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CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
New York Times ^ | 9/20/04 | Jim Rutenberg

Posted on 09/19/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker

After days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

Those officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins, and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

But these people cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials were meeting last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it has collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision.

People at the network said it was now possible that officials would open a formal internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report, which officials now say they are beginning to believe was too flawed to have gone on the air.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed came from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they were misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos came from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night whether Mr. Burkett told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents had said they were obtained anonymously and through the mail.

During an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said that the producer had been in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had only vouched for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures were cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network went wrong, officials at CBS News were turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents that had been presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said that they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; blatheringidiots; cbs; cbsnews; danblather; dopes; duped; forgery; killian; mapes; mapesthemope; marymapes; memogate; memos; msmapes; napalminthemorning; pajamahadeen; pajamaratti; rather; rathergate; schadenfreude; seebs; seebsnews
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1 posted on 09/19/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Gee Im so glad they are being careful so they dont get the story wrong


I am not a GOP Lawyer


2 posted on 09/19/2004 9:42:04 PM PDT by woofie (This document was generated in 2004 by a computer)
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To: LibWhacker
Their defense is stupidity?
3 posted on 09/19/2004 9:42:16 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: LibWhacker

Here we go folks....we knew this was gonna happen!


4 posted on 09/19/2004 9:43:21 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: LibWhacker

"Those officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins, and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from."

Maybe they should start by asking Danny Boy.


5 posted on 09/19/2004 9:43:31 PM PDT by Screaming Eagle Red Leg
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To: LibWhacker
There's a word for people like those at CBS: "Twits"
6 posted on 09/19/2004 9:43:51 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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CBS was misled, or Rather chose to use material he knew to be fradulent in order to damage the President? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....


7 posted on 09/19/2004 9:44:00 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: LibWhacker
Those officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins, and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

First, what cowards, and second, it sure took that clown outfit CBS long enough to figure out what the rest of the world knew a week ago.

8 posted on 09/19/2004 9:44:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: woofie

Who gives a rats ass what CBS news thinks about anything, anymore.
They will never regain credibility, if they ever had it.


9 posted on 09/19/2004 9:44:45 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: LibWhacker

This is going to be big, big, big- much bigger than Jayson Blair. Dan Rather didn't "burn down his master's house," he brought it down w/ a nuclear bomb. So long, CBS news.


10 posted on 09/19/2004 9:45:10 PM PDT by scottybk
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To: LibWhacker

Here is some free advice for Mapes and Rather -- you might want to think about hiring a good lawyer.


11 posted on 09/19/2004 9:45:24 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: LibWhacker
"But these people cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement."

Don't listen to 'em captain Dan. That great white whale is right there in front of you. Throw the harpoon now captain Dan, throw it!

Tune next week kiddies for stirring stories of Dan Quixote!

12 posted on 09/19/2004 9:45:57 PM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: LibWhacker
... but the story is correct. We know, because Buckhead is a GOP lawyer. We only used the documents to dramatize the point.
13 posted on 09/19/2004 9:46:00 PM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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To: LibWhacker
I thought that "60 Minutes" had incredible, amazing, bulletproof fact checking resources far beyond the understanding of mere mortals. How can this be?
14 posted on 09/19/2004 9:46:05 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: oolatec
WUO WAS THE SOURCE?????????
15 posted on 09/19/2004 9:46:08 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: LibWhacker
Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

You moron. You flaming idiot. This is like being confident that you have an absolutely, utterly, completely accurate map of Chicago - except the problem is that you're in Miami. Who gives a rip about their chain of custody? THE DOCUMENTS ARE FAKE.

CBS would do well to remember the #1 lesson of Watergate - the coverup is ALWAYS worse than the crime. Always. Every single time.

Fess up, throw yourselves on the mercy of the American people, and hope for the best.

