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Ex-guardsman gave Bush records to Cleland
Washington Times/AP ^ | 9/19/04

Posted on 09/18/2004 10:48:59 PM PDT by ambrose

Ex-guardsman gave Bush records to Cleland

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A retired Texas National Guard officer mentioned as a source of disputed documents on President Bush's service in the Guard said he passed along information to a former senator working with Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry's campaign.

In an Aug. 21 e-mail to a list of Texas Democrats, Bill Burkett said after getting through "seven layers of bureaucratic kids" in the Kerry campaign, he talked with former Sen. Max Cleland, Georgia Democrat, about information that would counter criticism of Mr. Kerry's Vietnam War service.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ap; billburkett; cleland; forgery; killian; napalminthemorning
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1 posted on 09/18/2004 10:48:59 PM PDT by ambrose
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2 posted on 09/18/2004 10:51:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose

I suspect that Cleland will end up being a big wheel in the Kerry's demise.


3 posted on 09/18/2004 10:52:21 PM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: Travis McGee

if we loaded all of those bozoids onto a decommissioned Swift Boat, could we call it the "ship of tools"?
(and, then, could we hose it with a Mk19?)


4 posted on 09/18/2004 10:53:39 PM PDT by King Prout (civilization is a veneereal disease)
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To: ambrose

What dates were those memos faxed to CBS and was Cleland in Texas at the time?


5 posted on 09/18/2004 10:54:35 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: ambrose

I believe its time for the media to take up Mr Rather's challenging tone... to ask KERRY some hard questions.


6 posted on 09/18/2004 10:54:54 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Bertha Fanation
I suspect that Cleland will end up being a big wheel in the Kerry's demise.

Hey, hey, hey! Are you questioning his patriotism? He's a WAR HERO, donchaknow. =)

7 posted on 09/18/2004 10:55:10 PM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: ambrose

That's a link to the Kerry campaign...wonder if NYT's will do a flow chart? Much simpler one than the GOP=Swift Boats...doubt anyone draws that line in the MSM


8 posted on 09/18/2004 10:55:32 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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To: ambrose

Ha! Cleland! How fitting....this guy is slime and just filled with hate. Probably met with the guy when he was in Texas last month protesting at Pres. Bush's ranch. Probably faxed them directly from the Kinko's. Should be easy to identify if he was in that town.


9 posted on 09/18/2004 10:56:27 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Bertha Fanation

How many holes can you shoot through a tin can before you have no can?


10 posted on 09/18/2004 10:56:55 PM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: ambrose

BTTT


11 posted on 09/18/2004 10:57:18 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ambrose

The headline is a bit misleading. The article says that Burkett gave "information" to Cleland. It doesn't say what the information was. The big question remains who actually gave the documents to CBS, and what did the Kerry/DNC people know and when did they know it?


12 posted on 09/18/2004 10:57:35 PM PDT by kesg
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To: ambrose

MAX: The bitter butterball.


13 posted on 09/18/2004 10:59:24 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: ambrose
New Kerry/Edwards Slogan


14 posted on 09/18/2004 11:00:00 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: Republic Rocker

It would take a bunch....

But just a few will allow that can to sink in a lake.


15 posted on 09/18/2004 11:00:18 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: ambrose

16 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:34 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: spyone
Ha! Cleland! How fitting....this guy is slime and just filled with hate. Probably met with the guy when he was in Texas last month protesting at Pres. Bush's ranch. Probably faxed them directly from the Kinko's. Should be easy to identify if he was in that town.

My recollection is that Cleland tried to hand-deliver that ridiculous letter on the Wednesday before the Republican convention. That would have been August 25, 2004, after the discussion with Burkett. Hmm...it should be easy to identify where Cleland and Burkett were between August 21 and August 25. If CBS's source is Cleland, that fact would nail the Kerry campaign real good. :)

17 posted on 09/18/2004 11:02:16 PM PDT by kesg
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220225/posts

Lots of discussion here, time lines, longer Washington Post story (same raw material) ...

