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'Rathergate' marks big victory for bloggers (FR mentioned)
Livingston Parish News ^ | 9/23/04 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 09/23/2004 3:50:02 AM PDT by Libloather

Kathleen Parker: 'Rathergate' marks big victory for bloggers

The CBS mess variously known as "Forgerygate" or "Rathergate" is by any other name a seminal moment in the blogosphere that holds promise not only for revolutionizing journalism, but also perhaps for problem-solving on a global scale.

And why not?

Still in relative infancy, the blogosphere - that new galaxy within the journalism universe wherein citizen journalists known as bloggers (short for keepers of Web logs) chat among themselves through mutual links and commentary - has defined itself in large part as a vehicle for challenging the mainstream media (MSM).

Bloggers love fact-checking television and newspaper reporters and commentators, for instance, and have proved themselves both energetic and competent on both fronts.

They've been credited with challenges that led to the retirements of both Sen. Trent Lott as majority leader upon his waxing nostalgic for Strom Thurmond's good ol' Dixiecrat segregationist days and Howell Raines as editor of The New York Times following the Jason Blair debacle.

But the piece de resistance has occurred over the past several days as bloggers questioned the authenticity of documents CBS News presented allegedly proving that President George W. Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard.

This is where most sensible people start nodding off, but the larger drama of the Blogosphere v. CBS is sufficiently compelling to stay awake. What happened is perhaps familiar by now:

The documents CBS presented supposedly came from the personal files of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, which Killian supposedly typed more than 30 years ago. Rather and 60 Minutes II vouched for the authenticity of the documents, one of which claimed that a Texas Air National Guard squadron commander was trying to "sugarcoat" Bush's record.

Cumulative evidence produced primarily by the blogosphere suggests that the documents are forgeries and that Rather and CBS were duped in a political hoax.

Through the weekend, Rather was still sticking by his guns despite the fact that many of CBS's sources for the story have distanced themselves, while other news organizations have produced reports lending credence to the hoax theory.

Both Killian's son and widow, for example, say they doubt the memos are real, as Killian rarely typed. One of the sources CBS said would corroborate the charges said he was misled by the network.

All these discussions with the Killians and others took place after the blogosphere had worked its magic, beginning when freerepublic.com suggested the documents might not be real.

Such was the spark that began the flame that grew into the wildfire that became the conflagration that threatens to consign journalistic credibility to history's ash heap.

Fueling the fire in the earliest stages were most notably Power Line (powerlineblog.com) and Little Green Footballs (www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog), which ran the just-discovered memos through some simple tests to verify their authenticity.

Key to the unraveling of CBS's hyped documents, as bloggers pointed out, were the superscript 'th' and the Times New Roman font used in the alleged Killian memo, both of which seem to belong to a rather modern Microsoft Word default letter-writing program rather than a 1972-era typewriter.

Make that yet another victory for the nerds, but not nerds in pajamas, as former CBS executive Jonathan Klein said in an attempt to impugn bloggers.

"You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances (at '60 Minutes') and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing," said Klein.

The implication that bloggers are slacker dust bunnies has delighted bloggers, the best of whom are lawyers, professors, scientists, renegade journalists and techies of various sorts, such as the brothers Johnson (Charles and Michael) at "Little Green Footballs," whose years of experience in state-of-the-art graphics and Web design at the "pixel level" enabled them to quickly duplicate the CBS memos and demonstrate their likely origin on a very modern computer.

All of which brings me to my premise that the blogosphere isn't just a challenge to journalism in its currently stagnant state, but a potential boon to problem-solving of a higher order. The beauty of the blogosphere is that it is self-igniting, self-propelling and self-selecting, a sort of intellectual ecosystem wherein the best specimens from various disciplines descend from the ethers, converge on an issue and apply their unique talents.

Though virtually newborn, the blogosphere has blossomed exponentially in a matter of Earth-time seconds, from a few random voices to a mighty and diverse chorus of sometimes spectacular talent. Bloggers are the Big Bang of the Information Age.

It seems, therefore, not unreasonable to hope that as this new galaxy expands - with the best and brightest emerging as natural evolution commands - bloggers might apply their immense energy and collective intellect to solving an array of human problems.

Let's start with Iraq, shall we?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: big; bloggers; fr; free; kathleenparker; marks; rathergate; republic; victory
Let's start with Iraq, shall we?

Keep Effin' Kerry out of the White House...

