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Max Cleland's August 25th Texas Road Trip
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Posted on 09/20/2004 5:31:42 PM PDT by counterpunch

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To: counterpunch

Excellent. The media would naturally follow the whereabouts of Cleland with verything going on. He had to have a REASON to be in Texas. So he goes to the ranch, SCREAMS for a meeting, the quietly drops by Burkett's place to deliver the documents Burkett has been looking for. In Rather's interview he says that Burkett gave him the name of the source of the document, but CBS cannot verify it. Can't verify it because it would sink Cleland and Kerry would be pulled down along with him. The DNC is all over this.


51 posted on 09/20/2004 6:29:52 PM PDT by dannyboy72
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To: big bad easter bunny

Lets keep our focus narrowed to the key players involved from the Kerry campaign and the DNC.

We do know that the DNC had the whole "Operation Fortunate Forgery" or whatever they called it all ready for roll out the day after.
And we know that CBS said the documents "were provided by unimpeachable sources" just last Friday.

So who else was involved besides Burkett in the document scandal. CBS has signaled that there were more and they know their identities.


52 posted on 09/20/2004 6:35:35 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

bttt


53 posted on 09/20/2004 6:35:51 PM PDT by nopardons (The pajamsless warrior)
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To: dannyboy72

Wasn't there a FR live thread that day? I wonder if there were any posts about "he's landed" or similiar where the flight could be pinpointed. Just a thought...


54 posted on 09/20/2004 6:40:59 PM PDT by noexcuses
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To: counterpunch
Still Talking Swift Boats: Day 21 (Max Cleland In Crawford Unannouced to deliver Senate Letter) ^
  Posted by gopwinsin04
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 11:36:11 AM CDT · 121 replies · 3,042+ views


CNN ^ | 8/25/04 | John Mercurio
Later this morning, Max Cleland and Jim Rasmann will arrive uninvited at President Bush's ranch in Crawford to hand deliver a letter signed by nine Democratic senators urging the President to 'recognize this blatant attempt at character assassination' and publicly condemn the swift boat ads.The letter was signed by Sens. Daniel Inouye, Tom Carper, Jon Corzine, Tom Harkin, Fritz Hollings, Frank Lautenberg, Jack Reed, Bill Nelson, and Jeff Bingaman.Camp Kerry, which alerted the media of their plans last night, concedes that Cleland and Rassman will 'likely be turned away' --something we're not sure the Bush/Cheney team would allow to pass.Sensing...
 

Cleland Tries to Deliver Letter to Bush ^
  Posted by AdrianSpidle
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 1:57:12 PM CDT · 47 replies · 1,665+ views


AP ^ | 8/25/04 | Deb Reichmann
How come Max wouldn't take Jerry Patterson's letter? BTW, has anyone else noticed how top Dem War Hero Max Cleland hurt himself in an accident? God forbid he kill any of Kerry's NVA allies. By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer CRAWFORD, Texas - Former Democratic Sen. Max Cleland tried to deliver a letter protesting ads challenging John Kerry (news - web sites)'s Vietnam service to President Bush (news - web sites) at his Texas ranch Wednesday, but the Secret Service stopped Cleland short of his goal. http://pep.typepad.com
 

Kerry pledges to create more, better quality jobs (sends Cleland to crawford to whine.) ^
  Posted by Pikamax
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 9:04:53 AM CDT · 22 replies · 377+ views


AP ^ | 08/25/04 | MARY DALRYMPLE
Kerry pledges to create more, better quality jobs MARY DALRYMPLE Associated Press PHILADELPHIA - John Kerry headed to closely divided Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to tell voters he could produce better, higher-paying jobs from the White House than President Bush has. "I believe that when you put in a good day's work, you deserve a good day's pay," Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery at town hall meeting in Philadelphia. "I believe in creating jobs that don't just let you survive, but let you get ahead. Jobs that let you pay your bills, send your kids to college, buy a...
 

Cleland to Ask Bush to Yank Ads (Bush Camp has letter for them) ^
  Posted by cyncooper
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 12:03:26 PM CDT · 198 replies · 7,026+ views


Foxnews.com ^ | August 25, 2004 | Liza Porteus
Jerry Patterson, the Texas state land commissioner and a U.S. Marine who served in 1972-73, is greeting the duo and will be handing back to Cleland and Rassmann a letter for Kerry signed by Reps. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee; Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Califwho spent 21 years in the Navy and Sam Johnson, R-Texas, who spent 28 years in the Air Force. Also signing the letter are Robert O'Malley and James Fleming, who both received Medals of Honor for their service in the Marine Corps during Vietnam, retired Lt. Col. Richard Castle and Lt. Gen. Dave...
 

