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CBS Alluded To An Un-Impeachable Source: Definitely Not George Conn. Who Was It CBS?

Posted on 09/21/2004 4:01:05 AM PDT by notkerry

Burkett has now disclosed he had previously falsely identified the source of the forged documents as a former Texas National Guard friend, George Conn. CBS had claimed it had an unimpeachable source who clearly could not of been Burkett. If it was George Conn, CBS again has shown its utter failure of investigating reporting and/or its bias.

George Conn denied to the Boston Globe in February 0f 2004 that Burkett's stories were true. CBS needs to name their un-impeachable source!


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Excerpts From the Boston Globe Articel: "Doubts raised on Bush accuser"

Key witness disputes charge by Guard retiree that files were purged

By Michael Rezendes, Globe Staff, 2/13/2004

Retired Lieutenant Colonel Bill Burkett, who has been pressing his charges in the national news media this week, says he even heard one high-ranking officer issue a 1997 order to sanitize the Bush file, and later saw another officer poring over the records and discovered that some had been discarded.

But a key witness to some of the events described by Burkett has told the Globe that the central elements of his story are false.

George O. Conn, a former chief warrant officer with the Guard and a friend of Burkett's, is the person whom Burkett says led him to the room where the Bush records were being vetted. But Conn says he never saw anyone combing through the Bush file or discarding records. "I have no recall of that," Conn said. "I have no recall of that whatsoever. None. Zip. Nada."

Conn's recollection also undercuts another of Burkett's central allegations: that he overheard Bush's onetime chief of staff, Joe M. Allbaugh, telling a Texas Guard general to make sure there were no embarrassments in the Bush record.

Burkett says he told Conn, over dinner that same night, what he had overheard. But Conn says that, although Burkett told him he worried that the Bush record would be sanitized, he never mentioned overhearing the conversation between Allbaugh and General Daniel James III.

According to Burke, Conn asked Scribner what he was doing and Scribner replied that he was looking through Bush's records. Burkett said Conn and Scribner then briefly left him alone, and that he saw some pages of Bush's military records in a trash can near Scribner's desk.

Conn contradicts most of Burkett's rendition. He said that he remembers introducing Burkett to Scribner at the museum but that Scribner never said he was going over the Bush file. "If he had said he was going through George W. Bush's records I would have dropped my teeth. Wow," Conn said. "I would definitely have remembered that. I don't recall that at all."

Burkett also says that, before the encounter with Scribner, he was standing with a group of Guard officers, and heard a ranking officer order Scribner to review the Bush file and remove any documents that might be embarrassing to the then-governor.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/13/doubts_raised_on_bush_accuser/

1 posted on 09/21/2004 4:01:05 AM PDT by notkerry
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To: notkerry
Well, since Kerry is not yet President he is unimpeachable...

He is still a Senator though right? I don't think he remembers that...



Patriot Paradox

2 posted on 09/21/2004 4:04:06 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000 ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: notkerry

Dan Rather considers Bill Clinton to be an un-impeachable source.


3 posted on 09/21/2004 4:06:15 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: notkerry

That's the big question. Is CBS expecting us to forget that Dan used the phrase "unimpeachable"? If so, no one in their right mind would use it about Burkett. Wonder if anyone will dig deep enough.


4 posted on 09/21/2004 4:11:54 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: All

Conn is not doing interviews.

Also, what's up with Burkett saying he burned, in the Kinko's parking lot, the copies of the documents given to him by Lucy Rameriz? Not believable.


5 posted on 09/21/2004 4:11:58 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: notkerry
No. That would be "unimpeachable sources"

It is very important that we bring attention to this.
There was more than just Burkett.
6 posted on 09/21/2004 4:12:28 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: notkerry
Un-impeachable source.

Perhaps Dan has been talking with Hillary's friend, Eleanor Roosevelt.

