't say I'm your friend now...you never know who's reading.


25 posted on 09/18/2004 9:11:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

LOL.


26 posted on 09/18/2004 9:14:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

This sounds alot like Richard Jewell. The MSM and FBI had an actual hero guilty. They even consficated his Mother's tupperware.

Stories like this makes me wonder what the real story is.


27 posted on 09/18/2004 9:32:20 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo

Did they FBI ever get the real bomber in the Jewell/Olympic incident? If so, was he actually convicted? My memory is going southbound.


28 posted on 09/18/2004 9:37:38 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Freedom4US
The real "Nazis" are the pure-blooded, 'white' Spaniards, south of our border and in the Caribbean, that are chasing the dark-skinned among the their population into the continental United States.

In the Census 2000, 80% of Puerto Ricans declared themselves 'white' and their island's population is getting whiter every day.

Mexico's doing the same thing.

Didn't we just bomb the hell out of Bosnia for engaging in 'ethnic cleansing'?

Why are we allowing Mexico, Central and South America and Puerto Rico to get away with it?

Why don't the 'white' Spaniards consider 'diversity' to be a strength?

If you're black, they won't let you drink out of the water fountains or eat in their cafeterias in Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico: ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM DOMINICAN REPUBLIC CULTURE CLASH

The homeless say they have it better than a black person in Puerto Rico.

That's probably just as true in Mexico.

29 posted on 09/18/2004 9:40:40 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Did they FBI ever get the real bomber in the Jewell/Olympic incident?

Not to my knowledge. However, maybe the bombers family will turn him in 20 years from now like the una bombers family did.

30 posted on 09/18/2004 9:45:37 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: 4Freedom
Interesting you say that. The other day we were flipping channals and a Spanish broadcast station came on. We watched it for about 10 minutes, and everyone on it appeared white or Caucasian, nothing like the illegals we see coming here by the millions.
31 posted on 09/18/2004 9:53:21 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
In my last post on that thread I linked to, I linked to the pictures of 100 contestants in the Miss Puerto Rico Pageant and I challenged a Puerto Rican FReeper to find the 'black' contestants.

I never heard from him again.

George W. Bush would win the Miss Puerto Rico Contest before a black girl, born in Puerto Rico of black parents from the Dominican Republic, would.

LOL!

32 posted on 09/18/2004 10:05:59 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: texastoo

I can't find any Arizona Guard website and the only mention of Kalen Riddle on any search engine is about this incident. A bit odd for a supposedly well-known Nazi.


33 posted on 09/18/2004 10:11:50 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: idratherbepainting

Neat trick -- a simple misspelling renders them invisible to search engines.


35 posted on 09/18/2004 11:24:40 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: idratherbepainting

I still can't find a damn thing connecting Tiny Riddle to any neo-nazi/skinhead/white supremcist groups.


37 posted on 09/19/2004 12:02:21 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: idratherbepainting

Really. As far as the great World Wide Web is concerned, Kalen Robert Riddle was born only moments before someone turned his spleen into something resembling burrito stuffing.


38 posted on 09/19/2004 12:08:36 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Sounds to me like someone is trying to bring America to it's knees.


39 posted on 09/19/2004 12:14:26 AM PDT by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Like the totally innocent kid back east, FBI blasted him in the face for obeying their order to exit the car. He went to get out and they let him have it with a M-16, blowing half his face off. Anyone ever hear how that one came out.

Baltimore, Md. - A federal judge has ruled that an Anne Arundel County man can sue the FBI (website) agent who shot him in the face after mistaking him for a bank robber. Special agent Christopher Braga shot 21-year-old Joseph Schultz during a botched arrest in March of last year.

Braga had asked the judge to dismiss the case, but the judge granted him only a partial victory - dismissing negligence claims and other allegations, but not the excessive force claim.