Sen. Max Cleland Wednesday rebuffed an effort by a pro-Bush veteran to give him a letter ^
  Posted by mountn man
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 10:40:59 PM CDT · 26 replies · 757+ views


The Washington Times ^ | August 25, 2004
Pro-Bush vet rebuffed on letter to Kerry Crawford, TX, Aug. 25 (UPI) -- Former U.S. Sen. Max Cleland Wednesday rebuffed an effort by a pro-Bush veteran to give him a letter critical of presidential hopeful John Kerry. In a highly publicized photo-op, Cleland traveled to President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, to deliver a letter from nine senators calling on the president to repudiate the activities of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which has been running ads questioning Kerry's Vietnam War record. Cleland was met at the ranch by Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a Republican elected official and Vietnam...
 

Text of Letter given to Max Cleland ^
  Posted by George Smiley
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 12:45:41 PM CDT · 121 replies · 5,235+ views


Fox News ^ | August 25, 2004 | several honorable veterans
Raw Data: Servicemen's Letter to Kerry Wednesday, August 25, 2004 August 25, 2004 Senator John Kerry 304 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 Dear Senator Kerry, We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support. That's why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq...
 

ATTENTION FREEPERS! LET'S GET A LETTER TO MAX CLELAND THAT HE CAN HAND DELIVER TO HIS FRIEND KERRY! ^
  Posted by Informed1
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 8:58:34 AM CDT · 17 replies · 557+ views


Informed1 | 08/25/2004 | Informed!
LETTER TO CLELAND SHOULD BY HAND DELIVERED BY A PERSON OF A PERSON (Widow or Mother) WHO LOST A FAMILY MEMBER IN VIETNAM AFTER KERRY'S TESTIMONY. THREE REQUESTS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER TO KERRY ARE AS FOLLOWS: 1. WHY DID YOU BRING SO MANY CAMERAS TO VIETNAM AND WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FILMS AND PICTURES OF YOUR DANGEROUS TOUR? 3 PURPLE HEARTS..... 4 MONTHS..... ALL THIS FILM??? 2. WHY DID YOU PROVIDE TESTIMONY WHEN MY (SON, FATHER, BROTHER) WAS IN VIETNAM? WHY DID YOU RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE SHORTLY AFTER YOUR RETURN? WERE THESE TWO FACTS CONNECTED?...
 

(Bombshell) DFU ASKS MAX CLELAND TO DELIVER SHOCKING LETTER: "I urge all of you to vote for Kerry!" ^
  Posted by doug from upland
On News/Activism ^ 08/27/2004 11:01:16 AM CDT · 31 replies · 1,760+ views


dfu letter to Max Cleland | 8-27-04 | dfu
MEMORANDUM Attn: Max Cleland Sir: I understand that you have a new delivery service. Can you please deliver the following message in person for me? (begin text) TO: All of those eligible to vote FROM: Doug from Upland (California) John Kerry deserves your vote. He has proven himself worthy of it. He understands your needs and will not disappoint you. I urge all of you to vote for Kerry. His wife will be a shining star by his side. Don't listen to the detractors. Let there be no doubt that Kerry is a true war hero. Anyone who knows history...
 

LIVE THREAD: Cleland and Rassmann Approach Texas White House to Deliver Letter ^
  Posted by Howlin
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 12:03:48 PM CDT · 1,085 replies · 44,980+ views


Fox News | August 25, 2004
Cleland and Rassman expected at the checkpoint shortly. Fox is expecting a "photo op."


McCullough: KERRY SENDS GOONS TO CRAWFORD/LAUNCHES 14 BRAND NEW 527 ADS AGAINST BUSH ^
  Posted by KMC1
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 10:37:00 AM CDT · 55 replies · 2,302+ views


WMCA-NY ^ | 8.25.2004
Fresh off after having to force his campaign to admit that his first purple heart wound was in fact self-inflicted, John Kerry continued his bizarre actions towards the President - when who he is really mad at is the Swift Boat Vets - who are not connected to the President. Kerry was forced to acknowledge as much in a phone call to one of the Swift Vets Sunday evening. Yesterday in New York - after speaking directly with a 527 group - Kerry again accused President Bush of "hiding behind 527 groups". Kerry did this despite President Bush's direct denouncement of...
 

