Navy Launches Second Kerry Medal Probe

NewsMax .com ^ | 9/21/04 | Carl Limbacher

[kattracks]

The U.S. Navy has launched a new probe into Sen. John Kerry's Silver Star citation, after the Navy Secretary whose signature appears on the document said he never signed the award.

"It is a total mystery to me," former Navy Secretary John Lehman told the Chicago Sun-Times in August. "I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he complained.

The Lehman document is the last of three versions of Kerry Silver Star citation that have been posted to Kerry's campaign website.

On Friday, Navy Inspector General Adm. R. A. Route closed out a superficial probe into the circumstances of Kerry's war decorations; one that verified only that appropriate procedures were followed when the commendations were issued.

But Monday's New York Post reported: "Lehman's disavowal of citation No. 3 has prompted a separate investigation."

Word of the second Kerry medals probe comes as complaints escalate over the top Democrat's refusal to authorize the release of his full military file.

Last week he told radio host Don Imus that all the Navy records he had in his possession had been posted to the campaign web site.

But Imus never asked why Kerry hadn't signed Form 180, which would authorize the release of nearly 100 pages from his military file which remain under seal.

[GoLightly]

What is in those 31 pages Mr. Kerry? I wondered how the Navy could drop Judicial Watch's suit the way they did, with three different docs generated for a single award.

[concerned about politics]

But Monday's New York Post reported: "Lehman's disavowal of citation No. 3 has prompted a separate investigation."

I hope Newsmax has this right. I couldn't believe the military did nothing about a fraudulent document like that. It seemed odd they'd let it go.

[MonroeDNA]

John Fraud Kerry.

[DakotaGator]

It's just amazing what's coming out of the woodwork!

[leadpenny]

An Imus Basher! Say it ain't so, Carl.


I thought the Navy had shut the door on all of this stuff. Glad to see this. The paper trail, or lack thereof, surrounding the SS citation amendments could be the sleeper story of Kerry's past.

[concerned about politics]

What is in those 31 pages Mr. Kerry? I wondered how the Navy could drop Judicial Watch's suit the way they did, with three different docs generated for a single award.

They dropped the lawsuit for the 31 pages because Kerry has to sign the F180 before they can release them. Kerry has to wave his privacy right. A fraudulent document is another story!!! That's military law business.
I wonder who Kerry really got to sign for his silver star if the document is a fraud? Like the CBS document, who signed it???

BTTT

[ZULU]

How many young men of Kerry's age decide they want to become President?

I think Kerry is a megalomaniac who was plotting his career years into the future.

But deep down inside he's just another cheap gigolo.

[GoLightly]

I like how they dangle out the number of unreleased pages. lol

I had not thought about that signature, cuz I had pretty much assumed that it had been machine generated, but with the docs story popping up, it raises a very valid question.

[concerned about politics]

"It is a total mystery to me," former Navy Secretary John Lehman told the Chicago Sun-Times in August. "I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he complained.

I just love this part. "Wasn't me."

[dc-zoo]

There's trouble in River City!

[Lancey Howard]

"It is a total mystery to me," former Navy Secretary John Lehman told the Chicago Sun-Times in August. "I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he complained.

It's not a mystery to me. Kerry forged it. That's what Kerry and the Democrats DO.

[Lancey Howard]

[Navy Patriot]

It's going to get even better with the next probe regarding why Kerry's "honorable" discharge is dated in the 1990's.

[Salamander]

John Forbes Forges Kerry.

[Future Useless Eater]

I would LOVE it for Admiral Schachte to ALSO ask the Navy
for an investigation of how Kerry managed to APPLY for
his 1st purple heart after he (and Hibbard) denied it...

...AND also if Kerry LIED about who was commanding that
Boston Whaler that night.

[Future Useless Eater]

Forging a N.G. 'file memo' would not bother someone for a second
of they had already forged a purple heart award.

[EGPWS]

"It is a total mystery to me,"

Join the crowd, John!

[concerned about politics]

I would LOVE it for Admiral Schachte to ALSO ask the Navy for an investigation of how Kerry managed to APPLY for his 1st purple heart after he (and Hibbard) denied it...

If they denied Kerry's request for the heart, then who signed for it? Some one had to.

[EGPWS]

It's going to get even better with the next probe regarding why Kerry's "honorable" discharge is dated in the 1990's.

THAT is the gig one, however the time frame for investigation without form 180, would place the outcome well past November.

[sweetiepiezer]

WHOOPIE!!!!!!!!!

oops

[EGPWS]

That's "BIG"....

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

It's high time.........

[Jerry W. Howard]

Well, Benedict Arnold was a military hero before he conspired with the enemy, and look what became his place in history.

If the founding fathers had been as foolish as today's democratic party they would have worked to give him the Silver Star and then run him for president instead of GW (Washington) -

Let's hope some of the founders' DNA is still in our national gene pool.

