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Burr 3 points behind Bowles in latest poll
Winston-Salem Journal ^ | September 23, 2004 | JOURNAL STAFF AND WIRE REPORT

Posted on 09/23/2004 9:44:20 AM PDT by JohnnyZ

RALEIGH - A new poll shows the race for the U.S. Senate in North Carolina tightening, with Republican Richard Burr closing to within 3 percentage points of Democrat Erskine Bowles.

In other polls so far, Bowles - who ran for the Senate two years ago against Republican Elizabeth Dole - has led by 8 to 10 percentage points.

But the poll for N.C. FREE, a trade group in Raleigh that tracks state elections, found Bowles with support from 44 percent, Burr with 41 percent and 12 percent undecided, according to N.C. FREE members who have seen it.

The statewide poll of more than 700 likely voters was conducted by Verne Kennedy, a pollster in Florida, before the Republican National Convention began Aug. 30 and before Burr released ads last week that criticize Bowles' support of a tax increase as a member of the Clinton administration.

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: burr; northcarolina; polls; richardburr; senate2004
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As many FReepers have been saying, Bowles clearly has this race locked up /sarcasm
1 posted on 09/23/2004 9:44:21 AM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: JohnnyZ

Great news! We need to SWEEP the south.


2 posted on 09/23/2004 9:45:34 AM PDT by Gunder (Jenna's a good time, but Barbara is forever)
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To: JohnnyZ

Hah!

Take that, Irksome.

I saw Richard's "attack" ad for the first time last night. Good stuff.


3 posted on 09/23/2004 9:46:16 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: JohnnyZ

after we posted about this yesterday or the day before, I wrote a pal of mine that works as a editorial page editor and asked what he thought, hoping for the best.. heres his responce to me:

Unless Burr has a sudden infusion of energy, money and connection with the voters, and unless Bowles stumbles badly, it sure looks like it's going for Bowles. Every poll I've seen gives him a double-digit lead in most parts of the state. I haven't gotten to know either of them, but from what I can see from afar, neither one is going to make a great senator. A classic lose-lose election.

Tim



his description of Burr doesnt match mine...I think Burr is pretty good ..


4 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:00 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Awesome. bush needs to pay NC and SD a visit to drum up name recognition.


5 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:47 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: JohnnyZ

If this is the best Irksome can do at this point he is soon to be a two time defeated Senate candidate.


6 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:55 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Hot dang. We need a couple of more polls showing these kinda numbers, but its huge if its true. It would mean Burr has the 'Mo' and they are turning on Bowles who they already know


7 posted on 09/23/2004 9:53:20 AM PDT by jbwbubba (stunner)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; ambrose
This poll suggests to me that Bowles' lead in other polls is due to leaners who aren't committed to voting for him. Clearly this poll did not push leaners as hard because of the wording.

Reported (in the press) rumor is that Burr's polls show him within 5 points of Bowles as well.

I'll say this much for Bowles, he's running a textbook campaign, avoiding missteps. However, the fundamentals are in Burr's favor and Bowles hasn't given voters anything new since he lost by 10 to Liddy.

8 posted on 09/23/2004 9:57:02 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: CzarNicky

Burr has just recently started his hard-hitting ads. The first one shows Irksome and Billy and ties the two together with Clintoon's tax increase when Bowels was COS. Bowles responded by crying that Burr was using "negative" "attack" ads. Pretty lame, if you ask me.

I have said all along that the lead Irksome had was tenuous at best. Burr seems to have decided on the right time to remind folks in this great state who gave Bowels his biggest stage - Bill Clinton. Now they have debates set up and mark my words - Burr is a DAMN good debater! Besides that, Bowels looks like a ferret and Burr probably towers over him by about a foot!

Methinks Bowels is about to start scambling!


9 posted on 09/23/2004 9:57:51 AM PDT by Littlejon
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To: jbwbubba

This is good news, but on the www.hillnews.com today, a poll said that Majette is within 5 points of Isakson, this is concerning. How accurate/reputable is this polling firm and will this momentum build?


10 posted on 09/23/2004 9:58:19 AM PDT by Abram
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To: JohnnyZ

geez i had all but written that one off
Great news hope it continues


11 posted on 09/23/2004 10:06:21 AM PDT by DM1
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To: fooman

I agree about South Dakota.

A trip to Sioux Falls (the main media market in SoDak) gives Thune publicity.

But it also gives Bush media coverage in southwest Minnesota and northwest Iowa, both battleground states.


12 posted on 09/23/2004 10:11:09 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Abram

Really?

Majette shouldn't be that close.

Who did this poll?


13 posted on 09/23/2004 10:12:03 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Is Burr a good speaker ? Good campaigner ? What's his style ?


14 posted on 09/23/2004 10:12:22 AM PDT by somerville
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To: JohnnyZ
I think Burr is on the right track by associating Bowles with Clinton and sKerry. More of these ads are needed to question the true motives of Bowles.

