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CBS: Bush Memo Story A 'Mistake'
CBS ^ | 9/20/04 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/20/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

CBS/AP) CBS News said Monday it cannot prove the authenticity of documents used in a 60 Minutes story about President Bush's National Guard service and that airing the story was a "mistake" that CBS regretted.

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, the reporter of the original story, apologized.

CBS News claimed a source had misled the network on the documents' origins. The network pledged "an independent review of the process by which the report was prepared and broadcast to help determine what actions need to be taken."

In a statement, CBS said former Texas Guard official Bill Burkett "has acknowledged that he provided the now-disputed documents" and "admits that he deliberately misled the CBS News producer working on the report, giving her a false account of the documents' origins to protect a promise of confidentiality to the actual source."

The network did not say the memoranda — purportedly written by one of Mr. Bush's National Guard commanders — were forgeries. But the network did say it could not authenticate the documents and that it should not have reported them.

"Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report," said the statement by CBS News President Andrew Heyward. "We should not have used them. That was a mistake, which we deeply regret.

"Nothing is more important to us than our credibility and keeping faith with the millions of people who count on us for fair, accurate, reliable, and independent reporting," Heyward continued. "We will continue to work tirelessly to be worthy of that trust."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said President Bush had seen the CBS statement. "We appreciate that they (CBS) deeply regrets ... but there are serious questions still to be answered,'' McClellan told CBS News' Jeff Goldblum.

Additional reporting on the documents will air on Monday's CBS Evening News, including the interview of Burkett by Rather. CBS News pledged "an independent review of the process by which the report was prepared and broadcast to help determine what actions need to be taken."

In a separate statement, Rather said that "after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically.

"I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers," he said.

"We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather added.

The authenticity of the documents — four memoranda attributed to Guard commander Lt. Col. Jerry Killian — has been under fire since they were described in the Sept. 8 broadcast of 60 Minutes.

CBS had not previously revealed who provided the documents or how they were obtained.

Burkett has previously alleged that in 1997 he witnessed allies of then-Gov. Bush discussing the destruction of Guard files that might embarrass Mr. Bush, who was considering a run for the presidency. Bush aides have denied the charge.

In the statement, CBS said: "Burkett originally said he obtained the documents from another former Guardsman. Now he says he got them from a different source whose connection to the documents and identity CBS News has been unable to verify to this point."

Questions about the president's National Guard service have lingered for years. Some critics question how Mr. Bush got into the Guard when there were waiting lists of young men hoping to join it to escape the draft and possible service in Vietnam.

In the Sept. 8 60 Minutes report, former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes — a Democrat — claimed that, at the behest of a friend of the Bush family, he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Guard.

Other questions concern why Mr. Bush missed a physical in 1972, and why there are scant records of any service by Mr. Bush during the latter part of 1972, a period during which he transferred to an Alabama guard unit so he could work on a campaign there.

The CBS documents suggested that Mr. Bush had disobeyed a direct order to attend the physical, and that there were other lapses in his performance. One memo also indicated that powerful allies of the Bush family were pressuring the guard to "sugar coat" any investigation of Lt. Bush's service.

Skeptics immediately seized on the typing in the memos, which included a superscripted "th" not found on all 1970s-era typewriters. As the controversy raged, CBS broadcast interviews with experts who said that some typewriters from that period could have produced the markings in question.

Other critics saw factual errors in the documents, stylistic differences with other writing by Killian and incorrect military lingo.

Some relatives of Col. Killian disputed that the memos were real. His former secretary said the sentiments regarding Mr. Bush's failures as an officer were genuine, but the documents were not.

Some document experts whom CBS consulted for the story told newspapers they had raised doubts before the broadcast and were ignored. CBS disputed their accounts, pointing to the main document expert the network consulted, Marcel Matley.

Matley insisted he had vouched for the authenticity of the signatures on the memos, but had not determined whether the documents themselves were genuine.

Last week, CBS News stood by its reporting while vowing to continue working the story. The network acknowledged there were questions about the documents and pledged to try to answer them.

Mr. Bush maintains that he did not get special treatment in getting into the Guard, and that he fulfilled all duties. He was honorably discharged.

On Saturday, a White House official said Mr. Bush has reviewed the disputed documents that purport to show he refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972, and did not recall having seen them previously.

In his first public comment on the documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered."

The Bush campaign has alleged that their Democratic rivals were somehow involved in the story. John Kerry's campaign denies it. In an email revealed last week, Burkett said he had contacted the Kerry campaign but received no response.

