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A web of connections (Rather, CBS, Mapes, Cleland, Barnes, Burkett, Van Os, Kerry, McAuliffe)
Ratherbiased.com ^ | 9/18/04

Posted on 09/19/2004 11:57:03 AM PDT by Cableguy

[graphic similar to what NYT tried to do with Bush/Swift Boat connections]



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benbarnes; burkett; cbs; cleland; edwards; kerry; mapes; mcauliffe; planetofthemapes; rather; stainedbluememo; vanos; webofconnections
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1 posted on 09/19/2004 11:57:04 AM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

Hillary's half-vast, left-wing conspiracy


2 posted on 09/19/2004 11:58:38 AM PDT by SmithL (Vietnam-era Vet - Still fighting Hillary's half-vast left-wing conspiracy)
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To: Cableguy

Well done!


3 posted on 09/19/2004 11:58:41 AM PDT by Diago ( "To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer." Actual Dan Rather Quote)
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To: Cableguy

I thought about doing the same thing...needs pictures of faces to go with it - plenty of van os with dnc players out there.


4 posted on 09/19/2004 12:00:23 PM PDT by flashbunny (RINO's pleading for unity means they want to sabotage the republican party in peace.)
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To: Cableguy

Great Charts!

You may need a Cray computer to keep the names and positions of all who were involved.


5 posted on 09/19/2004 12:00:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: flashbunny; Cableguy
I thought about doing the same thing...needs pictures of faces to go with it - plenty of van os with dnc players out there.

If we can get to 52, maybe a Rathergate deck of cards is in order.

6 posted on 09/19/2004 12:03:08 PM PDT by Diago ( "To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer." Actual Dan Rather Quote)
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To: Cableguy
Great opportunity to keep Van Os off the TSC.
7 posted on 09/19/2004 12:04:50 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: SmithL

A family tree of left-wing crooks and thieves.


8 posted on 09/19/2004 12:05:24 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Cableguy
Great chart! I wonder if there is a line between Clelland/Kerry-Edwards, and 60 Minutes, or from Barnes to 60 Minutes.

USA Today is in there somewhere too, with a big question being where they obtained their copies of the Killian forgeries.

9 posted on 09/19/2004 12:07:05 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cableguy

Could also add that one of those dem committees held a meeting at the Kinkos where the forgeries were sent.


10 posted on 09/19/2004 12:07:30 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: Cableguy

Nice job!


11 posted on 09/19/2004 12:08:20 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Cableguy
Hey cool! I created that graphic-- see Polidock.com
12 posted on 09/19/2004 12:12:05 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Cableguy

I bet if we did some digging, we could connect Juanita Yvette Lozano (the mole who did time for supplying Gore's campaign aide with Dubya's debate video back in 2000) with Barnes, et al. She was a precinct chairwoman for the Travis County Democratic Party and formerly worked for both Richards and Rep. Glen Maxey, D-Austin. Her lawyer at the time of her indictment in 2001 was Chris Gunter.


14 posted on 09/19/2004 12:13:14 PM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Great Charts!

You may need a Cray computer to keep the names and positions of all who were involved.

I recall a programme just after they captured Saddam.

Seems they spent some time making all the connections between the tribes, business, marrage and other relationships.

Eventually came on the key person to rat out Saddam

Looks like a similar system for the dims.

Whack them with a RICO

15 posted on 09/19/2004 12:14:42 PM PDT by spokeshave (<img src="http://photopile.com/photos/dead/auctions/146584.jpg">)
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To: hobson

Kudos! You should post more often, and post your stuff, and link it to your website.


16 posted on 09/19/2004 12:16:35 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

I posted it last night in a thread but didn't start a thread. It was very late.


17 posted on 09/19/2004 12:19:56 PM PDT by hobson
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To: hobson

Your graphic is so good that it deserves its own post. Everyone should know about it. Hopefully, someone will take yours and print it in a newspaper. You know what, I will send it to all the bloggers in my email contact list.


18 posted on 09/19/2004 12:23:21 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

Ping.........


19 posted on 09/19/2004 12:24:59 PM PDT by OXENinFLA (Sec. 3, Amendment 14..........)
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To: Cableguy

bump for needed info


20 posted on 09/19/2004 12:25:13 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: spokeshave

You and I apparently have the same feelings about this as we learn more about it.