BTW, I met Bowles at a local rally and had a chance to ask him about the obstructionist methods used by Dachale's cronies for Bush's Judicial nominations and what he would do differently. He said, "How did one of Burr's followers get into this rally?" Sounds like he is following the Punk's (Mcauliffe) playbook, no matter how "nonpartisan" he pretends to be.
15 posted on 09/23/2004 10:15:02 AM PDT by JasonG (Common Sense is uncommon. - Ben Franklin)
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To: JohnnyZ

I've been thinking that if Bill Jones can get w/in 2% of Boxer (CA Senate race) by Nov. 2 he may be able to pull out a win if Bush wins big and rat turnout is depressed. Could the same (wishful) reasoning apply in NC?


16 posted on 09/23/2004 10:15:08 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi MInh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
Every poll I've seen gives him a double-digit lead in most parts of the state. I haven't gotten to know either of them, but from what I can see from afar, neither one is going to make a great senator. A classic lose-lose election.

Not every Senator needs to be a star. In this case, an invisible GOP back-bencher is better than a Clinton retread voting Dem on critical votes.

17 posted on 09/23/2004 10:15:56 AM PDT by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: MplsSteve

Roger that!


18 posted on 09/23/2004 10:16:22 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Carling

amen


19 posted on 09/23/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: somerville
Is Burr a good speaker ? Good campaigner ? What's his style ?

Honest, straightforward, telegenic. He made his living in sales (nothing slimy) before entering politics.

20 posted on 09/23/2004 10:19:03 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ

Can someone please post sites where we can follow the house and senate races nationwide, with an emphasis on how many seats the Republicans and expect to gain or lose?


21 posted on 09/23/2004 10:20:55 AM PDT by paulklenk (Blue Fairy, please make Dan Rather a real boy!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I didn't even realize that there WAS a Senate race in CA this year! How far behind Boxer is Jones right now? It would be SO SWEET to see that harridan defeated!!


22 posted on 09/23/2004 10:21:06 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
but from what I can see from afar, neither one is going to make a great senator

Unlike John Kerry.

23 posted on 09/23/2004 10:24:20 AM PDT by VRWC_minion ( I'll send email telling you where to send check.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Burr is not leading??! Good grief. Visit the tah heels right away, GW.


24 posted on 09/23/2004 10:25:13 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Pajamamama)
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To: paulklenk
Can someone please post sites where we can follow the house and senate races nationwide, with an emphasis on how many seats the Republicans and expect to gain or lose?

Check out Free Republic.

You'll get in-depth coverage of every competitive race.

House: Republicans will pick up 4 or 5 seats in Texas, might lose Max Burns in Georgia, have Anne Northrup in another close race in Kentucky (up 7 in latest poll), Rick Renzi (AZ) and Jon Porter (NV) each up by 11, and Jim Gerlach (PA) looking to consolidate his hold on his district. Etc Etc Etc

25 posted on 09/23/2004 10:25:32 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ

What took so long for this poll to come out? This was done before the GOP convention.


26 posted on 09/23/2004 10:26:08 AM PDT by tellw
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To: Mamzelle
Good grief. Visit the tah heels right away, GW.

He just did last week.

27 posted on 09/23/2004 10:26:57 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ

I was hoping for a more targeted link, but thanks for the bit of info all the same.


28 posted on 09/23/2004 10:27:32 AM PDT by paulklenk (Blue Fairy, please make Dan Rather a real boy!)
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To: JohnnyZ

As we all have said, "The GOPers in North Carolina could pull a name out of the phone book and beat irksome." He couldn't beat Libby straight up. He sure as hell aint beating Burr with the president at the top of the ticket.
Remember the lying ratmedia polls that had him winning big last time? Ha ha ha ha !!!!!


29 posted on 09/23/2004 10:28:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: tellw
What took so long for this poll to come out?

I think 'cause it was done for NC Free. They paid for it so they don't necessarily cough up the results right away.

30 posted on 09/23/2004 10:28:14 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ

If Burr was down 3% before the Republican National Convention, then he's probably ahead right about now. Don't you think?


31 posted on 09/23/2004 10:32:41 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Yipee!!! I was wondering how things were playing out here in NC. I am in Charlotte and all I see is Irksome...I say, he looks like a ferret.

Go Burr! Bring on the red meat!


32 posted on 09/23/2004 10:33:30 AM PDT by blteague
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To: AuH2ORepublican
If Burr was down 3% before the Republican National Convention, then he's probably ahead right about now. Don't you think?

Nah, I think it depends how you treat the leaners. There are a lot of 'undecideds' in this poll and I bet they're mostly leaning to Bowles, and that should count for something, 'cause even if they're soft Burr's still going to have to win them over, and Bowles is working those folks hard. It might be two weeks before the election before we see even one non-partisan poll with Burr in the lead. The Cleland-Chambliss race (which I think this resembles) showed Cleland ahead until the week before the vote, and only some of the final polls showed Chambliss in the lead.