Meanwhile, a federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by next week any unreleased files about Mr. Bush's Vietnam-era Air National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Associated Press.

The White House and Defense Department have on several occasions claimed that they had released all the documents only to make additional records available later on.

©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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1 posted on 09/20/2004 3:42:41 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Who did Burkett get the documents from??? Gee Dan, now there's a story for ya.


2 posted on 09/20/2004 3:43:49 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; writer33; GreyFriar; americanmother; The Mayor; ...

I shed a tear, NOT!! Pointing fingers at each, just what I expected .. now where we do go .. Dan is over -- stick it with a fork ...serve to the viewers


3 posted on 09/20/2004 3:44:08 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick
BREAKING: As I was walking into a Kinko yesterday - Dan Rather was just leaving. This note fell out of his pocket.

Last week, after we got caught lying amid increasing questions about the fake authenticity of documents used to fabricate in support of a 60 MINUTES WEDNESDAY story about President Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard, CBS News vowed to find someone to blame for re-examine the documents in question—and their source—vigorously. And we promised that we would let the American public know what this examination turned up, whatever the outcome if we can't lie our way out of this .

Now, after extensive attempts to cover this up by acting like we're doing additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence anyone is going to believe these fakes in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically. I find we have got caught been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers from the DNC. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where—if I knew then what I know now—I would not have I would have come up with better fakes. gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly will use professional forgers next time would not have used the documents in question.

But we did use the documents. We made a got caught mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of lying trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of presenting clever lies investigative reporting without fear being exposed by the liberal media. or favoritism.

Please know that nothing is more important to us than DNC's people's trust in our ability to fool the masses. and our commitment to trick the public. report fairly and truthfully.

Note: act like a victim!

4 posted on 09/20/2004 3:44:16 PM PDT by ibme
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To: Endeavor

Yep, that would be the whole point, in a bunch of nothing he said nothing .. so I am no more informed than I was 5 minutes ago.


5 posted on 09/20/2004 3:44:52 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Lesson No. 1 in Dan Rather School Of Fraudulent Journalism




6 posted on 09/20/2004 3:45:14 PM PDT by sinclair (If you don't stop and think, then it doesn't matter whether you are a genius or a moron.)
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Here is the statememt ....:

Bill Burkett, in a weekend interview with CBS News Anchor and Correspondent Dan Rather, has acknowledged that he provided the now-disputed documents used in the Sept. 8 "60 Minutes Wednesday" report on President Bush’s service in the Texas Air National Guard.

Burkett, a retired National Guard lieutenant colonel, also admits that he deliberately misled the CBS News producer working on the report, giving her a false account of the documents’ origins to protect a promise of confidentiality to the actual source.

Burkett originally said he obtained the documents from another former Guardsman. Now he says he got them from a different source whose connection to the documents and identity CBS News has been unable to verify to this point. Burkett’s interview will be featured in a full report on tonight’s CBS Evening News with Dan Rather (6:30-7:00 p.m., ET/PT).

In light of this and other developments reported by CBS News and other news organizations, CBS News President Andrew Heyward issued the following statement:

“'60 Minutes Wednesday' had full confidence in the original report or it would not have aired. However, in the wake of serious and disturbing questions that came up after the broadcast, CBS News has done extensive additional reporting in an effort to confirm the documents’ authenticity.

That included an interview featured on last week’s edition of "60 Minutes Wednesday" with Marian Carr Knox, secretary to the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the officer named as the author of the documents; the interview with Bill Burkett to be seen tonight; and a further review of the forensic evidence on both sides of the debate.

Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report. We should not have used them. That was a mistake, which we deeply regret. Nothing is more important to us than our credibility and keeping faith with the millions of people who count on us for fair, accurate, reliable, and independent reporting. We will continue to work tirelessly to be worthy of that trust.”

CBS News and CBS management are commissioning an independent review of the process by which the report was prepared and broadcast to help determine what actions need to be taken. The names of the people conducting the review will be announced shortly, and their findings will be made public.



©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.


7 posted on 09/20/2004 3:45:42 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick

They both sat there and LIED through their TEETH tonight. Still NO apology to President Bush for besmirching his character.


8 posted on 09/20/2004 3:46:23 PM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Former Military Chick
The network did not say the memoranda — purportedly written by one of Mr. Bush's National Guard commanders — were forgeries.

There's got to be some reason that CBS won't admit these are forgeries. I suspect some dark or sinister motives.