The involvement in these lies and forgeries goes back 5 years. Hopefully we will get to see all of the rats involved.

Apparently, the big vile mouthed Susan Ostrich and a few other vile rats on tv have suddenly mellowed their attacks on GW in their most recent scurrying around on tv.

The full disclosure on this could probably inflict serious damage on a lot ABCNNBC BS RATS and the print media rats with high profiles.


21 posted on 09/19/2004 12:26:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

bttt


22 posted on 09/19/2004 12:27:00 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: OXENinFLA

Say good nite Dan.


23 posted on 09/19/2004 12:28:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Cboldt
I wonder if there is a line between Clelland/Kerry-Edwards, and 60 Minutes, or from Barnes to 60 Minutes.

There should be a line from Burkett to Clelland to Kerry campaign.

There clearly should be a line from Kerry campaign to Ben Barnes(vice chairman Texas Kerry campaign) to 60 minutes (interviewed Barnes on show -- (Rather and Barnes have known each other for years).

Also, Van Os was law partner with former democrat Ann Governor Richards' husband and many there are clear connection with Van Os and Barnes.
24 posted on 09/19/2004 12:35:26 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: OXENinFLA

We are in the process of updating this graphic and I need some help. I need to know where to find the fax date/time stamp. I have seen it mentioned but I cannot find the source.


25 posted on 09/19/2004 12:35:42 PM PDT by hobson
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To: OXENinFLA; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; Luis Gonzalez; ...



Proud to be part of the Vast Right Wing Blogosphere  

26 posted on 09/19/2004 12:35:45 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Jackson Brown

Fantastic! Everyone post your suggestions and we will include in update graphic. Please provide your source.


27 posted on 09/19/2004 12:38:25 PM PDT by hobson
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To: hobson

PS You should put your name and website on the graphic, so everyone knows where they got it from. I referenced your website on the email, so you should update your picture on the website.


28 posted on 09/19/2004 12:42:21 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: hobson

PPS You should look at that NYT graphic, so it is more similar to that. Also, don't make it too complicated. Simpler the better.


29 posted on 09/19/2004 12:46:55 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

There's another web of connections - the one that debunked the memos and very quickly tracked the threads of conspiracy between CBS, the DNC, the Kerry Campaign, and all of the other rats.


30 posted on 09/19/2004 12:47:14 PM PDT by Rocky (Heinz Kerry: 57 positions on any issue)
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To: Socratic

"held a meeting at the Kinkos"

WHAT .. where did you get that information ..??


31 posted on 09/19/2004 1:18:54 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Cableguy

bump


32 posted on 09/19/2004 1:21:43 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mass55th

Oh wow! I had forgotten about her and the fact she was in Texas.


33 posted on 09/19/2004 1:23:32 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Cableguy

needs extension to the DNC's "Fortunate Son" campaign that got rolling this past week.

IIRC, somebody on talk radio mentioned that The Boston Globe talked about
this campaign just about the time "Memogate" got rolling.

The timing is too perfect for mere coincidence.


34 posted on 09/19/2004 1:23:42 PM PDT by VOA
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35 posted on 09/19/2004 1:24:48 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: Cableguy
Look at this one: From MSM:
36 posted on 09/19/2004 1:25:59 PM PDT by crushelits
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It's interesting to speculate on how news giant CBS may have been sold this bill of goods. Certainly many Democrats inside and outside of CBS were inclined believe the story was true a priori to any documents. Mapes probably knew Burkett and probably had spoken with him on several occasions. But one wonders what trail of factual evidence eventually compelled CBS to run with these bogus memos.

CBS would have wanted more than one source, so fooling CBS may have involved a coordinated action on the part of several individuals. For example, someone like Burkett could have reported to Mapes that Killian complained about pressure to help Bush, or that Bush had disobeyed an order to undergo a medical exam. A second collaborator might have sent the forged memos.

Or maybe Burkett faxed the memos while Burkett's information was simultaneously being spoon-fed to CBS through Democratic back channels. CBS, wishing to believe this negative story about Bush, might have treated the collaborating sources as corroborative. Then CBS on their own initiative might have assembled the other weak collaborating evidence such as the opinions of handwriting experts etc., (which weak corroborative evidence has subsequently collapsed).

