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A moment, not a revolution (Free Republic in first sentence!)
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | September 22, 2004 | Ben Wasserstein

Posted on 09/22/2004 5:56:48 AM PDT by 2banana

Edited on 09/22/2004 6:52:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Early morning last Sept. 11, a poster on the conservative Free Republic Web site exulted, "[A]ll of us can say we were there when a few people from Free Republic kicked CBS and Kerry ass."

The John Kerry part may or may not come to pass, but there is little doubt that a few people using their computers certainly gave CBS News and anchor Dan Rather a beating. Right-wing blogs and forums such as Power Line, Little Green Footballs, and Free Republic were the first to question the authenticity of four memos released by CBS News, purportedly written by Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who supervised George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard unit in the early 1970s. The memos were part of a 60 Minutes story reported by Rather, questioning President Bush's fulfillment of his Guard service. The buzz created by the blogs became deafening, and the story moved like lightning onto the Drudge Report, and from there to talk radio, cable news and newspapers' front pages - and it's not over yet. On Monday, CBS said it could not prove that the memos were authentic and that it should not have used them. Bloggers cheered that the new-media David had slain the old-media Goliath.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
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It is the death of the old time media, especially old time liberal print newspapers like the Philadelphia Inquirer...
1 posted on 09/22/2004 5:56:48 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: 2banana

Freeper pajamarazzi rule!


2 posted on 09/22/2004 5:58:37 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: 2banana

OLe' Ben just doesn't get it. MSM we are constantly looking over your liberal shoulder!


3 posted on 09/22/2004 6:00:26 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: 2banana

I think bloggers are now the unofficial media police that will force MSM to follow ethical reporting practices. We still need them to break the stories for us to dissect though.


4 posted on 09/22/2004 6:00:47 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: 2banana

So is old Ben throwing down the gaunlet?


5 posted on 09/22/2004 6:03:03 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather, "I lied, but I lied about the truth".)
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To: 2banana
A moment, not a revolution

"Tis but a scratch."

6 posted on 09/22/2004 6:04:21 AM PDT by lowbridge (I wouldn't want to be a liberals caps lock key on election day)
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To: 2banana

"But it has been a moment, not a revolution."

Look for more "moments" in your future. However, if the MSM cleans up its act and begins to report accurately and cover all viable sides of issues and positions (without burying the "other" point of view or fact on page 28, or in the last paragraphs), and at least tries to set aside their own biases, they can serve the function they were supposed to be serving all along and can survive and thrive.


7 posted on 09/22/2004 6:04:28 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: 2banana

"But it has been a moment, not a revolution."

In a way, he's right. The revolution started years ago. Arguably, by Reed Irvine and Accuracy in Media (I used to read it in the early 70's).


8 posted on 09/22/2004 6:05:20 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: 2banana
Ol' Wasserstein fills his word count with a number of false assertions and the results thereof:

Ol' Ben changes the assertions to make blogs the replacement for reporting. In truth, it simply counters the bias and up-to-now unanswerable issuance of media edicts that the elites declare are a reflection of reality.

His assertion that only the big media can gather facts is, to some degree, true-- bloggers don't have the resources of major news groups. But the Old Media are no longer the gatekeepers to the Garden of Truth, and are nowhere near the final say on matters, and when they try to be they can be countered by the new 'open-source journalism.'

9 posted on 09/22/2004 6:06:43 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: 2banana; tractorman; Teflonic
Blogs have not been a place to go for original reporting or breaking news.

Memo to Wasserman: And Drudge Himself was a blogger in the beginning, and look what HE did to your impeached rapist Marxist icon.

I hope the term, "Pajamarazzi", takes off like a delta-wing fighter! If the MSM hasn't had its death-knell, then at least it's on life support - US.

10 posted on 09/22/2004 6:06:43 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: 2banana
Blogs have not been a place to go for original reporting or breaking news.