9 posted on 09/20/2004 3:46:33 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Former Military Chick
It's pretty obvious that SeeBS is doing a legal tap dance here to keep from
admitting that the memos are forgeries, so they don't have to out the source.
They aren't going to get away with it................are they?
10 posted on 09/20/2004 3:47:02 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: All

Oh, BTW, when he was being "ambused by a FOX reporter he was in TX, ummm interviewing Burkett, which means if we go to the time line ...


11 posted on 09/20/2004 3:47:19 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Near total, complete vindication for what FReepers have been saying all along. Kudos to all those on this fine forum who first called CBS and Mr. Blather on this!


12 posted on 09/20/2004 3:47:57 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: 68skylark

While there still are many unanswered questions...I appreciate Dan saying he was sorry on national tv. That is exactly what Hannity asked him to say...


13 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:11 PM PDT by lostcreekdad
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To: Former Military Chick
After a lull of a few days, the DUmmies are back again commenting on Memogate. For your enjoyment, here is another installment of the DUmmie FUnnies in all their HILARIOUS paranoia. My own comments are in the [brackets].

the issue is not CBS. It was who was responsible for trying to screw up this election with nationally broadcast fraudulent documents that ultimately --- undercut --- legitimate arguments against *'s war record. Think who really benefits from this farce. It must have been planned to break open just like it did.

[Ah yes! Poor little Dan Rather became entangled in a devious KARL ROVE plot.]

The truth remains that FratBoy was AWOL at the very least, and most probably a deserter, during a period of time when Americans were still dying in Vietnam. That is IRREFUTABLE. Period.

[YUP! It's IRREFUTABLE and I bet you have the forged documents to prove it.]

As I said in the other thread... It is going to come out that Max Clelan gave the docs to CBS...What are we going to say then?

[Need you ask? Just say what you have been saying....KARL ROVE forged those docs as part of a devious ROVIAN plot to discredit Kerry.]

Max Cleland is the triple amputee former Senator from Georgia who is working for the DNC now. It is being reported that Bill Burkett told a group of Texas Democrats in a mailing list that he had given Max documents to counter-attack the Swift Liars. It is implied that he is the "unimpeachable" source from CBS. CBS then simply got the documents from Burkett for sure, but it was Cleland who gave it credibility for CBS to run with it...so the story goes

[I detect a hint of rationality from this DUmmie. For that he MUST be banned from the DUmmie board!]

CBS has been working on this story for five years... ...are you trying to tell me or anyone else that CBS didn't already have these documents and more "unimpeachable sources" than just Max Cleland? Give me a break. I seem to also recall that Rather stated that the CBS lawyers were all over the documentation before they would allow it to go on the air.

[And yet that whole effort was destroyed in just a few minutes by a few pajama clad bloggers.]

No...I'm just wondering what the response will be if Cleland is at least one "unimpeachable source." It seems like this could be devastating if it starts getting coverage...or worse if it is provable.

[Hee! Hee!]

Rather screwed the pooch on this one. And he hurt Kerry. This took up WAY too much time and drowned out way too much of Kerry's message. The sooner Rather admits he was conned, the sooner we can get back to Kerry getting his message (jobs, health care, end of the war) out there.

[And the pooch Dan Rather screwed was a French Poodle.]

Your man Rather is an idiot who got duped. I hope CBS fires his sorry ass. Thanks to his incomptence, it will now look to some that the media can't be trusted to report anything negative about Bush; that if they do say something negative, it's because they have a vendetta. If this was a Rove trap, that moron Rather walked RIGHT into it. He totally ruined CBS' credibility in reporting on Bush's (non)service record.

[So somehow it is Karl Rove's fault that Rather is a biased jerk?]

Excuse me, but CBS backed Rather's report and employed four.... ...different lawyers to ensure that the facts checked out. They're not going to fire Rather because Rather will break their balls in court. You can bet your bottom dollar that Rather understands the phrase "CYA documentation"...and you can also bet that Rather knows where a lot of bodies are buried.

[The just don't come any better in the art of blackmail than Dan Rather.]

The massive stupidity of CBS. And Repugs are already floating around that the DNC had a hand in this, if so.......I'm almost afraid to imagine.

[Close your eyes and IMAGINE you are in a faraway place.]

This will help Kerry in a big way, I think. A real issue here is censorship and intimidation of American media. THAT is extremely important. This thing has not finished playing out yet.

[Correct. It hasn't played out yet. And dream on about it helping Kerry my naive little DUmmie.]