1 posted on 09/23/2004 3:50:03 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

NOTE to old media scum, RATS, UN, RINO's and other assorted low lifes.....we are just getting warmed up!


2 posted on 09/23/2004 3:57:49 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Libloather
All these discussions with the Killians and others took place after the blogosphere had worked its magic, beginning when freerepublic.com

Remember this:

"It was amazing Thursday to watch the documents story go from FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy, to Drudge to the mainstream media in less than 12 hours," said Jim Jordan, a strategist for independent Democratic groups opposed to Bush.

LOL! Congrats to FR!

3 posted on 09/23/2004 3:59:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: Libloather
This has got to send Rather thru the roof to get scooped by BLOGGERS discovering those MEMO'S were fake. Not only does it show how incompetent he his, but outright bias.

Why should anyone believe what Rather reports anymore?

4 posted on 09/23/2004 4:02:14 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: beyond the sea

I'm a Right Wing Nut Job!


5 posted on 09/23/2004 4:05:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Libloather

In America's history there has always been a select chosen few who were able to tell America the truth. Our time has come and Rather cannot stand the fact that he was outdone and overmatched by someone who supports GWB on the web. The liberal media's time of mind control has come and gone. God Bless America!


6 posted on 09/23/2004 4:13:07 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: netmilsmom; bjcintennessee; PhilDragoo; Kitty Mittens; Nita Nupress; Cats Pajamas; NonValueAdded; ..
You know, that ex-VP Jon Klein, from CBS who first made the "pajamas" remark really started something here at FR with all of us enjoying the "pajama" joke.

With this quote ( "FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy") in post #3 by Jim Jordan ........ we ought to work on the "straight jacket"-"rubber room"-"lithium" angle! What do you think?

7 posted on 09/23/2004 4:15:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: Libloather
Bloggers are the Big Bang of the Information Age.

The computer (internet) was the Big Bang of the Information Age - Freepers and Bloggers are the Stars!

8 posted on 09/23/2004 4:19:44 AM PDT by slimer ("The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato)
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To: beyond the sea
FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy

Pajama clad folks

Well I guess they're admitting that a bunch of pajama wearing right wing looneys beat them at their own game, so what does that say about their own competence and intelligence, LOL!

All your bases are belong to us!

9 posted on 09/23/2004 4:24:08 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Libloather
"Let's start with Iraq, shall we?"

Keep Effin' Kerry out of the White House...

Yes; the pajama brigade is working on it....

10 posted on 09/23/2004 4:24:53 AM PDT by Rocko (Who forged the memos?)
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To: Libloather
And don't forget us average Americans, just wanting the TRUTH from those entrusted with imparting the news.

We don't want to be lied to, treated like we're too dumb to get ALL the information, and we certainly don't want to be treated as if we were willing dupes.

11 posted on 09/23/2004 4:25:29 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: beyond the sea
It was a very foolish intended-to-be-derogatory quip from Klein. What it says is that freepers work at jobs; and at night; they keep on working, even after hours, to keep America safe; honest, and free. Conversely, the elite within the Dem Party and their pals in the MSM only sport lies, are only willing to run risk, if they get paid.

That makes them: hacks in slacks.

12 posted on 09/23/2004 4:25:36 AM PDT by Alia
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To: slimer
So let's all send a thank you note to albore.

LOLOL, can't you just see it all now. Dear Al, don't know where we'd be with your invention!!!!!

13 posted on 09/23/2004 4:26:52 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: dawn53

My 16 year old thinks we should assume the motto of The Borg on Star Trek NG, for our blogging.

"We are The Blog..resistance is futile...you will be assimilated."

LOL!


14 posted on 09/23/2004 4:27:26 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Turn off that damn tractor beam.


15 posted on 09/23/2004 4:31:27 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: GLSchnJR
It's fun that the MSM is finally catching on, but some us remember a more primitive "blog" called alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater.

Remember Hitlery's "Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce"?

a.c-e.c.w was on top of the Lippo Group the minute it left Michael Chertoff's mouth, and much of that research found its way to the press.

Juanita Broderick was located through a.c-e.c.w.

a.c-e.c.w. was frequented by Chris Ruddy and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard as well as many other journalists. a.c-e.c.w. participants were in regular communication with members of the press and sometimes even with Congress. At least one Congressional bill (regarding the protection of the FBI's NCIC database from political use) was born specifically from a discussion that began on a.c-e.c.w.