[concerned about politics]

It's going to get even better with the next probe regarding why Kerry's "honorable" discharge is dated in the 1990's.

Yeah. Isn't that when all dishonorables got a pardon? Damn, this is getting better and better.
Man, I wish the press would get onto this story. It's huge.

[Salamander]

Maybe we should should start calling him John "Faust" Kerry.
He's sold out his honor, his country and his integrity for power.
What should his soul matter, now?

[Casloy]

There is something VERY bad in those files, very bad.

[devolve]

[Navy Patriot]

Man, I wish the press would get onto this story. It's huge.

Dan Rather's right on it. That is, if little Peter Jennings dosen't beat him to it.

[The Bandit]

I was just posting more on this story but the Admin Moderator deleted it :(

[AMDG&BVMH]

"Forging a N.G. 'file memo' would not bother someone for a second
of they had already forged a purple heart award."

Yes, and President Bush's release of his official files meant that they HAD to forge a "file memo" because the official docs. would be known.

Odder and odder that Kerry does not want his "copies" of his documents to be compared to the ones the Navy has in his official file . . .

[Shery]

What's in the records? My guess is a dishonorable discharge.

[M-cubed]

A fraudulent document is another story!!! That's military law business..<<<<Duh!...a "V" device on a Silver Star...There's only 1 in existence!...(Hell, you dont even have to wear "jammies" to figure out thats bogus!)..I expect the Military is in CYA mode as ...SOMEONE AUTHORIZED IT!...(My guess is there are a lot of false and doctored records that have been placed in the Kerry file thru the yrs)

[M-cubed]

THAT is the gig one, however the time frame for investigation without form 180, would place the outcome well past November.<<<..Unless of course the Swiftee's have evidence.....then they could let him swing in the breeze till it is too late for the Dims to replace his lying rice-filled a$$!...(In a good ambush U gotta hold your fire till u can do MAXIMUM DAMAGE TO THE ENEMY!

[CaptainVictory]

What's in the records? My guess is a dishonorable discharge.

Technical point here. As an officer, he could not have received a dishonorable discharge, only a "dismissal," which is the functional equivalent of a DD. But even then, he could not have received a DD unless he was convicted in a court-martial, which is a public forum and would be well documented.

On the other hand, he could have received an administrative discharge that was not an "honorable" discharge. That is, he could have received a "general discharge," which is still a discharge under honorable conditions (it's like getting a "C" on your report card -- you still pass, but you were not a model student). Or he could have received a "discharge under other than honorable conditions," which is like getting an "F" without being court-martialed. Even then, I am not sure whether it would be protected by the Privacy Act. If not, it seems we would already know about it.

There could be medical information, or perhaps criminal investigatory information that never came to fruition, that held up his discharge. He could have been discharged honorably, but with an unflattering administrative code that was later removed. Who knows. I would love to know what the deal was.

[CaptainVictory]

But even then, he could not have received a DD unless he was convicted in a court-martial, which is a public forum and would be well documented.

Oops. That should read "But even then, he could not have received a dismissal unless he was convicted ... ."

[EdReform]

Ping

[Logic n' Reason]

And what, pray tell, were the results of the first "probe"???

Do tell!

[EdReform]

Ping

[Grampa Dave]

Lets hope that News Max is right on this.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"The U.S. Navy has launched a new probe into Sen. John Kerry's Silver Star citation, after the Navy Secretary whose signature appears on the document said he never signed the award."

PING!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"First I picked Edwards BUT now I pick Hanoi Jane!"

Edwards played football in 1971 when he turned 18
instead of serving in Vietnam.
Hanoi Jane at least was a Viet Cong!
Just like me!

Hanoi Jane and I know how to demoralize US Troops serving today!

We hate US Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We hate all US Troops!

We lie about them in 2004 the same as we did in the 60's and 70's!

We vow to protect the UN and the Oil for Food Scandal

We vow to keep secret the ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida

We vow to free Saddam Hussein with help from our old friend Ramsey Clark.


John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here
READ THIS INTERVIEW THAT KERRY GAVE in 1970
KERRY GAVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE VIET CONG

Harvard Crimson : Kerry refused order to destroy Viet Cong village

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER

Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."



Hanoi Kerry and Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G



Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."


Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company

[afnamvet]

Good Morning! Thanks for the ping Tonk.

[MistyCA]

Thanks for the ping to this

[Soaring Feather]

bump!!

[MistyCA]

Thanks for the ping. It's about time. I would be highly upset with the military if they overlooked this obvious discrepancy (being kind here!).

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Your Welcome Brother!

[shield]

CAN WE ALL SAY: DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE FROM THE NAVY

Then expunged by clintoon...in '93

[laurenmarlowe]

Thanks Tonk. BTTT!