EVERYTHING going on, except this one issue, makes Frat Boy look bad. But NOOOO, CBS had to drag this out, and focus on the ONE thing that makes Bush look better?!?!?! You know all the Repugs were all, "Whew, close one, Thank God It's Fraudulent!" I wouldn't be surprised if TGIF was now a WH mantra. This is going to be an even steeper uphill battle now. And it's all thanks to CBS and those of you who encouraged CBS to "stand their ground." I hope it was worth it, I hope the feeding frenzy over the TANG documents was worth possibly costing us the election.

[Poor little frustrated DUmmie. Better take your Meds little frustrated DUmmie. Control your anger little frustrated DUmmie. But don't stop doing your Little Frustrated DUmmie act. It's funnier than a puppet show!]

Burkett is trying to pass blame and apparently is a coward for not owning up to his actions.

[SNIFF! And to think that just a week ago Burkett was a hero to all you DUmmies. Oh how the (not so) might have fallen!]

Thanks a lot, Burkett you f*cking idiot..... I imagine Rove is sending him a "Thank you" card as we speak.

["Dear Bill Burkett---Thank you for falling prey to my intricate ROVIAN plot and sucking in CBS News, Dan Rather, and almost all DUmmies. Your stupidity has been enormously helpful and will ensure the defeat of John Kerry. As an expression of our gratitude permit me to send you an invitation to President Bush's Inaugural Ball this January. Sincerely yours---Karl (Rovian Plotter) Rove."]

Damn CBS! How could they cave in like that? They should have stayed strong! I feel betrayed!

[Now we know why you are called DUmmies.]

14 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:14 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (What's the Forgery, Dan!!!???)
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To: Former Military Chick
The names of the people conducting the review will be announced shortly, and their findings will be made public.

Michael Moore and who else?

15 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:24 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Endeavor
10-1 Burkett made them up himself, and his alleged true "source" does not exist. Or maybe its just some transparant semantics. I mean, theoretically, you could parse his statement so that the "actual source" he was protecting was himself.

The worst thing about this statement is that while they talk about alleged confirmation of the "substance" of the memos by Knox and Barnes, they don't bother to mention the substantive denials by Staudt and by Killian's own family. Still trying to present one-sided evidence....

16 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:44 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Endeavor

Dan Rather makes another blunder. In tonight's broadcast he described Burkett as a former member of the Texas AIR National Guard. In fact, Burkett was in the Texas ARMY National Guard. Was Dan trying to obscure the fact the Burkett could have no personal knowledge of President Bush's service or was it just another example of Dan's sloppy journalism? I've reported, you decide.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:44 PM PDT by Virginia Gentleman
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To: GailA

They sure did, even reading the statement without inflection offers no hidden insight .. it was a *feel sorry for me* and not a hint of what this caused a sitting President that is just WRONG!


18 posted on 09/20/2004 3:48:52 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick

The fallguy has been found.

The coverup is almost complete.

Who in the media will pursue the list of 20 questions to CBS posted on ratherbiased.com?


19 posted on 09/20/2004 3:49:14 PM PDT by The Real Eddie01 (John Kerry is Flakier than a Crisco Pie)
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To: Former Military Chick

Dan's seems to throw the allegations out yet once again, only this time with the disclaimer to only disregard the documents, not the accusations!


20 posted on 09/20/2004 3:49:25 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Former Military Chick
In an email revealed last week, Burkett said he had contacted the Kerry campaign but received no response.

(C)BS spins for Kerry again. Burkett didn't initially get a response, but after plowing through the "flunkies", he finally got in touch with Max Cleland.

It's obvious the Kerry campaign knew about this. Even to the point of generating its "Fortunate Son" message around it.

What did Kerry know? And when did he know it?

21 posted on 09/20/2004 3:49:41 PM PDT by narby (Kerry - The great whiner)
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To: Former Military Chick
The CBS documents suggested that Mr. Bush had disobeyed a direct order to attend the physical, and that there were other lapses in his performance. One memo also indicated that powerful allies of the Bush family were pressuring the guard to "sugar coat" any investigation of Lt. Bush's service.

Even though the admit the documents are wrong, they're still repeating the allegations from the memos!

I gotta give credit to these people -- they never give up!

22 posted on 09/20/2004 3:49:48 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Former Military Chick

Threat of Boycott to CBS' advertisers is working.
Dan says he's sorry, everybody forgives him?
Dan keeps job.
Now Bill O'Reilly might even get a little tougher.
No job opening for O'Reilly.