18 posted on 09/18/2004 11:02:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Always Right

They were faxed September 2.

He was there the 24th of August.


19 posted on 09/18/2004 11:02:28 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Cleland may well be the source.

Think about it - Burkett is damaged goods. Even liberal Rags like the Boston Globe said he was discredited and not to be believed.

Max Cleland, on other hand, may well be Danny's "unimpeachable source."

I could be wrong, but Max Cleland has yet to deny this allegation. Therefore, we can assume he is indeed the culprit.


20 posted on 09/18/2004 11:04:42 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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I would not be surprised at all if Cleland turns out to be the 'unimpeachable' source.


21 posted on 09/18/2004 11:04:44 PM PDT by illini20
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To: ambrose

22 posted on 09/18/2004 11:04:49 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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23 posted on 09/18/2004 11:06:59 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: ambrose

The next question is will Burkett squeal like a stuck pig.

And will Cleland take one for the team.

With his visible hatred for Bush, I can connect that dot.


24 posted on 09/18/2004 11:07:01 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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25 posted on 09/18/2004 11:10:52 PM PDT by Jenya (Buy Unfit for Command. Donate to Swiftvets.com. It's your American duty.)
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To: Howlin

The Wash. Times article quotes Cleland as saying he told Burkett to contact the Kerry campaign.


26 posted on 09/18/2004 11:17:55 PM PDT by spyone
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To: ambrose

Is this a shot across the bow? Are we going to get the list of democrats who had the memos before CBS?


27 posted on 09/18/2004 11:21:53 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: js1138

Wow, this is going to take down both Kerry and Rather in one fell swoop!


28 posted on 09/18/2004 11:27:02 PM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone

We can only hope. Or maybe we can keep the pressure on and make it happen. This is big league hardball---think of all those who've spent millions on Kerry---They will try to cover-up til the end


29 posted on 09/18/2004 11:52:12 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: spyone

Am I the only one who sees the parallel paths of conduct among Clinton, Kerry and Rather? Lie, stonewall, lie some more, divert attention, drop some bombs, lie again, stonewall more, dispose of reluctant teammates, lie and on and on. It got tight for Clinton, but he escaped defeat. Clinton is Kerry’s newest advisor and Rather’s idol. Both Rather and Kerry now have their underwear wrapped around their axles, so why not follow the lead of Clinton? Ah, but Clinton had the gift of felonious persuasion—Kerry and Rather do not. Ergo, Kerry and Rather fail, to the great applause of Hillary. It makes a wonderful opera!


30 posted on 09/18/2004 11:58:25 PM PDT by 2Fro (Everything in life is a racket unless proven otherwise or you're in on it.)
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To: Bertha Fanation

Will the RNC have the courage to expose KERRY and tell the public he was the one to unleash these documents full of lies? I doubt it!


31 posted on 09/19/2004 12:17:33 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: ambrose

bump for evidence of democrap snake dealing.


32 posted on 09/19/2004 2:09:02 AM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: ambrose; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
he talked with former Sen. Max Cleland, Georgia Democrat, about information that would counter criticism of Mr. Kerry's Vietnam War service.

Hummmmmmmmmmm Doesn't Cleland work for KERRY!?!?!?!!?

33 posted on 09/20/2004 7:26:58 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (WHO MADE THE CBS MEMOS?!?!?)
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To: OXENinFLA; Howlin

OFF TOPIC

Kerry is on FNC NOW giving a speech and taking slam shots on Bush & Cheney


34 posted on 09/20/2004 7:50:34 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: Mo1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1221257/posts



It's obviously a packed audience.


35 posted on 09/20/2004 7:52:07 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: js1138

As I recall they(the memos) also made a trip through the DNC who sent them on to cBS.


36 posted on 09/20/2004 7:52:26 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: ambrose

"Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade vehemently denied a connection. "

What the hell does Max Cleland have to say?!


Love it! Got sKerry campaign fingerprints all over it.