Moore film reaches Bush backyard but nixes plans to go to Crawford, Texas. ^
  Posted by Happy2BMe
On News/Activism ^ 07/29/2004 1:04:37 AM CDT · 70 replies · 692+ views


AFP ^
Moore film reaches Bush backyard Wed Jul 28,12:54 PM ET CRAWFORD, United States (AFP) - Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Farenheit 9/11" reaches US President George W. Bush ( - )'s backyard -- but the filmmaker has nixed plans to come to this one-stoplight town to officiate Word that Moore was coming to Crawford, a hamlet of 705 people, had drawn a dismissive response from the White House but sparked anger and worry among some locals, including one who left his message in cow manure. "To Michael Moore, from James Douglas, one pile of bullshit deserves another!!!" read a note atop...
 

Cleland to Bush: 'Put Up or Shut Up' ^
  Posted by ambrose
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 2:27:20 PM CDT · 141 replies · 3,180+ views


CNSNews.com ^ | 8-25-04
Cleland to Bush: 'Put Up or Shut Up' By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor August 25, 2004 (CNSNews.com) - Former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland tried, but failed to personally deliver a letter to President George Bush at his Crawford, Texas ranch Wednesday, asking Bush to denounce TV ads run by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that criticizes Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's military record. At a news conference following the incident, Cleland called on Bush to "put up or shut up" and denounce the ads. "These scurrilous attacks on John Kerry's credibility in war, his courage, his...
 

Max Cleland Turned Away From Bush Ranch ^
  Posted by GulliverSwift
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 1:36:49 PM CDT · 393 replies · 13,943+ views


Former Georgia Senator Max Cleland, left, and former Green Beret Lt. Jim Rassmann, center, approach a Secret Service Agent, right, on station at the check point to the entrance of President Bush (news - web sites)'s ranch Wednesday Aug. 25, 2004 in Crawford, Texas. Cleland tried to deliver a letter protesting ads challenging John Kerry (news - web sites)'s Vietnam service to President Bush at his Texas ranch Wednesday, but the Secret Service stopped Cleland short of his goal. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)
 

A $136,000 Link (Cleland is a Bush Appointee) ^
  Posted by neverdem
On News/Activism ^ 08/25/2004 4:11:38 PM CDT · 73 replies · 3,302+ views


NRO ^ | August 25, 2004 | Rich Lowry
E-mail Author Author Archive Send to a Friend <% printurl = Request.ServerVariables("URL")%> Print Version August 25, 2004, 4:21 p.m. A $136,000 LinkMax Cleland, Bush political appointee. Max Cleland, who made a staged appearance at the Bush ranch Wednesday, was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank in 2003. The same Max Cleland who is spending nearly all of his time attacking President Bush is, amazingly enough, a Bush political appointee. According to a bank spokesman, Cleland makes $136,000 a year off this very cushy job. A couple of questions come to...
 

'Fighting Bush is very therapeutic'(MAX CLELAND ALERT) ^
  Posted by MadIvan
On News/Activism ^ 08/11/2004 6:14:09 AM CDT · 23 replies · 574+ views


The Daily Telegraph ^ | August 11, 2004 | Alec Russell
Max Cleland tells Alec Russell how he overcame losing three limbs in Vietnam to become a US senator and John Kerry's staunchest allyThree months to go in the battle for the American presidency, and the gloves are well and truly off. Last week, the race for the White House turned nasty with the broadcast of a television advertisement accusing John Kerry of lying about his achievements as a swift boat commander in Vietnam. The ad campaign, on behalf of a group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, claimed that during the incident on the Mekong Delta that led to...
 

A $136,000 Link Max Cleland, Bush political appointee.  ^
  Posted by NotchJohnson
On News/Activism ^ 08/26/2004 8:34:59 AM CDT · 18 replies · 741+ views


NR ^ | 8/25/04 | Lowry
Max Cleland, who made a staged appearance at the Bush ranch Wednesday, was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank in 2003. The same Max Cleland who is spending nearly all of his time attacking President Bush is, amazingly enough, a Bush political appointee. According to a bank spokesman, Cleland makes $136,000 a year off this very cushy job. A couple of questions come to mind here: If Cleland had any decency, wouldn't he resign? Why would he accept a political appointment from a man he so loathes and thinks represents the...
 