To forgive is to tolerate!!!
Dan must go.


23 posted on 09/20/2004 3:50:08 PM PDT by lyingisbetter ("Let's wait Kerry" or Let's go Bush")
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To: Former Military Chick

Question.......Why did CBS and DAN goto to HIM?!?!?!?!?!?


24 posted on 09/20/2004 3:50:19 PM PDT by mr lawson
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To: lostcreekdad

Did he say WHO he was sorry to? Or just sorry for himself and CBS and stock holders losing money.


25 posted on 09/20/2004 3:50:52 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Did anyone else notice this?

"Mr. Bush maintains that..."

On Saturday, a White House official said Mr. Bush has reviewed ...

Isn't the correct form "President Bush?" Have I been missing this all along?

Now that is just petty, petty, petty.
26 posted on 09/20/2004 3:51:06 PM PDT by ubu (puncturer of balloons!)
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To: lostcreekdad

blather said he was sorry he got caught using these docs, NOT that he was apologizing to President Bush for slandering him or to the American people that he tried to con with these faked and foged memos...he NEVER admitted they were FAKED or FORGED, only that there was not concrete proof that they were real. Ya, can't proove photo copies are real with out scientific forensic testing with lab and microscopic testing.


27 posted on 09/20/2004 3:51:39 PM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Thank you for such an excellent post, high ^^^^^5! Here it is short and sweet (and the guy has been in the job how long, not long at all):

"Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report."
Andrew Heyward
CBS News President

28 posted on 09/20/2004 3:52:12 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: TexasCajun

Burkett did not go to CBS to give them the documents. CBS went to him to get them. Now, who told CBS to dig up Burkett??? Puhlease, Burkett went to the Kerry campaign via Max Cleland (and who knows who after that) and told them he had these documents. But according to Gunga Dan tonight, Burkett didn't come to them, THEY went to him.

The plot thickens...


29 posted on 09/20/2004 3:52:13 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Former Military Chick
We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather added

What about the part where Rather claimed "Right Wing zealots" were discrediting the memo??? That was no mistake. That was partisan politics.

30 posted on 09/20/2004 3:53:14 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Endeavor

Another question raised by Dan Rather's statement on tonight's news. Rather said that Burkett didn't come to him, but that CBS went to Burkett for the documents. How did CBS know that Burkett had the documents. This puts further weight that the Kerry campaign or the DNC was involved. Who else would have tipped off CBS that Burkett had some potentially damaging documents?


31 posted on 09/20/2004 3:53:57 PM PDT by Virginia Gentleman
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To: ibme

Most excellent !!!!


32 posted on 09/20/2004 3:54:12 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Former Military Chick
Additional reporting on the documents will air on Monday's CBS Evening News...

To an audience of none?

33 posted on 09/20/2004 3:54:14 PM PDT by rickmichaels (God Bless America, Land That I Love)
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To: Former Military Chick

Rather and Burkett were almost as good as Clinton, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinskey." They colluded to defray the potential damage and I don't believe a darn word they said. There are bigger fish to fry and these two bumbling idiots tried to deflect the obvious. Both needs to be in jail. I will not listen to his next apology because there's a whole line of them coming up. I'm done with anything to do with CBS.


34 posted on 09/20/2004 3:55:23 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: Endeavor

And don't forget Dan's ugly daughter, she may be involved at some point??


35 posted on 09/20/2004 3:55:39 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: XJarhead
10-1 Burkett made them up himself, and his alleged true "source" does not exist.

Yeah, I think that's the obvious conclusion from what we know so far. It would be nice if he could be prosecuted, either under military or civilian law. That kind of trial is probably the only way we'll get past the media spin and find out what really happened.

36 posted on 09/20/2004 3:55:40 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Former Military Chick
What utter BS! So the story is they got them from Burkett who claimed it got them from someone else. So the source of the document is who? Taking it at face value, assuming that everyone is telling the truth, CBS has shamed itself because it relied on a document without talking to the actual source of the document. Burkett was no more relevant (if CBS is to be believed) than the postman who might deliver a document in the mail. Once again, since he is not the document's source (if CBS and Burkett are to be believed) then all he can do is vouch for the character of the person who GAVE him the document. But how can CBS rely the document without interviewing the person who delivered it to Burkett?

And what's all this BS about "unimpeachable sources" that Rather was spewing last week? Even if that epithet would apply to Burkett (which it DOESN'T) he is at best an unimpeachable source for the source, but not for the story itself.