16 posted on 09/19/2004 9:46:28 PM PDT by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: LibWhacker

Ever since the ratings information was published, this was the invevitable result. When CBS news lost to all its regular competition AND to re-runs of the Simpsons, etc., Rather was toast. For Rather it was all about power and ideology; for the bosses, it is a tad about honest journalism but mostly and primarily about money. No ratings, no revenues; no revenues, good-bye Dan.


17 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:06 PM PDT by MarkT
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To: potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo; Smartass

PING


18 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:11 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: oolatec

As I said in another thread, I originally bought the line that Rather was duped and did not use forged docs intentionally. Now, with the mountain of evidence we have seen in the last 10 days, much of it brought to Rather's and CBS's attention PRIOR to their airing the docs, leads me to believe that Rather knew the docs were forged and yet still used them. If Rather had this quantity and quality of evidence against Bush, he conclude the worst. In fact, he did!


19 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:19 PM PDT by Screaming Eagle Red Leg
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To: LibWhacker
They used documents their own experts said were forgeries to influence a Presidential election but they were "MISLED"? I got your "MISLED" right here SeeBS!
20 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:21 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: All

"He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report."

That's just a flat-out lie. General Staudt totally contradicted the story. Every aspect of it. That's a direct witness, when all CBS pointed to was a secretary who referenced hearsay.


21 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:40 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Savage Beast
Their defense is stupidity?

Apparently so.

It could be true that they are stupid, but it's difficult to get the truth out of see BS.

22 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: LibWhacker

I believe that Rather will be okay for the short term.

Mapes, on the other hand, is about to get what she has comming.

I *hope* this is true and we can get back to cleaning Kerry's clock on the issues. That said, however, I believe that the Kerry campaign MUST take responsibility for this (that and the collusive media).


23 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:53 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: LibWhacker

HOW ABOUT AN APOLOGY TO PRESIDENT BUSH??????


24 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:55 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: LibWhacker

'Misled' might have passed the test for the folks still giving you guys the benefit of the doubt a week ago.

After insisting for a week that they are true despite every expert including your own coming out against, dragging an old Lady on air, and challenging Bush AGAIN to respond to the forgeries, well, the ship has sailed on 'misled'.

We are not talking collusion to pass a fraud off on the American people against a sitting President.



25 posted on 09/19/2004 9:47:58 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: LibWhacker
White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents that had been presented by a credible news organization.

The Bush White House responses to Rathergate have been priceless!

26 posted on 09/19/2004 9:48:24 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: LibWhacker
Officials were meeting last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it has collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision.

Wouldn't we all have loved to have been a fly on the wall in THAT room?

"Just WHAT were you thinking, Dan?"

27 posted on 09/19/2004 9:48:36 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: LibWhacker
Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.

Does this reporter have any idea how ridiculous this sounds?

28 posted on 09/19/2004 9:48:44 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: LibWhacker

When will Dan Rather apologize to GWB?

[crickets]


29 posted on 09/19/2004 9:48:44 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: woofie
Gee Im so glad they are being careful so they dont get the story wrong

The irony is enough to take your breath away! :-)

30 posted on 09/19/2004 9:48:49 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: LibWhacker; PhilDragoo; neverdem; Grampa Dave
He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Sounds like they're getting ready to throw Rather off the train.

31 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: vbmoneyspender

We know one...


32 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:06 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: LibWhacker
it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

What a crock! This Clinton-speak, Alice Through the Looking Glass, bizarro statement is too much.

33 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:12 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (POP - Political Operative in Pajamas)
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To: LibWhacker
CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

Gee, who should I believe?
34 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:24 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: MistyCA; WestTexasWend
Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected what Mr. Rather, Michael Moore and others think Mr. Killian's feelings should have been, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.
35 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:28 PM PDT by DrDavid (I'd Rather Not)
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To: Tragically Single
"We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents."

This is almost heart stopping funny. Kinko's is the choice of secure custody for people with secrets to keep. Oh man, what twits.