There is supposedly a Yahoo board posting by Burkett claiming he gave some information to Cleland by telephone. Cleland according to Burkett was someone overtly wishing to be very aggressive in campaigning against Bush. Suppose Max Cleland went on to pass Burkett's unsubstantiated accusations on to others and the information worked its way back to Mapes through the Democrat grapevine.

On a more constructive note, IMHO the major news organizations would be doing us all a great service if they established improved internal review procedures for the information they report. Even though strategically this story probably plays for Bush in the near term, in the long run this sort of diversion from the political process really doesn't help anyone.

37 posted on 09/19/2004 1:26:39 PM PDT by dano1
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To: Grampa Dave

You're right .. I noticed on the Sat morning finance shows that she replaced Bob Beckel and she was very subdued compared to her current in your face approach. It also made me suspicious of what she knew about this "memo" thing.


38 posted on 09/19/2004 1:27:19 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Cableguy

GREAT JOB.


39 posted on 09/19/2004 1:31:01 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: Cableguy

BTTT


40 posted on 09/19/2004 1:32:50 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cableguy

Sumner Redstone, Chairman of Viacom needs to be added to the chart:

REDSTONE, SUMMER M
DEDHAM,MA 02026
VIACOM INC/CHAIR MAN OF THE BOARD
5/3/2004
$1,000
Kerry, John

REDSTONE, SUMNER
DEDHAM,MA 02026
2/3/2004
$1,000
Kerry, John

REDSTONE, SUMNER
NEW YORK,NY 10036
VIACOM INC
9/26/2003
$1,000
Daschle, Tom

REDSTONE, SUMNER
NEWTON,MA 02459
VIACOM
5/13/2004
$1,000
Kennedy, Edward M

REDSTONE, SUMNER M
DEDHAM,MA 02027
NATIONAL AMUSEMENTS INC. & VAAEM I/
12/5/2003
$1,000
Kerry, John

REDSTONE, SUMNER M
NEW YORK,NY 10036
VIACOM
3/28/2003
$1,000
Leahy, Patrick

REDSTONE, SUMNER M
NEW YORK,NY 10036
VIACOM
3/28/2003
$1,000
Leahy, Patrick


41 posted on 09/19/2004 1:34:17 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Cableguy

What a tangled web we weave...SUPER JOB!


42 posted on 09/19/2004 1:34:45 PM PDT by skeet shooter (Don't flinch)
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To: Rocky

This is a great point .. because I think it should be noted that NOT ONE DEMOCRAT was involved in OUTING THIS INFORMATION that the documents were forgeries; even though I'm confident there were several who also suspected the docs were forgeries.

The MSM seems to keep implying that only repubs are exposing this so it must be a repub conspiracy, and high level repubs to boot.


43 posted on 09/19/2004 1:43:07 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: dano1

IIRC some source inside CBS said Mapes had been working on the story for 4-5 years, and they had people all over TX asking questions about Bush. Then, "like magic, this packet of documents showed up which answered all the questions".

If people don't see a fraud in that .. they are totally blind and have rocks for brains.


44 posted on 09/19/2004 2:00:15 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: CyberAnt

Check this link and notice the box on the right side, where their January meeting will be held. This isn't conclusive because it seems they hold their meetings at other spots (maybe depending on availablity) but it is just one more piece. If you do a search under "Title" and use "Kinkos" as the key word, check out the discussion with about 600 responses on it. That was an exciting thread.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:SOHH4l_h-uYJ:www.1tex.net/demo/bcdw.htm++taylor+county+texas+democratic+women+President+-+Pat+Wallace&hl=en


45 posted on 09/19/2004 2:08:46 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: CyberAnt

The October Surprise turn around on CBS in September probably has most of the elite libs in the MSM and Komrade Kerry's Kerrorist Kamp a state of mental trauma.

They have to be dreading the next shoe/disclosure to fall on their house of cards.


46 posted on 09/19/2004 2:20:23 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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47 posted on 09/19/2004 4:15:18 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 09/19/2004 7:37:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: nuconvert

#26


49 posted on 09/19/2004 10:30:34 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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50 posted on 09/19/2004 10:33:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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