33 posted on 09/23/2004 10:46:24 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Constitution Day

Whoa! Great news.....NC Ping Pleeeezzzzze : )


34 posted on 09/23/2004 10:46:48 AM PDT by mykdsmom (Please DO NOT add me to a ping list unless I request it..my posting to your thread is not a request!)
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To: mykdsmom

With pleasure!


35 posted on 09/23/2004 10:51:12 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: TaxRelief; Helms; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; Aegedius; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day, TaxRelief OR Helms if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
36 posted on 09/23/2004 10:52:34 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Darth Reagan

poll ping


37 posted on 09/23/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: Constitution Day

This is the first poll I have seen on this race in a long long time.


38 posted on 09/23/2004 11:01:18 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: SuziQ
I didn't even realize that there WAS a Senate race in CA this year! How far behind Boxer is Jones right now?

Alas, most Californians don't realize it, either. I haven't seen a poll recently, but Boxer is still ahead by a safe margin. A quick Bush trip through the state with Arnold and Jones could narrow the gap.

39 posted on 09/23/2004 11:07:59 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi MInh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: JohnnyZ

Let's hope for long Bush coattails


40 posted on 09/23/2004 11:08:54 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: JohnnyZ
Hope Bowles invites Kerry in to stump for him.
41 posted on 09/23/2004 11:26:45 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Burr will win, Irksome Bowels will go back to Washington to work with the witch. I doubt Ballentine will win the Gov race, but Burr will win.


42 posted on 09/23/2004 11:30:42 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: JohnnyZ

My uncle lives in Louisville, and I had an e-mail from him this morning with a link to a Louisville Courier-Journal article. I hadn't yet read the article when I saw you post that Northup was up in the latest poll, but I immediately knew that that's what my uncle had e-mailed me. This is a much better result than that poll a couple of weeks ago that saw the Democrat Miller up by like 5%.

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/09/22ky/A1-third0922-8212.html


43 posted on 09/23/2004 11:37:42 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: JohnnyZ
Irksome got 45% against Dole, and has basically polled right around that so far this cycle. Burr is just now building his name recognition.

Unless Irksome can give people a reason to vote for him, his support this election will be the same as last time. The Undecideds are Burr's to take if he plays his cards right.

44 posted on 09/23/2004 11:44:21 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: JohnnyZ

Wow. Best news of the day.


45 posted on 09/23/2004 12:07:51 PM PDT by jern (The only poll that this site think is accurate, is the poll with W. in the lead.)
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To: Littlejon

"Bowles responded by crying that Burr was using "negative" "attack" ads. Pretty lame, if you ask me. "

You can tell that Bowles had this ad in the can and was waiting for ANYTHING that could be even slightly perceived as being negative to run it.

I've never considered ad that illustrate a candidates record to be negative. Whether the record is negative or positive is in the eye of the beholder. Libs should love it because is shows Bowles likes tax increases and is Klinton's good buddy. Isn't that what libs are all about?


46 posted on 09/23/2004 12:27:27 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: JohnnyZ

This would explain the new attack add against Burr, being ran by some looney, liberal, environmental group, accusing Burr of voting in favor of big oil and putting a 29 million dollar clean up burden on the tax-payers, that according to them huge oil should be paying for.

Typical, liberal Bowel movements. These Bowelseites, will have us believe that if humungus oil were forced to pay for the clean up, tax-payers would get a pass. As though gigantic oil would not add the price of the clean up onto the cost of gasoline, which is purchased by tax-payers.

Wonder if the Bowelseites have any plans for an alternative form of energy, just in case they are successful in their plans to bankrupt big,massive,gigantic, obese oil? Considering the teeny mentality of big environment, they probably do.

I can hear those tiny wheels within the dimunative brains of Bowelseites turning as we speak. I see their vision for energy independence: Mutated hamsters the size of elephants, running inside huge wheels. powering the engines of civilization and industry. Hamsters mutated on varing scales, powering automobiles, trucks, trains and busses.

The only problem they are wrestling with, is what to do with all that hamster sh*t. We can help them with that, can't we? Just kill all the cattle, and the liberals can bedazzle us with "HS", Hamster Sh*t, in place of the BS they have been using.


47 posted on 09/23/2004 12:44:54 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Vote Kerry-Edwards...........................off the dole.)
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To: marblehead17

That's good news, but it's still an uphill battle for Richard Burr. Erskine's ads are just very, very good, and Erskine comes off as a likeable regular guy - a lie -- but image is everything.


48 posted on 09/23/2004 1:28:31 PM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Did your friend have any insight on how NC will break in the prez race?


49 posted on 09/23/2004 1:31:07 PM PDT by creepycrawly
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To: creepycrawly
My friend Karl Rove said North Carolina isn't in play in the presidential race.

But we have a Bush-Cheney04 office here anyway!

50 posted on 09/23/2004 1:35:51 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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