36 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:34 PM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Lancey Howard

You can bet the farm that the CBS "investigation" won't go anywhere near the DNC or the Kerry campaign.


37 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:42 PM PDT by AF68
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To: LibWhacker

"and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from."


An extensive news investigation. Riiiight, just like the one Dan Rather did?


38 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:51 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: mikegi
When will Dan Rather apologize to GWB?

When will he apologize to Blockhead?

39 posted on 09/19/2004 9:49:54 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: LibWhacker

I am afraid this entire thing was a ploy to change the subject from the Swift Boat Vets to get the heat off Kerry. It took that story off the front burner.


40 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:09 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: LibWhacker

> ... CBS News would most likely make an announcement
> as early as today that it had been deceived about
> the documents' origins, ...

BS - they didn't want to know.

> ... CBS News could still pull back from an announcement.

They haven't settled on a suicide journalist to take the
fall for Grima Rathertongue.

> "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're
> confident in how we secured the documents.''

And we'll fight to the death to avoiding bringing the
Kerry campaign and the DNC into this.

> Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend ...

And decided he didn't play convincingly on TV, it seems.

> ... officials at CBS News were turning their attention to Ms. Mapes ...

A scapegoat will be named soon.

> ... the White House did not dispute the veracity of
> the documents when it was presented them on the
> morning of the report. That reaction, he said,
> was "the icing on the cake'' ...

"Unimpeachable" is the word.

> "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''

The same place it's been for the last 40 years.
"The Wall Within", anyone?


41 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:17 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: LibWhacker
Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.

Unfortunately for Dan, we have already passed this portion of the story and are on to how Kinkos, Cleland and Burkett connect with the DNC and the Kerry campaign. But hey, we'll be glad to have you "break that news" in a few weeks, Dan. ROTFLOL

42 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:30 PM PDT by Libertina (Thank God we have President Bush in the White House.)
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To: Soul Seeker

not=now

Let me add, I hope you people at CBS have told rather of your intentions. The Cap'n still seems intent to salvage those duds you paraded on national TV.


43 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:38 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: LibWhacker
Two men bent on find the REAL killer/forger.


44 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:43 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-1986)
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To: LibWhacker
*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*


45 posted on 09/19/2004 9:50:54 PM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: LibWhacker

I've just commented on a couple of other threads about how Rather should distance himself from the story, and now here's this.

They can proclaim to be investigating internally until the cows come home, but it'll change nothing. Not only should Rather have stayed away from Texas, but he also was able to reveal himself by his dissing of Fox News to a reporter on camera.

The Tiffany Network is tarnished beyond repair.


46 posted on 09/19/2004 9:51:08 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.)
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To: Soul Seeker
'Misled' might have passed the test for the folks still giving you guys the benefit of the doubt a week ago.

Rather is not merely stupid. He is resolutely and courageously stupid.

47 posted on 09/19/2004 9:51:13 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: gilliam
When will he apologize to Blockhead?

LOL! You mean Buckhead?

48 posted on 09/19/2004 9:51:31 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: LibWhacker

The only way CBS News sees to get its credibility back is to toss Burkett overboard. They are in the process of doing that. If Burkett has to face felony charges, I wonder if he'll go down quietly or start singing about his DNC/Kerry contacts?

Sounds like CBS News execs aren't too happy with the Burkett interview Rather just taped. If Burkett comes across as a wacko, people will wonder how CBS News was dumb enough to fall for his story. FReepers know why. Rather wanted his last hurrah and was prepared to try to bring down a sitting President in time of war as part of DNC's 'Operation Fortunate Son'.


49 posted on 09/19/2004 9:51:43 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: LibWhacker

"Officials were meeting last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it has collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision. "

According to this sentence, Dan Rather is an "it".


50 posted on 09/19/2004 9:52:09 PM PDT by Cosmo (Dan Rather is F@$#$ed : F@#$@ed like a horned toad under a moonlit Texas sky.)
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