7 posted on 09/21/2004 4:13:27 AM PDT by syriacus (Dan Rather has a fine career ahead of him........as a gossip columnist called "DUPE throat.")
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To: notkerry
And now for the latest edition of the DUmmie FUnnies on the subject of Memogate. My humble Tom Servo comments on the DUmmie universe are in the [brackets]:

I'm telling you, Dan Rather is on KKKarl Rove's payroll. He's on his knees in front of that fat, slimy, sleazeball like a WH intern.

[Uh-oh! This DUmmie is on to us! He has discovered our secret Rovian plot to pay off Dan Rather. Yes, every week KARL ROVE meets Dan late at night at a Manhattan Dunkin' Donuts and hands him a bag full of bills totalling $79. Oh, and at the next table over, gobbling down bag after bag of donuts, is a certain former WH intern.]

Kerry just has to be prepared for Rove. They'll try to make this crap stick and Kerry just has to ready for to counter it. I have faith that he's got good people around him who will come up with something great.

[Better check under your bed. KARL ROVE is probably there secretly taping you. Everywhere you look you will see KARL ROVE. See that dark shadow in the alley? It's KARL ROVE! And one of the "good people" around Kerry? It's KARL ROVE in disguise!!!]

I think it's time to stop letting them push us around. If they want to make a case out of these then we take them to court for the Swift Boats for Truth. CONGRESS WE DEMEND A INQUIRY FOR THAT! NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS!

[This was apparently posted by a DUmmie but it must really be KARL ROVE. Yet another devious Rovian plot to give publicity for the Swift Boats for Truth. Watch out, DUmmies! KARL ROVE is roving amongst you. Hee! Hee!]

I knew Rove and his fellow trolls were diabolical, but I never knew just how good they were until today. I tried catching bits and pieces of several news shows on most of the cable channels and every show talked about how this is going to, or already has, sunk Dan Rather's career and the credibility of CBS news. And you can see everyone's eyes sparkling with joy!! What a great story! "Oh, it's a dark day for journalism, but god I'm having an orgasm."

[Yes! It's all part of Rove's diabolical plot to drive the DUmmies completely insane.....and it's WORKING!!!]

I was so excited when cbs aired the memo show. I figured that this would tie the dink to his record and would point to his lack of integrity and vile habit of lying about everything.

[SNIFF! Yet another DUmmie victim of a diabolical Rovian plot.]

"Lucy Ramirez" is obviously not a real person. A woman using that name called Burkett, and arranged a meet. But she never showed up at the meet. Instead, a man passed Burkett the papers. I would not be surprised if the RNC were behind this--passing crude forgeries in an effort to discredit the Bush AWOL story.

[By God! This ingenious DUmmie discovered the plot. Lucy Ramirez=Karl Rove. Notice how both last names start with the letter "R".]

Give these women a call, and ask them. "ARE YOU THE LUCY RAMIREZ THAT CALLED BURKETT? DON'T LIE TO ME. TELL THE TRUTH."

["You want the truth? Okay, I'LL GIVE YOU THE TRUTH!!! MY NAME IS KARL ROVE AND I CALLED BURKETT USING A FALSETTO VOICE!!!"]

I Googled Lucy Ramirez in news, just the thread story so far. Who is she?

[It's a good thing you didn't google Lucy Ramirez at a Motel Six since she is really KARL ROVE.]

. Here's a Lucy Ramirez . . . as executive director of a hospital that serves the poor in Hidalgo County, Texas. But I'm sure there are thousands of Lucy Ramirez's in south Texas.

[And MILLIONS of Karl Roves EVERYWHERE. In fact there is a smirking KARL ROVE standing right behind you at this very moment.]

Lucy Ramirez in 2000 was the woman who gave Repigs Gore's... tape of his debate speech. She worked for the bush campaign. The whole thing was that she was set up by karl rove, but was forced to take the blame and was fired. Much like Dan Rather is taking the blame and he was only the messanger.

[KARL ROVE! KARL ROVE! SLOOOOOOOWLY I TURNED, STEP BY STEP...]