The judge dismissed all claims against another agent at the scene, Lawrence Brosnan. One claim remains against a third agent, Henry Hanburger, on grounds he improperly ordered a stop of the car Schultz was in.

http://www.wjla.com/../../news/stories/1103/110348.html <-- Nov 14, 2003

by Gregory Kane, The Baltimore Sun [US]
July 14th, 2002

White is the lawyer for FBI Special Agent Christopher Braga, who shot Joseph Schultz in the face March 1. Braga and other agents had stopped Schultz's girlfriend, Krissy Harkum, as she drove her Pontiac Grand Am along Fort Smallwood Road in Anne Arundel County. Schultz was a passenger in the car. The feds were looking for a bank robber. Problem was - not the only one in this case, and not the biggest - Schultz wasn't the guy.

On July 2, an Anne Arundel grand jury refused to indict Braga for making Schultz endure years of facial reconstructive surgery. Braga had committed neither first-degree assault, second-degree assault nor reckless endangerment, the grand jury ruled after carefully considering the weighty matter for all of 20 minutes.

http://newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=1829 <-- Not original source

I haven't found anything more recent than the November 2003 story. It sounds as though a civil case is proceeding. I don't know if Mr. Schultz received compensation from the FBI for his medical treatment.
41 posted on 09/19/2004 1:09:42 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: JackelopeBreeder
...a simple misspelling renders them invisible to search engines.

And simple misspellings and typos are abundant in the article. For instance...

...and who better to spread the message of hat than neo-Nazi and white supremacists," Straus said.
Sometimes those "messages of hat" will get you shot. ;^)
42 posted on 09/19/2004 1:29:44 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: JackelopeBreeder; All
Ok here go the feds again....

Riddle allegedly neo-Nazi

Bill Straus, the Arizona regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, has a different view on one of the men - Riddle - who he said is a neo-Nazi and is the main recruiter for a group calling itself the Arizona Guard, a militia-type organization established to do armed patrolling of the Arizona border with Mexico "from a compound in Douglas."

TOTAL BULL$HI+ and quite typical, the feds probably are figuring out Riddle is gonna live and now they are gonna pour on the demonizing "krap-ola." He will be a pedophile next...

Dore said "Riddle is not a Nazi sympathizer, although the 22-year-old man who is reported in a coma in the Tucson medical facility, subscribed to some of Hitler's views."

Check out which ones....

The only Nazi-like view Riddle supported was that a nation must have secured borders to protect its sovereignty, Dore said.

So protecting the international border is what the fbi considers to be Nazi activity and beliefs? The fed's just might want to reconsider..

Article IV, Section 4,
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

Article I., Section 8,
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . . .To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

Why... yes! That WOULD be the United States Constitution, thank you. Apparently (and it ain't the first time) that the fbi in that neck of the woods has called normal Americans "nazis" because those very same Americans support the U.S. C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N, nothing more.

Said it before, I will probably have cause to say it many more times, the feds have become a bunch of sloppy thugs.

43 posted on 09/19/2004 3:49:54 PM PDT by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Heard a lot of rumors. Still waiting to see the CCTV camera footage from the ranch that day.

They stationed guards, had watches...patrols. Tell me there was no video monitoring in place.

The story keeps changing. We're not going to get the truth for years on this one....just like the others.

/tinfoil


44 posted on 09/19/2004 5:10:08 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I still can't find a damn thing connecting Tiny Riddle to any neo-nazi/skinhead/white supremcist groups.

And if he was --- it's not a good thing --- but what's the difference between any of those and the Muslims except the Muslims are arab supremists. FBI agents aren't even shooting suspected Al Queda sympathizers yet Riddle apparently committed no crime. It's not a crime to be a racial supremist per se --- or why isn't the FBI shooting La Raza members?

45 posted on 09/20/2004 5:45:22 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: starvingstudent

If they were Nazis wouldn't they be looking for Jews? --- and you aren't going to find all that many Jews on the border. Or has the label been expanded to include all types who don't want a wide open border? Because if so then it would have to include many hispanics also living on the border who aren't in favor of open borders and uncontrolled immigration.


46 posted on 09/20/2004 5:50:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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