Just to put things in historical perspective.

16 posted on 09/23/2004 4:33:14 AM PDT by angkor
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To: beyond the sea

"It was amazing Thursday to watch the documents story go from FreeRepublic.com, a bastion of right-wing lunacy, to Drudge to the mainstream media in less than 12 hours," said Jim Jordan, a strategist for independent Democratic groups opposed to Bush.

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Jim Jordan

Jim Jordan served as campaign manager for John Forbes Kerry for the U.S. presidential election, 2004 until November 10, 2003, when he was replaced by Mary Beth Cahill.[1]

Jordan, who had run Kerry's campaign "since it began last December", had "also worked in Kerry's Senate office in 1999 when Kerry was contemplating and then rejected a 2000 presidential bid."[2]

Jordan, "a well-known Democratic operative, was a spokesman for the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton. He also worked on the Senate committee that investigated political fund-raising scandals in the 1990s and the 1996 campaign that elected Tim Johnson of South Dakota to the Senate." Jordan is also the former head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.[3]


17 posted on 09/23/2004 4:35:35 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: angkor

Truth be told...there seem to be many conservative talk show hosts that do their show prep from Free Republic.


18 posted on 09/23/2004 4:36:06 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53
Well I guess they're admitting that a bunch of pajama wearing right wing looneys beat them at their own game, so what does that say about their own competence and intelligence, LOL!

Many of them in thew Old Lazy/Lying Media are so ill-informed that they're still calling FR a blog rather than a Bulletin Board.

Go figure.

19 posted on 09/23/2004 4:38:00 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: Alia
That makes them: hacks in slacks.

LOL! That's a keeper.

20 posted on 09/23/2004 4:39:41 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: Libloather

'Rathergate' marks big victory for truth.


21 posted on 09/23/2004 4:41:56 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: kcvl
Jim Jordan served as campaign manager for John Forbes Kerry for the U.S. presidential election, 2004 until November 10, 2003, when he was replaced by Mary Beth Cahill.[1] Jordan, who had run Kerry's campaign "since it began last December", had "also worked in Kerry's Senate office in 1999 when Kerry was contemplating and then rejected a 2000 presidential bid."[2]

Wow! I didn't remember those connections. Thank you. Gotta get out of here now. Work calls.

Cast my pajamas aside ............. for now.

22 posted on 09/23/2004 4:43:02 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: beyond the sea

Rush called FR one of the most maligned BBs ever and said this was exoneration.

I see the blogosphere as something like an ant hill. If the media drops something that smells like meat, within a few minutes the ant's are swarming all over it looking for soft spots. What people don't get is that anything that is said here is immediately deconstructed by someone. After all the shooting stops, what is left usually resembles the truth.


23 posted on 09/23/2004 4:50:30 AM PDT by johnb838 (John F'n Kerry: Communist Dupe? Or Do-gooder Idiot? You make the call.)
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To: Libloather

Thank you Jim Robinson. You had a vision for giving a voice to what is likely a majority of Americans who have been conspired against by the press for years. We all suspected it, but could not prove it. We gradually uncovered this Anti-American agenda in the press and the universities and now we have found the 'golden spike' with which to seal their coffins and bury these bastards.


24 posted on 09/23/2004 5:31:51 AM PDT by Fithee
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To: angkor

... and socnet.. and Issues forum CompuServe. :)


25 posted on 09/23/2004 5:40:46 AM PDT by Alia
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To: beyond the sea
I think what shocks the Dems most? We don't take orders. We actually talk, scream, and fight with each other; but ultimately put forward our own opinions and research. Unlike what the Dems have for supporters -- they take orders. They get the "reporting for duty" issue call and they march, little to no independent thinking involved. Just lots of ad hominems, slogans, hate, lies, and often, violence. Their anti-American slogan of long ago was: Might Makes Right. Right here is where John Kerry (ites) got their foothold in attacking America: They asserted that the US just "wantonly" kills and slaughters because it has might, and therefore it "can" and "will".

Dems are furious at the Bush Admin and because the Dem subterfuse slogan is being destroyed and exposed for the propogandistic, tyrannist slogan it was, and remains.

The United States is in Iraq not solely because "we have might"; but because we were attacked, and we took the fight to our aggressors and murderers.

Right Makes Might: is basically the theme of the Bush Admin. Stand on Truth. Being Right makes Might. (Witness freepers and blogosphere).