No way! Are you saying the tape thing was done by a 'Lucy Ramirez' style shadow figure?

[Need I even mention the name of that "shadow figure?" karl rove. Oops! Excuse me. That just slipped out.]

It was a Bush operative who gave a tape to the Gore campaign. Her name was Yvette Lozano.

[Lucy Ramirez. Yvette Lozano. The confusion is easily explained. All those Spanish names sound the same. But the real name of both of these operatives was....KARL ROVE.]

When something is as convoluted and obtuse as this story is, I see Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it. Keep looking behind the curtains, you're gonna find Rove eventually.

[I SEE KARL ROVE! I SEE KARL ROVE UNDER MY BED! BEHIND THE CURTAINS! IN THE SHOWER! IN MY BASEMENT! ON MY ROOF! SEE THAT SHADOW? IT'S KARL ROVE! KARL ROVE IS EVERYWHERE!!! AND NOW HE IS HIDING IN THE DEEP DARK CREVICES OF MY MIND! AND I CAN'T GET HIM OUT! AGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!}

And here's the guy, Roger Stone, who is the link Stone and Rove go way, way back to Reagan and Lee Atwater, may be the source of the documents. This is the same guy who organized and paid the Miami Mob during the recount and then went on to join Al Sharpton's campaign. Folks if this is true, we have a direct link to the WH.

[It doesn't matter if it is true or not. Just type up official looking documents tying them together on your computer and fax the papers from Kinkos to Mary Mapes at CBS News. And if it backfires, then it proves this was a diablolical KARL ROVE plot.]

8 posted on 09/21/2004 4:14:41 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (What's the Forgery, Dan!!!???)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

There is no "Lucy Ramirez".
Burkett invented her to try to escape forgery charges.


9 posted on 09/21/2004 4:15:41 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: notkerry

Burkett was bag man. I'd vote for Cleland as the source.


10 posted on 09/21/2004 4:20:05 AM PDT by anton
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To: notkerry

I don't listen to anything Dan Rather says anymore, but according to FoxNews, Rather's apology was hedged. He basically stated that he still thinks the documents are real, but he can't prove it. And he defended his sources.

Sounds like a non-apology to me.


11 posted on 09/21/2004 4:23:03 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: anton

There is no coincidence that the timing of this democratic debacle comes on the heels of the "shake-up" in the Kerry campaign.

The addition of the Clintonistas, Lockhart, Begala, Carville, etc... SURELY figure into the mix regarding this issue.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Kerry campaign is behind the forgeries, and collusion with CBS. These dots need to be connected and Kerry will be toast.


12 posted on 09/21/2004 4:25:08 AM PDT by Wayfarer
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To: PJ-Comix
[And MILLIONS of Karl Roves EVERYWHERE. In fact there is a smirking KARL ROVE standing right behind you at this very moment.]

Karl Rove = Agent Smith...
13 posted on 09/21/2004 4:26:23 AM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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To: Brilliant

"Sounds like a non-apology to me."

Absolutely. I caught it on a local "rerun" and it made me think of Slick Willie. Both he and Dan were very sorry... to be caught. I don't believe Slick has apologized to Monica to this good day, and Dan is following his lead with a generic "sorry" and no real apology to Killian's family or the president. I hope Dan sees "Killian died, Rather lied" signs the rest of his life.


14 posted on 09/21/2004 4:35:34 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: notkerry
Burkett's story has many flaws, but to me, the fatal one is that he claims, with other National Guard officers also present, to have overheard an order to sanitize Bush's file. No one with even an elementary level of sense would give such an illegal order with witnesses present.