Riiigghhtt.
I know when I want up to the second news, I always turn off the computer, go to the store and buy a newspaper!
ROTFIMPLMBO!
(Rolling on the floor in my pajamas laughing my butt off!)
12 posted on 09/22/2004 6:07:43 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: 2banana
Think of last month's spurious attacks on Kerry's military service in Vietnam. Though decried by lefty bloggers, the charges were not adequately debunked until newspapers such as the Washington Post and Chicago Tribune reaped the reward from Freedom of Information Act searches of decades-old military records and published eyewitness testimonials. Old-fashioned reporting won that round.

What was debunked? If a single charge is debunked, does that make the dozens of other claims invalid?

I keep hearing the SBVT have been debunked....but I have not personally heard the evidence. Can someone enlighten me?

13 posted on 09/22/2004 6:08:10 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: 2banana
Think of last month's spurious attacks on Kerry's military service in Vietnam. Though decried by lefty bloggers, the charges were not adequately debunked until newspapers such as the Washington Post and Chicago Tribune reaped the reward from Freedom of Information Act searches of decades-old military records and published eyewitness testimonials.

Is he talking about the Swifties? If so, can someone tell me what was debunked by the MSM? I don't recall them debunking a single one of the charges.

14 posted on 09/22/2004 6:11:36 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: 2banana
Think of last month's spurious attacks on Kerry's military service in Vietnam.

Crimony. These hacks can't get it. If they wouldn't do liberal editorializimg in news articles, we wouldn't exist.
15 posted on 09/22/2004 6:13:43 AM PDT by self_evident
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To: Ditto

Heh. Guess I should have read the thread. We even highlighted the same words.


16 posted on 09/22/2004 6:15:12 AM PDT by self_evident
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To: 2banana
and it will surely not be the last.

oops reality slipped in to his piece.

17 posted on 09/22/2004 6:17:25 AM PDT by marty60
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To: 2banana

Part of this is nothing more than life support for the MSM.

CBS et al could always act with impunity because the only feedback was from other MSM in their leftist culture.

Now the right is watch and PARTICIPATING.

IOW: The watchmen have watchmen.


18 posted on 09/22/2004 6:17:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: Old Sarge

Yeah MSM will start stealing the Pajamarazzi opinions soon I'm sure. Once a story breaks all a reporter has to do is come here to get informed enough to compile the follow-up report.


19 posted on 09/22/2004 6:18:45 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: 2banana

Ben's still asleep and dreaming the Leftys' Dream. Matt Drudge explained it all several years ago, with excellent examples, in his brilliant address to the largely disbelieving and clueless National Press Club. Anyone with the wit to comprehend it got the message then.


20 posted on 09/22/2004 6:19:30 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: 2banana

Ummm... I missed the part where they proved that the attacks on Kerry's war records were spurious. Can someone please enlighten me? Thanks.


21 posted on 09/22/2004 6:21:16 AM PDT by Frapster (rope-a-dope)
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To: 2banana

Mr. Wasserstein, the point is not we win, you lose. So perhaps revolution is the wrong word. This IS about some of the principles liberals and conservatives espouse to cherish. Freedom. Equality. Words, and their power to enrage, convince, persuade and enlighten. So while this may not be a revolution in the classic sense, it DOES represent a major change. We, as citizens through the power of communication via the internet, daily, even hourly, express our doubts, hopes, ideas and most valuable- our questions. Sometimes, we can track down our own answers. We check one another for facts, validation, critisism. We are in an odd way, in partnership with "professionals" like yourself.

When we uncover facts of import, we share the information- openly. Since the MSM pays a great deal more attention to places like Free Republic nowadays- your reporting is sure to be richer and more in-depth- it has to be since we have the ability to research stories as well.

To my way of thinking, this is a marvelous civics lesson for us- and you. Rather than denigrate- you ought to celebrate.


22 posted on 09/22/2004 6:23:30 AM PDT by SE Mom
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To: Teflonic

Sort of like, "Freeper Echo Syndrome", right?


23 posted on 09/22/2004 6:24:03 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: TonyRo76

Pajamahadeen

That one is less frilly.