Listen to John Kerry (et al) and they are still spouting a "Might Makes Right" rhetoric against President Bush. It's got them so frustrated that it isn't working (again) for them. And, it's really screwing up their Dem campaign season. Poor Humpty Dumpties...

26 posted on 09/23/2004 5:53:23 AM PDT by Alia
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To: netmilsmom
I'm a Right Wing Nut Job!

Now there's a screen name just waiting to happen!

27 posted on 09/23/2004 6:07:29 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: johnb838
I see the blogosphere as something like an ant hill. If the media drops something that smells like meat, within a few minutes the ant's are swarming all over it looking for soft spots. What people don't get is that anything that is said here is immediately deconstructed by someone. After all the shooting stops, what is left usually resembles the truth.

That is brilliant! You are so right. There are so many people here giving input, deconstructing and constructing, it is really a beautiful thing to see!!! God Bless FR.

28 posted on 09/23/2004 7:35:41 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: Alia
Poor Humpty Dumpties...

May they topple off the wall on November 2nd!!!

29 posted on 09/23/2004 7:41:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza - let them run around naked, at least the kids)
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To: dawn53
That would be "All your base are belong to us"

(Just doing my blogosphere fact-checking duties.) /sarcasm>

30 posted on 09/23/2004 9:33:50 AM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Libloather
Let's start with Iraq, shall we?

Note to Kathleen Parker. When you get out of Kerry's pajamas and start wearing your own, look us up. We're here working every day.

31 posted on 09/23/2004 9:36:05 AM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: beyond the sea

! They Will!


32 posted on 09/23/2004 1:55:02 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Libloather

Free Republic has had 4,000 new signups since Rathergate broke on our threads. Some were trolls, yes, but there are at least a couple thousand Americans who will now get their news from this comprehensive, brilliant site and can forward articles to friends and family..... another big poke in the eye to the left :-)


33 posted on 09/23/2004 2:02:10 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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To: angkor

That was my first hang with a discussion group on the Internet. Overwhelmed by the "weasels" it did become -- it was unmoderated and thus vulnerable to Denial-of-service type attacks, which the weasels managed as an effervesecent fountain of inanities and vile personal attacks.


34 posted on 09/23/2004 2:09:54 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
fountain of inanities and vile personal attacks.

Yeah, the killfile was quite large.

35 posted on 09/23/2004 2:21:10 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Yeah, my killfile ended up including everybody. Eventually even myself. Very peaceful then.


36 posted on 09/23/2004 2:55:19 PM PDT by bvw
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To: johnb838
I see the blogosphere as something like an ant hill. If the media drops something that smells like meat, within a few minutes the ant's are swarming all over it looking for soft spots. What people don't get is that anything that is said here is immediately deconstructed by someone. After all the shooting stops, what is left usually resembles the truth.

BRILLIANT!

37 posted on 09/23/2004 5:01:40 PM PDT by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: dawn53

lol you better run and copywrite that.


38 posted on 09/24/2004 11:39:02 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: angkor

I remember that. I have a friend Jenny that was inside that story. I am just happy that from this point forward those who wish to distort the facts for political gain will get blogged. The left wing nuts that have been making up history for years have to now retreat bach under their rock!


39 posted on 09/24/2004 11:45:33 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: OldFriend

LOL Thanks Al you f'n bastard. Sorry!


40 posted on 09/24/2004 11:47:19 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: Fithee

I can see Diaper Dan's future. I see pain and agony. I see him at the ranch in Crawford. I see a pick-up truck. I see a rope with one end around Rather's neck and the other tied to the rear bumper. I see GWB doing about 80mph. I see Cheney in the back of the truck. He's handing Bush another beer. WAIT I see Dick throwing an empty beer can at Rather as he tells him to go "F-HIMSELF"


41 posted on 09/24/2004 11:59:25 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: Libloather
The implication that bloggers are slacker dust bunnies has delighted bloggers, the best of whom are lawyers, professors, scientists, renegade journalists

SHADDAP, dammit, Kathleen! You're OUTING us!!

We need them to go on thinking we're just a gang of right-wing lunatic whackjobs, so they won't notice us planning the next stage of their demisE!!!!

