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Breaking: Not first time for Mary Mapes
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Posted on 09/21/2004 3:06:46 PM PDT by Travimoto

KVI Seattle's John Carlson is breaking a story about Mary Mapes...she did something like this at KIRO TV in '87...Carlson telling story now live


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
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1 posted on 09/21/2004 3:06:47 PM PDT by Travimoto
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To: Travimoto

Post what you hear..


2 posted on 09/21/2004 3:08:21 PM PDT by Dog (Jammies Up!!!!!)
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To: Travimoto

Well?......


3 posted on 09/21/2004 3:08:26 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Travimoto

please expand on wtf you talking about?


4 posted on 09/21/2004 3:08:46 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Travimoto

what is a mary mapes?


5 posted on 09/21/2004 3:10:08 PM PDT by steplock
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To: Travimoto

More, please!


6 posted on 09/21/2004 3:10:14 PM PDT by Reynolds
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To: steplock
what is a mary mapes?

CBS producer who was go between for Burkett and Lockhart.

7 posted on 09/21/2004 3:11:09 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Travimoto
she did something like this at KIRO TV in '87

Fabricated a story to try and unseat a successful Republican president and instill a Massachusetts liberal?

8 posted on 09/21/2004 3:11:38 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I think we're going to find out that Dan Rather/CBS hired a hard-left political activist with psychological issues as a producer for national news, and turned her loose to follow her bliss. Just a guess.

(steely)

9 posted on 09/21/2004 3:11:40 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: South40

LOL, probably just fabricated a story to bring down a Republican.

I hope we get more details. I won't be one bit surprised.


10 posted on 09/21/2004 3:13:07 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dianna

A female specimen disowned by her own father who recently said some very harsh things about her. She is extreme left and a hard core feminist (think in terms of Patricia Ireland x4!). A despicable woman by all means!


11 posted on 09/21/2004 3:13:39 PM PDT by Diogenes
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To: SauronOfMordor

200 raids of crackhouses before 1 went wrong.
Erdman Baskin's door was knocked upon by police who busted door & went through. Erdman holds up a black object. Policeman kills him. It was a remote control. Baskin was black; officer was white. Everyone was on edge, etc.
30 to 60 days later there was an inquest. Did the police shoot too soon, etc.? Were people traumatized? etc.
As the inquest went on, all sorts of political ill will was created.
Pyro TV aired a story called "A Shot in the Dark" which was produced by Mary Mapes. At the 11th Hour, as the inquest was going, a witness came forward named Wardell Fincher who claimed police did not knock, but just burst through door and murdered Baskin. It made a tense situation worse. No one had seen this witness before, etc. He was featured in the story by Mary Mapes and influencing direction of the inquest itself.
NEXT, directly parallelling 60 minutes,........aaarrhhhh break to commercial........


12 posted on 09/21/2004 3:13:58 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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To: Travimoto
I understand the Bush Campaign's reticence in pursuing a criminal investigation (as I understand it, the Abilene PD won't pursue charges without a complainant) but I hope come November 3rd, there is a thorough criminal investigation.
13 posted on 09/21/2004 3:14:18 PM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: Steely Tom

Other reporters surmise that Mapes probably passed along Burkett's number to Lockhart in fulfillment of a bargain she cut with him to receive the documents. Doesn't excuse her behavior in the least, just explains some of it.


14 posted on 09/21/2004 3:14:21 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: Dianna

A female specimen disowned by her own father who recently said some very harsh things about her. She is extreme left and a hard core feminist (think in terms of Patricia Ireland x4!). A despicable woman by all means!


15 posted on 09/21/2004 3:14:38 PM PDT by Diogenes
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To: steplock

A Mary Mapes is a Producer for 60 Minutes at the Corrupt Broadcasting Service.


16 posted on 09/21/2004 3:14:40 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I'm sure I've mispelled some things up there.


17 posted on 09/21/2004 3:14:48 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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To: steplock; All

Mary Mapes is the CBS producer who contacted the Kerry campaign on behalf of Bill Burkett, and asked them to contact him--which was his condition for giving the forged memos to CBS.