24 posted on 09/22/2004 6:25:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: 2banana

Remember that Philadelphia is the town where union thugs can beat up Freepers on the street and get away with the crime.

Zealot Presstitutes with names like Wasserstein have FReeper blood on their hands.


25 posted on 09/22/2004 6:28:49 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yes, "Pajamahadeen" has my vote, too.


26 posted on 09/22/2004 6:28:51 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: self_evident; NeonKnight
Neon Knigh hit the same thing as we did.

He just types faster than us. ;~))

BTW. I heard some Rat "spokesman" on Fox this morning commenting on the latest Swiftie Ad. He said F'n never had any contact with Hanoi Jane. If that's their party line, we can easily prove them to be liers.

He was in Detroit with her at Winter Solider. He was in DC with her and Ramsey Clark on the same "anti-war" (read pro-NVA) stage.

27 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:04 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Old Sarge
Sort of like, "Freeper Echo Syndrome", right? Exactly. Unfortunately they sometimes seem to think that DU is a reliable source as well.
28 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:11 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: 2banana
First, it's worth remembering how many other news stories - basically, er, all of them - have not been broken by the blogosphere. Think of last month's spurious attacks on Kerry's military service in Vietnam. Though decried by lefty bloggers, the charges were not adequately debunked until newspapers such as the Washington Post and Chicago Tribune reaped the reward from Freedom of Information Act searches of decades-old military records and published eyewitness testimonials. Old-fashioned reporting won that round.

Did I miss something? Have any of the old fashioned reporters demanded that Kerry sign the 180? Or are they just going to rely on the docs on Kerry's web site?

29 posted on 09/22/2004 6:31:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Teflonic
Yeah MSM will start stealing the Pajamarazzi opinions soon I'm sure. Once a story breaks all a reporter has to do is come here to get informed enough to compile the follow-up report.

It seems they've been doing that over at DU for years.

30 posted on 09/22/2004 6:34:05 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: 2banana

"ANYBODY WITH A MODEM CAN REPORT ON THE WORLD."
--Matt Drudge, before the hostile National Press Club in 1998.

View the text of his address to that august body here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000815053701/www.frontpagemag.com/archives/drudge/drudge.htm


31 posted on 09/22/2004 6:34:10 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Savor the present as the days of Kerry's whine and poses. It'll be a nice memory when you are old.)
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To: Ditto

He doesn't mention SBVT specifically. To my knowledge, not one word of "Unfit For Command" has been debunked. But certainly some of it has in fact been confirmed (Christmas in Cambodia, self in flicted wounds for two of the three purple hearts, etc.)

The Navy did conclude that proper procedures were followed. But this finding does not address the questions raised by the SBVT. It's kind of the opposite of the forged CBS memos. In this case the documents are real, but the content is fake.

Of course the question of did Kerry deserve the medals is only half the story, and not the most serious half at that. Kerry's treason after he returned from Vietnam is irrefutable.

Kerry has still not signed form 180, and as we all know, he never will.


32 posted on 09/22/2004 6:34:48 AM PDT by planekT
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To: 2banana

33 posted on 09/22/2004 6:34:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think)
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To: 2banana
It's the end of the world as they know it, and I feel fine :)
34 posted on 09/22/2004 6:36:08 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: NeonKnight
I keep hearing the SBVT have been debunked....but I have not personally heard the evidence. Can someone enlighten me?

Same here...How can you debunk video clips of jfk (lower case intentional) from the early 70's?

35 posted on 09/22/2004 6:36:17 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: Frapster

You didn't miss a thing. This hack is simply engaging in the time honored practice of low-level lying to provide material support and reference for high-level lying later on - with footnotes, of course!

Take your pick of the standard J-school styles in MSM:

1. LIES!
2. MORE LIES!
3. EVEN MORE LIES!
4. NEW AND IMPROVED LIES!
5. NOW WITH 25% MORE LIES FOR THE SAME PRICE!
6. PREMIUM CLASSIC DELUXE LIES!