In charity to Burkett, his ailment causes damage to the brain and can bring personality changes and a tendency to confabulate. He is quite obviously a wreck of a human being. CBS is as much his exploiter as his victim.
15 posted on 09/21/2004 4:36:15 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: PJ-Comix
How I love the smell of DU paranoia in the morning! The DUfuses sound like they're ready for a chorus of the old English folksong "A-Rove'n":

A-Rove'n, a-Rove'n, Since Rove'n's been my ru-i-n, I'll go no more a-Rove'n with you, fair maid..."*

*"fair maid" = "Lucy "

16 posted on 09/21/2004 4:37:52 AM PDT by Reo
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To: Wayfarer

There is only one reason Mary Mapes mentioned the story (or made up the story)that Burkitt asked for contact with Lockhart. Since they knew the upshot of this report would be to set people looking for the real source, they say this to make sure you don't look in the obvious direction....the DNC. Burkitt had many, many prior contacts with the DNc and he was am obvious useful idiot to be used as a conduit for these documents. The Mapes, Lockhart story is like a quarterback looking you off in the wrong direction.


17 posted on 09/21/2004 4:40:26 AM PDT by Roamin53 (World War III started on Bill Clinton's watch....he just wasn't sure which side he was on!)
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To: notkerry; All

In case anyone wants to express themself to CBS, their Newsroon # is 212-975-3691 .......


18 posted on 09/21/2004 4:41:58 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (We're preaching to the choir. Get out and correctly persuade people to vote for Bush !!)
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To: notkerry
an unimpeachable source

i wouldn't be surprised if there was no unimpeachable source... it might just be a ruse to get people looking for someone who isn't there

or they might have dug into bobwoodward's bag of unimpeachable sources and picked the one who's in a coma or is dead at this moment

19 posted on 09/21/2004 4:46:58 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Bender : This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against me.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
They might have dug into bobwoodward's bag of unimpeachable sources and picked the one who's in a coma or is dead at this moment.

Really, though, this absolutely compounds the lie. It can never be that CBS were merely misled. CBS can never use the phrase "unimpeachable source" again because we will not be able to tell if they are just stiffening their coverup. Don't let CBS off the hook. They are compromised.

20 posted on 09/21/2004 5:03:35 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: notkerry

This DU's rant is what is wrong with the democrats politics today. Most dem's aren't lunatics they just have a different point of view. Guys like this is why you see W's numbers up. They don't want to be associated with these off-the-wall morons who see a new conspiracy behind every negative screw up in their campaign. That's the biggest problem I see with thier philosiphy. It's never their own fault it has to be ours(Republicans)!


21 posted on 09/21/2004 5:05:52 AM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (CBS is sending a trial balloon.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
The only repair for this is to rescind the CBS networks FCC broadcast license for one year as a warning to other "news" networks that collusion and patent dishonesty is not protected freedom of speech.
22 posted on 09/21/2004 5:10:40 AM PDT by hford02 (I'm gonna have my son's name changed to Zell.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Also, what's up with Burkett saying he burned, in the Kinko's parking lot, the copies of the documents given to him by Lucy Rameriz? Not believable.

Are you sure he didn't say Lucy Ricardo.

23 posted on 09/21/2004 5:12:47 AM PDT by mc5cents ("We will have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: notkerry

Boy, this bus ride's getting bumpy! I think there's another Democrat lodged in the undercarriage...


24 posted on 09/21/2004 5:15:08 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...)
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To: mc5cents
I just had a thought. Help me out here a little.

Doesn't Burkett sell bulls? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217752/posts

So wouldn't it make perfect sense for him to go to a cattle show? So, doesn't it appear that some one that asked to meet him at a Houston cattle show knew him?

Just sort of odd if a total stranger called me, after seeing me on tv the night before, he/she would know my interests.

25 posted on 09/21/2004 5:18:40 AM PDT by FarmerW
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To: FarmerW
I just had a thought. Help me out here a little.

So your idea is that Mystery Person just sees Burkett on TV - at no time in this TV interview is mentioned Burkett's interest in bulls. Surprising then, that Mystery Person comes up with such a slick spy-perfect way of meeting Burkett at cattle show.

Yes, good thought.

26 posted on 09/21/2004 5:33:03 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: notkerry

If the source is "unimpeachable" it can only refer to one individual ... the one who couldn't be impeached.