18 posted on 09/21/2004 3:15:00 PM PDT by Terpfen (Wanted: Laura Ingraham's infamous miniskirt picture. Links welcomed!)
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To: Diogenes

She's a woman? Quick! Get a Burka for her!


19 posted on 09/21/2004 3:15:04 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (The plural for RAT, is RATS, not RATICS)
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To: Travimoto
Her father sure publicly harshed on her the other day.
20 posted on 09/21/2004 3:15:25 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: hispanarepublicana

"I'm sure I've mispelled some things up there."

I'm sure "if" you did someone will be along shortly to let you know.


21 posted on 09/21/2004 3:16:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Dianna
CBS producer who was go between for Burkett and Lockhart.

She was also the producer of Danny boy's 1988 slander of Vietnam veterans called "The Wall Within". They used fake 'veterans' and were exposed by B.G. Burkett and ABC's 20/20. ABC won a Cine award for their show.

22 posted on 09/21/2004 3:16:55 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Steely Tom
Rush reported today that Mapes' own father back in Seattle said she was, in essence, nuts. Something like "she's gone off the deep end with all this liberalism and entered journalism in college in order to promote a radical feminist agenda," to paraphrase.
23 posted on 09/21/2004 3:17:07 PM PDT by 101st-Eagle
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gotta go. someone get online & takover!


24 posted on 09/21/2004 3:18:07 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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To: Just mythoughts

That all depends upon what the meaning of the word 'if' is....


25 posted on 09/21/2004 3:20:57 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: Bob

Not the same B Burkett, I surmise?


26 posted on 09/21/2004 3:24:46 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Travimoto

Mary Mapes: A bush lover and a Bush hater.

27 posted on 09/21/2004 3:28:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Endeavor
Not the same B Burkett, I surmise?

No, this one is B.G. (Jug) Burkett, author of "Stolen Valor", a book that told the truth about Vietnam veterans. It's an awesome read.

28 posted on 09/21/2004 3:31:33 PM PDT by Bob
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To: fso301

She's going to be served up on a silver platter pretty soon. CBS will try to obfuscate and delay, via the appointment of a independent panel to look into the whole mess, and do it after the elections so as not to cause itself any further embarassment and basically admit to collusion with the Kerry camp.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's put on a sabbatical, or something like that.


29 posted on 09/21/2004 3:31:44 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: BigKahuna

"Mapes probably passed along Burkett's number to Lockhart"

Someone pointed out (maybe it was Rush, maybe it was here) that that just doesn't make sense. Burkett (whatever his manifest failings and flaws) was a pretty involved Dem activist. As the person put it:he knew the people, who knew the people who could put him in touch with the Kerry campaign. If he actually gives $$ I'm sure this is true.

There's a lot more dirt that is going to come out on this.


30 posted on 09/21/2004 3:32:31 PM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: jocon307

You're right. I'm just saying that the jackals have started eating each other now, and that everybody (known and unknown at this point) is aggressively trying to cover their own backsides. Basically, throwing each other "under the bus", so to speak :-)


31 posted on 09/21/2004 3:38:08 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: hispanarepublicana
At the 11th Hour, as the inquest was going, a witness came forward named Wardell Fincher who claimed police did not knock, but just burst through door and murdered Baskin. It made a tense situation worse. No one had seen this witness before, etc. He was featured in the story by Mary Mapes and influencing direction of the inquest itself.

And let me guess - he was just some guy who knew absolutely nothing about the case, and was a fraud, a plant, and was "used" by Mary Mapes to further her agenda against the SPD. Am I close? I also bet she was REALLY furious when the police were exhonerated, right?

32 posted on 09/21/2004 3:41:07 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: jocon307

Message # 12 (Aug 21): I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday
after having to threaten to whip a little ass in order to get through seven
layers
of bureaucratic kids trying to get a job after the election. I talked with
Max Clelend.