37 posted on 09/20/2004 7:54:58 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Travis McGee

If it looks to good to be true it probably ain't.
A sucker born every minute.


38 posted on 09/20/2004 7:55:15 AM PDT by snakeoil (A+Bert)
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To: patriciamary

At this point there is no need for the RNC to do anything but watch as the RATmedia disembowels itself. Criminal grand juries should be convened soon as well. This party is going full blast without the RNC.


39 posted on 09/20/2004 7:57:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: Mo1; Howlin
Kerry is on FNC NOW giving a speech and taking slam shots on Bush & Cheney

Let me guess IRAQ=VIETNAM

40 posted on 09/20/2004 7:57:46 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (WHO MADE THE CBS MEMOS?!?!?)
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To: wildcatf4f3
This is big league hardball---think of all those who've spent millions on Kerry

Yep.. it's big league hardball allright. Like in the old days when the strike zone was big and they could throw at you.

41 posted on 09/20/2004 8:03:08 AM PDT by kjam22 (What you win them by, is what you win them to)
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To: spyone

My current theory is this, from start to finish:

1. The documents were produced in 2003 to back up Michael Moore's movie.
2. Lots of people heard about them. They might have circulated among activists.
3. Max Cleland got copies. The rumor is that the Kerry camp was suspicious, but may have contacted CBS, assuming that CBS would authenticate them.
4. CBS got the green light from what has now become a circular authentication squad. Somehow everyone said the documents were OK, because everyone believed the content. Nevermind that Burkett was the sole source of both the documents and the content.
5. CBS plays one last card: they give copies to the White House, assuming that phoney docs would be greeted with instant outrage.
6. The White House says thank you for the heads up, closes the door, and everyone rolls on the floor laughing.
7. CBS marches into the valley of death.


42 posted on 09/20/2004 8:07:37 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: RabidBartender

And if ya don't know, he will surely tell you!


43 posted on 09/20/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is STILL in control, even if Bush loses in 2004!)
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To: Travis McGee

I gotta believe that as soon as Max got his hands . . . er . . . hand on the forgeries, he just couldn't wait to get them in the hands of someone willing to use them to smear the President. Old 'Hell on Wheels' certainly has sunk far.


44 posted on 09/20/2004 8:13:27 AM PDT by Petronski (Pajamarazzi power!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

The RNC, Karl Rove, et al., are very patient. I think they are just sitting back, enjoying the show and waiting for the right time to strike back (if they need to, that is). The sKerry campaign might just implode on its own without any help from the RNC.


45 posted on 09/20/2004 8:16:49 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Travis McGee

Who's the thumbs-up guy who looks just like a fat Lieutenant Dan?

MM


46 posted on 09/20/2004 8:22:03 AM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: Polyxene

That is correct. Once the grand juries, indictments and trials start this will be a LONG nightmare for the RATmedia.


47 posted on 09/20/2004 8:22:58 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: MississippiMan

That's Van Os, the Texas DNC and Burkett's mutual lawyer, who's running for Texas supreme court.


48 posted on 09/20/2004 9:48:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I disagree the media will never back down neither will Kerry and the DNC,unless the RNC steps up the truth will never totally come out!


49 posted on 09/20/2004 10:08:52 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: patriciamary

Obviously you are mistaken since there has already been two weeks of RATmedia coverage. This has been the ONLY story for most of that time which the cabel channels are talking about.

There are some things which the RATmedia must cover even if it does not want to such as 9/11 and this is another one of those things. If the RATmedia decides to drop it that will be just another knife in its heart and hasten its day of demise.

It MUST cover this that is what is so beautiful about it. No doubt it does not want to do this but it is no longer in charge of the agenda. ABC has already begun to destroy CBS's credibility even the NYT is talking about it. No doubt they are all hoping that RATher's resignation will put an end to it but that will only generate more questions.

A couple of comments every so often from the White House will keep it alive for weeks. I am hoping that the RATmedia does just as you speculate it will because that will mean the destruction of our nation's greatest enemy.


50 posted on 09/20/2004 12:54:02 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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