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Despite Bush Flip-Flops, Kerry Gets Label
WashingtonPost ^ | 09/23/04 | John F. Harris

Posted on 09/22/2004 8:27:34 PM PDT by Pikamax

Despite Bush Flip-Flops, Kerry Gets Label

By John F. Harris Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 23, 2004; Page A01

One of this year's candidates for president, to hear his opposition tell it, has a long history of policy reversals and rhetorical about-faces -- a zigzag trail that proves his willingness to massage positions and even switch sides when politically convenient.

The flip-flopper, Democrats say, is President Bush. Over the past four years, he abandoned positions on issues such as how to regulate air pollution or whether states should be allowed to sanction same-sex marriage. He changed his mind about the merits of creating the Homeland Security Department, and made a major exception to his stance on free trade by agreeing to tariffs on steel. After resisting, the president yielded to pressure in supporting an independent commission to study policy failures preceding the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Bush did the same with questions about whether he would allow his national security adviser to testify, or whether he would answer commissioners' questions for only an hour, or for as long they needed.

Democrats working for John F. Kerry cite these twists and turns with glee -- but even more frustration. Polls have shown overwhelmingly that Kerry -- with his long trail of confusing and sometimes contradictory statements, especially on Iraq -- is this year's flip-flopper in the public mind, a criticism that continued to echo across the campaign trail yesterday.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: flipflop; kerry

1 posted on 09/22/2004 8:27:35 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Because Kerry is a metrosexual looser who is kept by that hag of a wife of his.

And bush is not any of those things.


2 posted on 09/22/2004 8:30:44 PM PDT by dinok
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To: Pikamax

Kerry Campaign Mascot:

(From King's Inn San Diego)

3 posted on 09/22/2004 8:31:04 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

(That's Sir Waffelot.)


4 posted on 09/22/2004 8:31:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: dinok

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

5 posted on 09/22/2004 8:31:50 PM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: Pikamax

I doubt the Democrats know how lame this is. As a kid it was called being a copy cat.


6 posted on 09/22/2004 8:32:42 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: Pikamax

Im sorry JK has the patent on FLIPPITY FLOP
w2004
ciao


7 posted on 09/22/2004 8:33:06 PM PDT by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE)
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To: Pikamax

...and in addition, some guy in Texas says Bush used to wear plad pants and now doesn't. Oh the humanities...

Doesn't this qualify for an in-kind contribution?


8 posted on 09/22/2004 8:34:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Pikamax

9 posted on 09/22/2004 8:34:41 PM PDT by End_Clintonism_Now (KERRY LIED..... P.O.W.'s DIED !!!!)
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To: Pikamax

What's Kerry's position on Iraq? Someone straighten me out please, cause I'm in the dark.


10 posted on 09/22/2004 8:34:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: italianquaker

11 posted on 09/22/2004 8:35:00 PM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: Pikamax

You know if these things the Post lists were significant, the Democrats would be flooding the airwave with spots on them.


12 posted on 09/22/2004 8:35:24 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Pikamax
''But it is important to see the contrast in approach between the two men: President Bush, a leader who is willing to stick with difficult decisions even as public opinion shifts, and John Kerry, whose record in elected office suggests a man who changes his position often even on important issues...

Yes, people in public office at times do change their minds, I've done that, or they realize they are wrong or circumstances change. But John Kerry has made it the rule to change his position, rather than the exception.'' --- Rudy Giuliani, August 24, 2004, GOP Convention


13 posted on 09/22/2004 8:35:29 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: Pikamax

This is a "Page 1" story!!!! It should be on the opinion page.


14 posted on 09/22/2004 8:36:20 PM PDT by ChipShot
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To: Pikamax

Washpost 'fishwrap' news is fit only for throwing out coffee grinds and other foul garbage. Like the NYT. Only these newspapers would try to label GWB with 'flip-flopping' because everybody knows that 'what you see is what you get' with Bush. He says what he means and means what he says.


15 posted on 09/22/2004 8:36:23 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Proud "Pajama Militia" Member)
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To: goldstategop

One thing's he's got the same position on: he was in Vietnam. (rolls eyes)

Did you know that? ;)


16 posted on 09/22/2004 8:37:17 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Be afraid, Hillary. Be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: vrwcagent0498

That's true. They say the Child Is Father To The Man. Kerry has found his way out of Mekong Delta only to get stranded in the Sands Of Iraq. The more things change, the more...


17 posted on 09/22/2004 8:40:09 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mike Bates

bttt


18 posted on 09/22/2004 8:41:02 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Pikamax

"Despite Rhonda gaining 5 lbs, it's Becky who gets labeled obese....(at 300 lbs)".


19 posted on 09/22/2004 8:42:21 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Pikamax
I so love the Washington Post.

They're trying to work up new things in the wastes of the CBS explosion.

Walk on wretched lefty press.

20 posted on 09/22/2004 8:42:30 PM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Only place Kerry has to go now is to the glue factory.)
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To: Pikamax
There is a very important difference here that the Democrats have, very didhonestly, ignored. President Bush may change his mind on some topics, yes, it is, however, after consultation with Congress, constituents, or commissions (notably 9/11).