I hope he got the message, but even if he did, I'm not sure that his side of
the issue can beat out the other half of the advisors. And that's a problem.

http://ratherbiased.com/


33 posted on 09/21/2004 3:41:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: GaltMeister

What's scary is that 10 or 15 years ago, CBS would've gotten away with it. Before the advent of the internet, talk radio and 24 hour news channels, the Big 3 (ABC, NBC, CBS) controlled, for better or worse, the content of news that was broadcast to the public.

On the newspaper side, the New York Times, Boston Globe and L.A. Times had the same sort of oligarchistic power. After all, who would've been there to challenge their suppositions?


34 posted on 09/21/2004 3:42:57 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: Chad Fairbanks
The finsh is . . . that it turns out after Mapes' story caused a huge uproar that there was a reporter and a photographer with the police that night and they contradict the witness and back up the cops' story.

The reporter says that the "witness" wasn't actually a witness at all but a drunk who stumbled up after the incident and asked what happened. So Mapes' cheif witness in this story, that caused a huge uproar, was thouroughly discredited - and the talk show host draws a parrelel to Burkett.

35 posted on 09/21/2004 3:44:46 PM PDT by Catphish
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To: zip

ping


36 posted on 09/21/2004 3:51:25 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: BigKahuna

What is even scarier is that if they had the good sense to use a typewriter for their forgery, they would have gotten away with it THIS time.


37 posted on 09/21/2004 3:51:58 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (John Kerry has more positions than the Kama Sutra.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Does anyone really believe in the existence of an unknown citizen named Lucy Ramirez, btw? Jeez....for a senior office in the Guard, this guy Burkett seems to be dumber than a New York Democrat :-)


38 posted on 09/21/2004 3:58:43 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: BigKahuna

Apparently Dan Rather believes.


39 posted on 09/21/2004 3:59:35 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (John Kerry has more positions than the Kama Sutra.)
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To: Catphish

I was close ;0)


40 posted on 09/21/2004 4:01:49 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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To: TN4Liberty

Well, he also still believes that the documents are not forged. Just that they cannot be proven authentic to the high standards of CBS journalistic practice.


41 posted on 09/21/2004 4:03:17 PM PDT by BigKahuna
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To: BigKahuna

What's scary is that 10 or 15 years ago, CBS would've gotten away with it. Before the advent of the internet, talk radio and 24 hour news channels, the Big 3 (ABC, NBC, CBS) controlled, for better or worse, the content of news that was broadcast to the public.

The natural question then becomes, WHAT ELSE DID THEY FOIST
OFF ON US?


42 posted on 09/21/2004 4:07:00 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Which station was it that called the Florida Election before
the polls closed in the panhandle?


43 posted on 09/21/2004 4:08:48 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

"The natural question then becomes, WHAT ELSE DID THEY FOIST
OFF ON US?"

The Clinton presidency for one!


44 posted on 09/21/2004 4:20:51 PM PDT by Burf
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To: steplock
Here ya go, read all about it.

Entertainment 09/21/2004 17:19:49 EST DAVID J. PHILLIP/AP Photo CBS Producer on Thin Ice After Guard Story By DAVID BAUDER AP Television Writer

NEW YORK - The fallout from CBS's doomed story about President Bush's National Guard service most endangers a woman few viewers know but who played a key role in two of the biggest television stories of the year.

Mary Mapes, a veteran producer at CBS News, reported most of the National Guard story, including obtaining the documents CBS now says it can't authenticate. She also passed on the phone number of her source, former Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, to the Kerry campaign.

Mapes, 48, was described by colleagues on Tuesday as a dogged and talented journalist who made no secret of her liberal political beliefs.

She's only a few months removed from a career-defining highlight. Mapes took a story that had received little attention - the abuse of prisoners by American soldiers in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison - and unearthed the photos that gave the story its visceral impact.

"She pursued stories very aggressively always," said Jeff Fager, executive producer of "60 Minutes." "She definitely has an investigative sense. She was responsible for the bulk of the work on Abu Ghraib. That was her story."

The Dallas-based producer, who declined through a spokeswoman to talk with The Associated Press, also landed the first TV interviews with Strom Thurmond's biracial daughter and Hillary Rodham Clinton after her husband's impeachment. Mapes was almost jailed in 1999 for refusing a judge's order to turn over a videotape of Dan Rather's interview with a white man convicted of killing a black man by driving him behind a pickup truck.