36 posted on 09/22/2004 6:41:00 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Savor the present as the days of Kerry's whine and poses. It'll be a nice memory when you are old.)
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To: 2banana
Well, Mr. Ben Wasserstein, you miss the point.

The point is, we are watching.

Rather and Co tried to pull off a scam, a hoax, a fake report. Bloggers caught them. Not investigative reporters, not MSM journalists. No, it was interested citizens who now have the capability to scrutinize without the MSM filters.

The point is, Mr. Wasserstein, we are watching. Have a good day.
37 posted on 09/22/2004 6:41:39 AM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: planekT

They also forget that the internet has been a home for groups like the Swiftvets. You can see their ads and even tell more to see it.

It also bypasses fundraisers.

Basically the MSM does not have the power to block stories any more.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 6:42:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: 2banana
We'll never replace the MSM because we don't cover the news. We don't have camera crews or White House correspondents.

But we do have more resources than any news organization. We have thousands of people who are experts in their respective fields who can challenge anything that is incorrect in MSM reporting. The Blogosphere collectively has millions of them.

What's new is that there is a place to express those opinions that can be viewed by virtually everyone on the planet.

It's instant feedback.

Would the AP have ever corrected its bogus story about the Bush supporters booing the news of Clinton's heart scare had not this forum existed? Absolutely not.

What the mainstream media needs to understand is that the new media is not out to destroy them. They should view us as part of the news process, another set of eyes. If they truly care about getting the story right, of reporting accurately, then they should welcome constructive criticism. And if they don't welcome it, then their commitment isn't to honest journalism, but to some other agenda.

39 posted on 09/22/2004 6:44:31 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: 2banana
Take a look at the number of new signups Free Republic has received since 60 Minutes aired on 9/8/04:

FR Daily Stats

Week Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
2004.09.20 286 331 not available
2004.09.13 280 329 367 390 369 303 275
2004.09.06 203 201 169 249 277 345 242
2004.08.30 157 161 159 178 204 223 133


40 posted on 09/22/2004 6:47:42 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: 2banana
It is the death of the old time media, especially old time liberal print newspapers like the Philadelphia Inquirer...

It's the death of sloppy propaganda. It's the death of journalistic "mistakes" that always target conservatives. It's the death of the reign of brain-dead celebrity journalist. It's the death of easy liberal elitist positions pushed as objective journalism. But, it's not the death of the old time media.

41 posted on 09/22/2004 6:48:20 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: P-Marlowe
Once a story breaks all a reporter has to do is come here to get informed enough to compile the follow-up report. It seems they've been doing that over at DU for years.

So that's where reporters find all of their false witnesses!

42 posted on 09/22/2004 6:53:10 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Tooters
"Yes, "Pajamahadeen" has my vote, too."


I think "Pajamahadeen" makes us sound like a bunch of Muslims.
43 posted on 09/22/2004 6:53:21 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2banana
CBS UGLY STICK
44 posted on 09/22/2004 6:54:13 AM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: 2banana
In Philadelphia, nearly everybody does not read the Inquirer.
45 posted on 09/22/2004 6:54:37 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Temple Owl

ping


46 posted on 09/22/2004 6:54:55 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: dalereed

the -azzi name makes us sound frivolous like the paparazzi.

Pajama People is good too.


47 posted on 09/22/2004 6:56:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: meema

3 cheers for FR and Pajamaazzi{s}!


48 posted on 09/22/2004 6:57:45 AM PDT by meema
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To: bmwcyle

Peter Jennings in a beanie hat! LOL!


49 posted on 09/22/2004 6:58:44 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe ( MSM, We are watching you......)
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To: 2banana
Think of last month's spurious attacks on Kerry's military service in Vietnam.

Dinosaur Media (DM) lurkers consider this:

If 250 former Texas Air National Guard comrades of Dubya signed affidavits saying he was a craven liar and complete incompetent would you have ignored the story? No fn' way.

Notice how I spelled out Texas Air National Guard. I'm really expecting DMers to read this.

50 posted on 09/22/2004 7:01:21 AM PDT by Tribune7
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