27 posted on 09/21/2004 5:47:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: notkerry
Continue to let c-BS know that they are ethically challenged by consorting with the Kerry campaign and until they make it right by firing Dan Blather and Mary Mapes you will boycott their advertisers. The depth of the lies, deceit and Dan Blather's apology (for getting caught, not to the President or Killian's family or others hurt by his lies) goes too deep for c-BS to get off the hook on this one. Let the advertisers know how you feel. c-BS won't move on political pressure but money talks.
28 posted on 09/21/2004 5:48:19 AM PDT by kevinm13 (4 More Years!!)
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To: notkerry

Am I missing something here? CBS accepted Burkett's word on the "original" source of the documents? They then failed to interview the alleged original source, but accepted Burkett's story because Burkette said he got them from a good source? That doesn't pass the laugh test. Burkett was known to be "unstable" and why would you fail to go to the "real" source?


29 posted on 09/21/2004 5:54:07 AM PDT by Williams
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To: notkerry

It was the Kerry Campaign staff via the Democrat National Committee.


30 posted on 09/21/2004 5:56:06 AM PDT by sport
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
If the source is "unimpeachable" it can only refer to one individual ... the one who couldn't be impeached.

I like your thought if it is the slickmeister to whom you are referring. But I must point out that the slickmeister was impeached, but not convicted.

31 posted on 09/21/2004 6:14:08 AM PDT by mc5cents ("We will have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: notkerry
1. Rather's "unimpeachable source" could not have been Burkett, because Burkett's credibility problem and grudge against Bush were well known.

2. It probably wasn't Cleland either. Although Cleland is highly placed, Cleland himself would not have been in a position to know what Killian believed.

3. Therefore it seems clear that CBS is still covering up something very important about this story.

4. In addition, its likely the Democrats are also concealing their own activities vis-a-vis this matter. They probably had low-level investigators working this story, and these people were probably in contact with CBS. The "unimpeachable source" was probably contacted by these people.

5. IMHO, Burketts current story about the anonymous phone call sounds like complete BS. CBS's apparent willingness not to press Burkett on this or release any additional details about what CBS knew and when CBS knew it seems also to show that CBS is still covering up important informtation about this case.

32 posted on 09/21/2004 6:15:32 AM PDT by dano1
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To: counterpunch
"There is no "Lucy Ramirez". Burkett invented her to try to escape forgery charges"

Right. But Burkett on his own could not have sold this story to CBS. Burkett must have had help. Rather as much as confirmed this by saying he had an "unimpeachable source" backing up Burkett.

So CBS still has to be hiding their second source.

33 posted on 09/21/2004 6:25:17 AM PDT by dano1
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To: mc5cents

You're absolutely right, and I knew that. But it's not the validity of the facts so much as the point of the accusation that counts. I learned that from Dan Rather!


34 posted on 09/21/2004 6:30:12 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: notkerry
In identifying Burkett as a member of the TANG Rather was lying right out of the box the other day.
35 posted on 09/21/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: notkerry
"Burkett also says that, before the encounter with Scribner, he was standing with a group of Guard officers, and heard a ranking officer order Scribner to review the Bush file and remove any documents that might be embarrassing to the then-governor."

Oh yeah, I'm sure this would have been said with earshot of a group of people. NOT!! So who are all these Guard officers Bill? Why haven't they come forward to support your claims?

36 posted on 09/21/2004 10:24:29 AM PDT by mass55th (It's the superscript, stupid!!!!)
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To: Rockingham
Burkett's story has many flaws, but to me, the fatal one is that he claims, with other National Guard officers also present, to have overheard an order to sanitize Bush's file. No one with even an elementary level of sense would give such an illegal order with witnesses present.

Exactly!

I also find it highly unlikely that someone having just stolen files to scrub clean the TANG records of GWB, would have thrown them in the trash can in the very office they just stole them from.

37 posted on 09/21/2004 10:51:33 AM PDT by RJL
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