< < DAmMIT... > >

42 posted on 09/24/2004 11:49:16 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: Libloather

http://danrathermustgo.com/


43 posted on 09/29/2004 6:53:22 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
Update:

CBS Memo Scandal Results in Firings (Free Republic and Buckhead mentioned)

January 10, 2005 CBS Memo Scandal Results in Firings (The National Ledger / Scribe Journal)

CBS News announced on Monday morning that it had asked three executives to step down and has fired producer Mary Mapes. The announcement was the result of a near four month investigation into a story that aired in September by CBS news anchor Dan Rather that claimed George W. Bush received preferential treatment in the Texas Air National Guard.

In part, the story was based on memos that were quickly challenged in the new media as fraudulent. Within minutes a poster on a Free Republic message board with the screen name of Buckhead made challenges to the authenticity of the memos. By the next morning several members of the blogosphere were dismantling the memos piece by piece. Michelle Malkin has a nice round up of the history of how the story was covered in the new media.

The fact that the story was discredited nearly instantly didn't seem to matter to Dan Rather who defended the story for 12 full days. He stubbornly refused to acknowledge his mistakes and still demanded that President Bush answer the "charges" even though the story was falling to pieces. From CBS, "The panel finds that once serious questions were raised, the defense of the segment became more rigid and emphatic, and that virtually no attempt was made to determine whether the questions raised had merit." That sounds about right as with each passing day Dan Rather appeared more partisan in defending the story. Whatever credibility he had left was now gone. The CBS network finally agreed to appoint this panel headed by Dick Thornburgh and Louis D. Boccardi to investigate exactly what went wrong in mid-September.

I've yet to read the entire 234 page report and digest it, but this conclusion by the panel seems accurate and devastating. The panel first states that CBS has a myopic zeal to be first with this "story" and then cites four factors that contributed to airing the flawed report. "The combination of a new 60 Minutes Wednesday management team, great deference given to a highly respected producer and the network's news anchor, competitive pressures, and a zealous belief in the truth of the segment seem to have led many to disregard some fundamental journalistic principles."

Michelle Malkin has the "10 defects identified by the investigative panel" posted:

--1. The failure to obtain clear authentication of any of the Killian documents from any document examiner;
--2. The false statement in the September 8 Segment that an expert had authenticated the Killian documents when all he had done was authenticate one signature from one document used in the Segment;
--3. The failure of 60 Minutes Wednesday management to scrutinize the publicly available, and at times controversial, background of the source of the documents, retired Texas Army National Guard Lieutenant Colonel Bill Burkett;
--4. The failure to find and interview the individual who was understood at the outset to be Lieutenant Colonel Burkett's source of the Killian documents, and thus to establish the chain of custody;
--5. The failure to establish a basis for the statement in the Segment that the documents "were taken from Colonel Killian's personal files";
--6. The failure to develop adequate corroboration to support the statements in the Killian documents and to carefully compare the Killian documents to official TexANG records, which would have identified, at a minimum, notable inconsistencies in content and format;
--7. The failure to interview a range of former National Guardsmen who served with Lieutenant Colonel Killian and who had different perspectives about the documents;
--8. The misleading impression conveyed in the Segment that Lieutenant Strong had authenticated the content of the documents when he did not have the personal knowledge to do so;
--9. The failure to have a vetting process capable of dealing effectively with the production speed, significance and sensitivity of the Segment; and
--10. The telephone call prior to the Segment's airing by the producer of the Segment to a senior campaign official of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry - a clear conflict of interest - that created the appearance of a political bias.
As it stands now it seems as the firing of Mary Mapes is a good thing. The three "suits" asked to resign were Senior Vice President Betsy West, who supervised CBS News primetime programs; 60 Minutes Wednesday Executive Producer Josh Howard; and Howard's deputy, Senior Broadcast Producer Mary Murphy. I guess that was necessary but one troubling aspect of this report so far is the way CBS anchor Dan Rather skates with hardly any repercussions. He is currently overseas covering the aftermath of the tsunami for the network and will be presumably be on the TV sets of those who still watch CBS newscasts tonight. Mr. Rather is seen by many news observers as nothing more than a bitter partisan hack and he comes out of this pretty clean.

In fact, the report even makes mention that "the panel cannot conclude that a political agenda at 60 Minutes Wednesday drove either the timing of the airing of the segment or its content." While a conclusion may not have been reached, it will take more than this to convince most that CBS is nothing more then a liberally biased dying old media dinosaur. That said, what I've read so far seems pretty devastating. More to come...

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44 posted on 01/12/2005 6:20:10 AM PST by TaxRelief (NC Freepers are heading to the FR Ball in droves: See you there!)
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