55 posted on 09/20/2004 6:55:33 PM PDT by deport (Democrats play hardball at the peewee-league level and then lose)
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To: andie74

I saw what you'd written previously so I taped it and listened to what he said and I caught the spot but it was definitely NOT as you suggest; I forget exactly what he said, right now, but it was something like "my opinion" with an accented emphasis on the (long O) "on"


56 posted on 09/20/2004 6:57:46 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: counterpunch

Well when you add in the fact that Mapes called Lockhard and suggested he call Burkett .. how can the DNC/Kerry campaign claim they are not involved. Of course they're involved - up to their ears.


57 posted on 09/20/2004 7:08:49 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Steven W.

I appreciate that. I just heard it once, and another Freeper and I concurred that it was like Ramon or something garbled...and then someone else wrote me and asked, "Who was WITH Cleland when he went to the Western White House?" and we realized it was Rassmann. It sounded close to us, but I confess, I did not have the ability to go back on tape and hear it again.

So much for armchair, pajama journalism, eh?


58 posted on 09/20/2004 7:12:55 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: counterpunch

Marking...


59 posted on 09/20/2004 7:28:33 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: counterpunch
Did Cleland make a visit there that day? Did someone in the Kerry campaign act as a middleman in passing along the information to CBS that Burkett had these documents? Did someone in the Kerry campaign lobby CBS to use these documents or vouch for their authenticity? CBS claimed that these documents came from "unimpeachable sources." Other than Burkett, who are the other sources? Why did CBS consider Burkett "unimpeachable"? CBS must answer the question

Alright, FREEPERS. I beg you: A critical part of Bloggerism is simply asking questions that won't go away. And then repeating those same questions over and over again to as many media gatekeepers as possible.

Questions linger. Questions continue to raise their ugly head when answers aren't readily forthcoming by the truth blockers. (This is a blogger vs. blocker war). The media, by its very nature, are tidy inquisitors. Unsolved questions bother them. (Hence, when Rather can't get every square inch of military records, he was willing to use the flimsiest ones possible).

Come up with your top dozen questions and keep askin' & askin the Corporate media until we get answers!

60 posted on 09/20/2004 7:28:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Here is some insight into one question I posed:

As I asked, did the documents play a role in Barnes' decision to talk to 60 Minutes?

Here is some insight into the question:

Rumors about the memos had circulated in the Democratic Party and media circles for weeks; in fact, CBS had used their existence to help persuade Barnes to talk. He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

But now we learn that Barnes decided to talk to CBS just a few days before CBS recieved the documents:

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents.

61 posted on 09/20/2004 7:40:13 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: counterpunch

You have done EXCELLENT work here...thanks!!!


62 posted on 09/20/2004 8:01:06 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: counterpunch

Bump for evidence of Cleland Burkett connection.


63 posted on 09/20/2004 8:32:40 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: HalleysFifth; counterpunch
Anybody still have news coverage from that day on video. (Wish I did.) Who was there outside the Bush ranch?

Funny you should ask, I recorded a whole bunch of it and just located it to review tonight! Some is on vhs, some on dvd. Been thinking since I heard about the Burkett/Cleland connection that I needed to dig it out and look at it, but tonight's the first chance I've had.

On a quick review of the main news conference Cleland held at the school in Crawford, I did not see anyone who jumped out as obviously being Burkett. However, I have only seen a couple of pics of him and someone else should probably double-check the faces besides me. Many of the "Texas Vets" Cleland had with him have on ball caps and their faces are shaded due to the noontime sun.

(By the way, do we have any current pictures of Mary Mapes? I think the curly-haired-blonde pic is from several years ago when she was covering the Jasper story. There are lots of women with the press corps in the Crawford footage, but no curly blonde hair.)

That said, I distinctly recall some other footage being shown ealier that day from Cleland's arrival at the airport in Waco where he's getting into the car to go to the ranch, I want to see who all was hanging around there. I haven't found that footage yet, if I recorded it, it's probably on the vhs tape. Truthfully, I think it would be an astonishing development to find Burkett on video meeting with Cleland--it's a heckuva longshot and highly unlikely we could get that lucky, but it's certainly reasonable to check into it considering what we've learned the last few days about their contacts.

Due to the fact that the whole Cleland-in-Crawford trip was covered on the news live, we can reconstruct at least some of Cleland's travel timeline. I am working on that as I review the footage, but no way can I finish and post it tonight.