Another difference, and in my mind the most crucial, he does not change his mind, daily, weekly, or depending on what group he is addressing.......as Mr. Kerry is wont to do!
21 posted on 09/22/2004 8:45:04 PM PDT by singfreedom ( Victory at all costs,......for without victory there is no survival.---Churchill)
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To: Pikamax
Best comment in the story is this one:

Stevens, who has been studying Kerry since advising then-Massachusetts Gov. William H. Weld (R) in an unsuccessful attempt to defeat the senator in 1996, said Kerry's very manner exacerbates the flip-flop impression: "He says these things with great condescension, [suggesting]: 'If only you were as smart as I and understand this that these issues are too complicated to have a consistent position.' . . . People have a good internal detector of the difference between nuance and confusion and opportunism."

22 posted on 09/22/2004 8:55:34 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Pikamax

The left trying to paint W as a flip-flopper comes across as a childish game of "I know you are, but what am I". If they want to play, they should at least try something original.


23 posted on 09/22/2004 8:57:11 PM PDT by kenth (Even John Kerry's recreation depends on which way the wind is blowing...)
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To: ChipShot
This is a "Page 1" story!!!! It should be on the opinion page.

Thank you. I was thinking the exact same thing.

24 posted on 09/22/2004 8:58:13 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: vrwcagent0498
I even heard he served 2 whole terms of duty there......long enough to make a self portrait movie, and use it to destroy our military's morale and cause the country to lose the war because of his lies that convinced the American people that Vietnam was not winable and a war we never should have engaged in in the first place. Does this sound familiar?


FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP, JOHN-JOHN, JOHN-JOHN

25 posted on 09/22/2004 9:00:09 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: singfreedom
Another difference, and in my mind the most crucial, he does not change his mind, daily, weekly, or depending on what group he is addressing.......as Mr. Kerry is wont to do!"


Here's how you can tell which direction kerry will turn.

26 posted on 09/22/2004 9:06:02 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Pikamax

Hey -- the Dems are welcome to try to label Bush as a flip-flopper (I know some already have). Let's see if it sticks.


27 posted on 09/22/2004 9:23:04 PM PDT by Gunder (Jenna's a good time, but Barbara is forever)
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To: Pikamax

Wastington Post.. BEWARE.... the pajama people come out at night too... There could be one right under you're bed right NOW... Hear a "rustling sound" do you, its probably the pajama people.. SLEEP LIGHTLY..


28 posted on 09/22/2004 9:34:27 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: goldstategop
As the Dallas Morning News put it in an editorial this morning:

Kerry says he's got one position on Iraq, as he draws yet one more line in the quicksand.

29 posted on 09/22/2004 9:38:34 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Pikamax

Thank goodness the Washington Times was brought back from publishing oblivion to give the nation's capital one decent newspaper.


30 posted on 09/22/2004 9:40:54 PM PDT by midftfan
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To: Mike Bates

Post #11 Pic Bump !!!

Thanks so much for the laugh !!!! IMHO, it's the BEST pic of F'n that I've seen yet !!!!


31 posted on 09/22/2004 9:47:09 PM PDT by musicman
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To: midftfan

First the "W is for wrong" approach. Now the "I know you are but what am I" approach. Jeez, what the hell is next, I am rubber your are glue. . . . .


32 posted on 09/22/2004 9:47:26 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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Flip-flopping does not mean you have changed positions. Flip-flopping means you have switched positions back and forth repeatedly. Bush has changed positions on some issues, but that is hardly the same thing. Kerry has taken one stand, then taken the opposite stand, then reverted back to the original stand. It is the back and forth, not the change, that establishes the flip-flop.

By definition, the fact Bush has positions he formerly opposed is not "flip-flopping." Not unless he went back to he former positions.


33 posted on 09/22/2004 9:52:20 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: FlipWilson

LOL! They only started that W for wrong after we said that the F John "F" Kerry's name was for Flip-Flop.


34 posted on 09/22/2004 9:55:15 PM PDT by AZ Rangers Wifey (Viva Bush! from Cochise County, AZ!)
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To: musicman

Thank you.


35 posted on 09/23/2004 4:11:39 AM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: Pikamax
Typical Post editorial dressed up as a news article.
Nothing to see here, move on.
36 posted on 09/23/2004 4:13:35 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Mike Bates
At the very least, since we do not know kerry's full military record, since he will not release it, lol, we DO know that kerry has several convictions that have somehow stayed with him ...

A great dedication to looking younger, bet he is getting his regular BOTOX injection, along with sexy teresa right about now...

And a great belief in high quality sports gear, outfits and vacation homes.

The man is so girlish it is breathtaking.

37 posted on 09/23/2004 4:16:28 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Republic
The man is so girlish it is breathtaking.


38 posted on 09/23/2004 4:18:49 AM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: Mike Bates

:^) Exactly!


39 posted on 09/23/2004 4:20:50 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Pikamax

the WaPo email edition headlined this story for maximally negative effect on the president, the partisan &*%$#@s:

TODAY'S HIGHLIGHTS
Despite Bush Flip-Flops, Kerry Wears the Label --
http://letters.washingtonpost.com/W8RT04414F3513529FB7F3F503EE60
The president has reversed his policy on issues ranging from free trade to same-sex
marriage over the past four years, but Democrats say their candidate is the only
one being caricatured as a flip-flopper.
(By John F. Harris, The Washington Post)


40 posted on 09/23/2004 9:19:31 AM PDT by smonk
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