She worked at Seattle's KIRO-TV before coming to CBS in 1989. In the "60 Minutes" tradition, producers like Mapes wield tremendous influence on the stories and operate with a great deal of independence - a status earned after many years of proving themselves, Fager said.

John Carlson, a former commentator at KIRO-TV who is host of a conservative radio talk show in Seattle, remembers Mapes as a talented producer with whom he often argued politics in the newsroom.

Mapes was "quite liberal" and disliked the current President Bush's father, he said.

"She definitely was someone who was motivated by what she cared about and definitely went into journalism to make a difference," Carlson said. "She's not the sort of person who went into journalism to report the news and offer an array of commentary."

Carlson spoke with Mapes about the National Guard story a week ago, and said that he believes she "put so much time into it that she wanted something to come of it."

"This was a woman with a good reputation," he said. "The mistakes she made were so obvious. This was a story that was rushed because they clearly believed it was true. They wanted it to be true."

Rather acknowledged Monday that Burkett didn't come to CBS. The network approached him about the documents, knowing he had been trying for several years to discredit President Bush's military service record, he said.

In a USA Today story, Burkett said he agreed to turn documents impugning Bush's service - widely considered now to be fake - over to CBS on the condition CBS would help arrange a conversation with the Kerry campaign. Burkett's lawyer, Gabe Quintanilla, said he could not immediately confirm that Tuesday.

CBS acknowledged Mapes passed on Burkett's number to Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart, and Lockhart called him. Spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said CBS wasn't aware that this was part of any deal, but it's one of the things that will be examined by an independent commission CBS will soon appoint to look into the incident.

"It is obviously against CBS News standards and those of every other reputable news organization to be associated with any political agenda," Edwards said.

It had to be tempting: get key documents you've long been seeking to nail down a story, and all you had to do was set up a phone call.

Still, it's a lapse in journalistic ethics if true, said Marvin Kalb, senior fellow at Harvard University's Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy.

"Journalists do all kinds of odd things these days to get a news story," Kalb said, "but one of the things they should not be doing is paying the price of a political contact."

It's particularly damaging when news coverage is being scrutinized by both sides of a bitter political divide, said Frank Sesno, former CNN Washington bureau chief and professor at George Mason University. Even before this story, Rather and CBS News were targets of groups concerned about an anti-Republican bias in the media.

The Lockhart contact "is going to cast more doubt on not just the practices, but the motives behind the story," Sesno said.

"She's done many, many solid stories in her career," Fager said. "How this went so horribly wrong is a mystery to many of us and I like forward to hearing the details."

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Return to Top Stories WebMarket.com out it

45 posted on 09/21/2004 4:27:58 PM PDT by metalurgist (Death to the democrats!)
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To: Travimoto

for those who missed it...he'll go over the details again at 5pm PST....you can listen online at KVI.com


46 posted on 09/21/2004 4:28:29 PM PDT by Travimoto
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To: tet68

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/10/politics/main248524.shtml

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/c2k/pdf/REPFINAL.pdf


47 posted on 09/21/2004 4:30:11 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: TN4Liberty

"What is even scarier is that if they had the good sense to use a typewriter for their forgery, they would have gotten away with it THIS time."

Yes, but the silver lining to that cloud is, it re-afirms my belief that if I only had a modicum of artistic talent I could have been a pretty decent forger.

(But I would never work for the enemy!)


48 posted on 09/21/2004 4:34:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: Travimoto

bump


49 posted on 09/21/2004 4:35:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: BigKahuna
She's going to be served up on a silver platter pretty soon.

Yes, but as for most Democratic/Socialist criminals...this ia good
career move.

She'll be the Che Guevara of the womens/lesbian groups.
And then it's on to a book/movie deal, a professorial post at a major university, etc.

That's the track record for too many folks who came out of the Weatherman Underground,
The Dukakis Campaign, The Clinton Administration, and other Democratic/Socialist
RICO operations.
50 posted on 09/21/2004 4:39:04 PM PDT by VOA
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