It's going to take some work for me to get screen captures of the people at the news conference, I don't have a video card in my computer and will have to play it out to a camcorder to capture it on memory stick, then transfer it to my computer! Would some FReeper with some bandwidth be willing to host the stills if I can get them captured? Please FReepmail me.

Of course, this would all be so doggone easy if the MSM would just do their jobs, I'm sure they have all the raw footage from that day all time-coded and could check this easily! But it's FReepers who are asking these questions and doing the digging.

I'm going to work on reviewing footage/building timeline for a while before bed and will check back in tomorrow. Pajamas on!

64 posted on 09/20/2004 11:53:46 PM PDT by TheSarce (FreeRepublic: The Mother of All Fact-Checkers.)
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To: TheSarce

Good work! So you have him getting in/out of a certain car at the Waco airport. Was it a distinctive car - one someone around say, a Kinko's in Abilene might remember? I'm thinking handicapped-equipped or the like. Maybe?


65 posted on 09/21/2004 12:04:26 AM PDT by HalleysFifth
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To: MJY1288
Here is the Live Thread from that day...haven't had time to go through it all.
66 posted on 09/21/2004 7:44:57 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: HalleysFifth; counterpunch
By late Wednesday morning, Rassmann was in Waco, copies of The New York Times and The Dallas Morning News slipped under one arm. He headed to the president's ranch with Geronimo Rodriguez Jr. -- the 35-year-old Texas director for the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

The plan was for Rodriguez, an Austin attorney and son of migrant farm workers, to deliver Rassmann to a U.S. Secret Service roadblock several miles from the president's ranch, where the veterans would hand the letter to a member of the president's security detail.

As part of a seven-car caravan carrying Kerry advisers, Cleland and his staff, Rodriguez made one stop before heading into Crawford: He had the letter from the senators, but he needed an envelope to put it in. So the group made a quick detour to a Shell station so Rodriguez could duck inside to pick up a box of white envelopes.

When Rodriguez made another quick stop to nail down last-minute details of the trip to the ranch, a woman walked up to Rassmann.

Oregon Live

67 posted on 09/21/2004 8:10:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: counterpunch

I believe that the "unimpeachable" source is a term Rather used to protect someone close to him, in the event that he and the source are revealed.

This thing is not over.

I think Rather is soon to empty his desk.


68 posted on 09/21/2004 8:18:32 AM PDT by Preachin' (Kerry/Rather 2004)
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To: get'emall
Burkett knows Max is a wheel in the Kerry machine. Max wants to lend a hand but can't. Burkett drops the bomb on Cleland. Max fumbles the explosive information, and it blows up in his face.

Perhaps I am reading into it too much, but I seem to detect a very cleverly worded amphibiology in that passage.

69 posted on 09/21/2004 9:39:45 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: OldGuard

CBS considered Burkett "unimpeachable" because Max Cleland went to bat for him, after the Texas meeting?


70 posted on 09/21/2004 10:33:43 AM PDT by catch
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
Please refresh us. What was the big issue that Cleland, famed man who can't get over his defeat, was trying to raise in his letter to President Bush. I'm having a mental block.

I think he was demanding new fonts for Vietnam-era typewriters...

71 posted on 09/21/2004 10:48:37 AM PDT by talleyman (The fruitcake doesn't fall too far from the tree...)
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To: counterpunch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201300/posts


72 posted on 09/21/2004 2:26:12 PM PDT by Jack Bull
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To: HalleysFifth

Former Georgia Senator Max Cleland, left, and former Green Beret Lt. Jim Rassmann, center, approach a Secret Service Agent, right, on station at the check point to the entrance of President Bush's ranch Wednesday Aug. 25, 2004 in Crawford, Texas. Cleland tried to deliver a letter protesting ads challenging John Kerry's Vietnam service to President Bush at his Texas ranch Wednesday, but the Secret Service stopped Cleland short of his goal. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

also, http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/cleland.swiftboat/ look down on the right hand side, there is a 'play video'segment for Cleland.

73 posted on 09/21/2004 8:31:22 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Preachin'

Unless "unimpeachable" refers to Bill Clinton. (Just kidding, Bill.)


74 posted on 09/21/2004 9:17:04 PM PDT by maro (T)
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To: counterpunch

BTTT


75 posted on 09/21/2004 9:19:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: bitt
'play video'segment for Cleland

Thanks ----- I tried to play it, but CommieNN makes you sign up and pay for a subscription to view the videos. Y'know what? . . . . . . UH-UH!!!
76 posted on 09/21/2004 10:27:43 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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