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1 posted on 09/22/2004 10:06:52 AM PDT by Area Freeper
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"A nuclear device going off in any large city around the globe is going to kill millions of people," she said.

This is just exaggerated BS. Unless the terrorist got a hold of a megaton-sized city-buster (I highly doubt they could build a thermnuclear fission weapon), the numbers would be far less than this. It would be awful, but not millions.

2 posted on 09/22/2004 10:10:21 AM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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4 posted on 09/22/2004 10:16:40 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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"Holgate said a problem in making sure that nuclear materials are not lying where terrorists can get them is that there is "lack of acceptance" within the Russian government that "their material is not adequately secured and that there is a relationship between terrorism and these materials."

Holgate might have also mentioned the "lack of acceptance" within our own government and institutions that have been importing chicoms and middle easterners for decades as exchange scientists and workers at our national labs and universities in the spirit of "globalism" and "new world orderism". The "pinheads" and "bee bee brains" in whom we have entrusted the security of what should have been highly classified technology have been passing it out like halloween candy for decades. When compounded with eight years of the "failed" clinton presidency total lack of national security measures and I'd estimate we're in a lot of trouble.

6 posted on 09/22/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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Thank god there is no way these terrorists can penetrate our borders!



Oh, wait...........................


18 posted on 09/22/2004 11:00:11 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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"The economic damage can be in the trillions (of dollars) and it can also be global," she said.

Every time I hear about economy being the center of John F. Kerry campaign, I think about that statement. That's where wrong foreign policy would double-cross any populist gimmicks he sells to lumpen-proletariat class in this country.
19 posted on 09/22/2004 11:00:59 AM PDT by Neocon Shavuz
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A nuclear attack on an American city will cause a world wide economic crash. This will lead to ethnic warfare in Europe. Muslims will be persecuted on a scale not seen since Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews.

The UN will cease to exist.
Israel will conquer the mideast.
Japan will become allied with South Korea and conquer the north. China will be defeated by Taiwan with US and Russian help.

The world will be completely changed, but not in the way Islam prays for.


21 posted on 09/22/2004 11:02:50 AM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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If you like Tom Clancy books, The Sum of all Fears is a great book about jihadistan getting thier hands on a nuke and bringing it to the US. I refused to watch the movie due to the major plot change from arab terrorists to white supremists (or whatever non-arab group hollywierd changed it to.)

32 posted on 09/22/2004 11:15:53 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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49 posted on 09/22/2004 12:01:05 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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51 posted on 09/22/2004 12:06:49 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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A trained nuclear engineer using material the size of an orange could build an atomic bomb to fit into a van, proliferation expert Laura Holgate said,

Oh? Proliferating something for sure.

53 posted on 09/22/2004 12:09:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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75 posted on 09/22/2004 1:09:51 PM PDT by DocRock (Why don't the RNC protesters come down here and help clean up after Charley and Frances?)
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88 posted on 09/22/2004 1:42:28 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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So, would Bush then issue a press release indicating "regret" that a "religion of peace" could support such things?

Or would he finally start leveling mosques-full of Moo terrorists, without worrying about bad PR?

89 posted on 09/22/2004 1:46:15 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Good post.

I think tracking nuclear material is possible and we have technologies that make it very difficult to move those materials.

What concerns me is that "device" which the North Koreans exploded last week which left a 2.5 mile mushroom cloud and no nuclear signiture!

I read the tin foil sites because in the pre-911 Rumsfeld's Rules, there was one that said "Hire Paranoids - They have a high rate of failure, but the uncover almost all conspiracies" . They are calling that device a Plasma bomb - a new level of destruction and portablilty. Perhaps it was something akin to the Red Mercury device that the Soviets produced.

98 posted on 09/22/2004 2:17:20 PM PDT by paleocon patriarch (President Bush is a fighter - John Kerry is a TOMATO CANdidate)
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"A nuclear device going off in any large city around the globe is going to kill millions of people," she said.

A truck sized-bomb would most likely be a 10 KT bomb, similar to what we unleashed on Hiroshima and Nakasaki. Many of those structures in those cities were made of wood. The fireball killed many times more people then the center where everything vaporized for 200 yards.

Most of the buildings in any major metros of the USA are steel and concrete. The likely death rate probably would be about the same because of population density at the time of blast. However, I would think the cancer casualties caused by radiation over a decade would be very high, possibly into a million, but I am no expert.

The combined death rate and psychological effects would certainly throw our country into a major economic depression. It's not pretty and this event is now highly likely.

My biggest concern is that besides FEMA, we have no civilian defense plans. I had an idea for a private sector civilian-defense network called Patriot Alert. If the goverment collapsed for such a reason or any reason for that matter, it is up to "we the people" to rebuild and defend ourselves. Feel free to email me if any of you Freepers had similar ideas. Casualties in this war have to be expected. Not preparing at all for the worst is just foolish. I like the saying "better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it".


119 posted on 09/22/2004 4:21:41 PM PDT by quant5
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"A truck size is probably a more relevant size," since such a bomb could be made with lower levels of HEU.

I don't think so. There's no point in loading up a truck with large masses of lower-enriched materials. There is a practical upper limit to the physical size of a fission weapon. Beyond a certain size, you simply can't assemble the reacting mass fast enough to achieve a high yield explosion. You get pre-detonation, and a fizzle. The reacting mass blows itself apart before you can assemble it into a highly supercritical assembly. The bigger the assembly, the worse the problem of pre-detonation is. Oppenheimer's group struggled mightily with this problem. Parasitic neutron absorption by 238U really kills the chance of making anything useful out of stuff below about 90% enrichment.

The things that really made compact warheads possible for this and other advanced countries was the availability of plutonium in quantity and the development of reflected, levitated cores. So now you need two things that are hard to come by, plutonium and highly efficient neutron reflectors (e.g., weapons-grade beryllium), and have to know how to do something that is hard to do (build a levitated core weapon using plutonium as the fuel and beryllium reflectors). While I know how to do it in principle (most people who understand nuclear physics and engineering do), I don't think I could be successful doing it even if I had the materials, at least not the first time out.

156 posted on 09/23/2004 11:41:53 AM PDT by chimera
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