Of course now that Burkett is a proven liar, why should one trust what he says about ANYTHING? And now that Rather is a proven liar for what he reported about his sources, what he should he be trusted either?

37 posted on 09/20/2004 3:57:39 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: Former Military Chick

Documents could not be "authenicated". Next step - if the documents cannot be authenicated, then the information contained in them is sheer speculation, based on hearsay at best, and an outright fabrication otherwise. Hearsay is not admissible, and repetition of fabrications is tantamount to perjury.

There were no "original documents" that contained such perjorative statements by Lt. Colonel Killian concerning Lt. George W. Bush. In the official files, in his private files, or anywhere in the known universe. At any time. Ever.

Cuffing liars.


38 posted on 09/20/2004 3:58:26 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: 68skylark

This one leads straight back to the Dems- take your pick as to which one(s).


39 posted on 09/20/2004 3:58:38 PM PDT by trentk (trentk)
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To: PJ-Comix

"I hope the feeding frenzy over the TANG documents was worth possibly costing us the election. "

Bush = Roadrunner
MSM/DNC/Kerry = Wile E Coyote

I think Bush was going to win anyway, but this way of defeating both the MSM *and* the Democrats, by doing *nothing* while they managed to implode based on their own paranoid delusions/hate of Bush is so apropos the whole election cycle. Kerry/DNC/MSM lied and lied, and in the end it amounts to nothing because Kerry offers nothing but negative lies about Bush.

Bush: BEEP BEEP

...ooh, how sweet it is!!

"Max Cleland is the triple amputee former Senator from Georgia who is working for the DNC now. It is being reported that Bill Burkett told a group of Texas Democrats in a mailing list that he had given Max documents to counter-attack the Swift Liars. It is implied that he is the "unimpeachable" source from CBS. CBS then simply got the documents from Burkett for sure, but it was Cleland who gave it credibility for CBS to run with it...so the story goes "

If even DUmmies are admiting a Burkett/DNC connection, there is way more than meets the (CBS) eye, even now!!!


40 posted on 09/20/2004 3:58:56 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Mark

I think he is sorry to their one remaining listener for having to wade through their tripe.


41 posted on 09/20/2004 3:59:40 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: PMCarey

They are covering for eachother. Burkett will STFU and CBS will not claim the original source ...

unless you can hack into Burkett's computer, no telling if he did it or someone else.


42 posted on 09/20/2004 4:00:55 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: PJ-Comix

LOL! I saw some of that drivel they're peddling over there, too. Truly a deranged band of loonies post at that benighted little cesspool of a site.
Now that I've been over there and walked through some of that bilge, it's time to hit the showers to get cleaned off!...LOL


43 posted on 09/20/2004 4:00:59 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: PMCarey

Texans for Truth, Max Cleland, Robin Rather, & Ben Barnes are among the top perpetrators. This Blathering idiots made fools of themselves once again. Don't forget to turn the lights out on your way out the door, Dan!


44 posted on 09/20/2004 4:01:23 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: rickmichaels
"We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather added.

Rather apologized for his "mistake in judgment". he has NOT apologized to President Bush for besmirching him. Rather has not appologized for intentionally attempting to mislead the public and influence a presidential election based on forged documents that he KNEW were fake (CBS's own people told Dan that they were not real).

CBS has IN NO WAY adequately responded to their partisan attempt to inappropriately interfere with a presidential election. Until CBS CLEARLY admits their failings, CBS should continue to have their feet held to the fire.

45 posted on 09/20/2004 4:01:45 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: alloysteel

It's pathetic how they dont admit that these are forgeries.


46 posted on 09/20/2004 4:01:46 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Former Military Chick
"Meanwhile, a federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by next week any unreleased files about Mr. Bush's Vietnam-era Air National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Associated Press."

Has anyone done a FOIA request for sKerry's records. If not why not??

47 posted on 09/20/2004 4:01:49 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: trentk
This one leads straight back to the Dems- take your pick as to which one(s).

Like James Taranto said, there's as much evidence of DNC involvement in this as the evidence connecting the Swift Boat vets to the Bush campaign. Wanna bet on whether the NY Times will write about the connections as aggressively?

48 posted on 09/20/2004 4:02:08 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: TexasCajun

Yep (on dan's daughter)


DAN RATHER MUST GO!
DAN RATHER MUST GO!
DAN RATHER MUST GO!


49 posted on 09/20/2004 4:03:04 PM PDT by Endeavor
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