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Did Kerry Lie about Attending the Signing of the Gulf-War Ceasefire
O'Reilly Factor ^ | 24 Sept 2004 | Rokke

Posted on 09/23/2004 9:18:29 PM PDT by Rokke

I just watched the rerun of O'Reilly's 2001 interview with Kerry discussing the need to invade Iraq. In that interview, Kerry said the following: "I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war." I've watched the video of the cease-fire signing at Safwan. It was still in a combat zone. I don't remember seeing anyone but military officers. Can anyone provide additional insight, or has Kerry lied again.


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I've googled to my heart's content, but can find no evidence of anyone but Iraqi and Coalition military folks there. My recollection was Shwartzkopf kept a very tight lid on the event. Does anyone have any info that can prove this one way or another? Bill might like to know that Kerry lied during his interview.
1 posted on 09/23/2004 9:18:30 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Don't click on the link for the O'Reilly show. It doesn't work.


2 posted on 09/23/2004 9:19:33 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

If Kerry says he was there, I am sure Kerry typed up an offical document that proves it....I don't care if 250 people who were there claims he wasn't.


3 posted on 09/23/2004 9:22:19 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Rokke

I've read about this, probably in Schwartz...'s (sp?) book. I can't believe for a sec. that Kerry was there, but that would be the best place to look I believe.


4 posted on 09/23/2004 9:23:55 PM PDT by self_evident
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To: Rokke
I wondered the same thing when he made the claim.

Why would he go, he voted against the Gulf War

5 posted on 09/23/2004 9:24:20 PM PDT by MJY1288 (A PROUD MEMBER OF FREE REPUBLIC'S PAJAMAMUJAHADEEN)
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To: Rokke

Were his lips moving?


6 posted on 09/23/2004 9:24:57 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (So "F'n" means "flip-flopping"? ><BCC>)
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To: Rokke

I would bet that it's another lie.

And, if you ask him about it he will deny he ever said it, call you an idiot scumbag, and tell you to shove it.


7 posted on 09/23/2004 9:25:04 PM PDT by LuckyHat (Kerry burned down my village...and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt.)
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To: Always Right
"If Kerry says he was there, I am sure Kerry typed up an official document that proves it....I don't care if 250 people who were there claims he wasn't."

....And it was faxed from a Kinkos in Abilene, TX some 20 miles from the home of an ex-National Guard Officer to CBS News Headquarters in NY


8 posted on 09/23/2004 9:26:26 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Rokke

i looked through schwarzkopf's book and it has no mention of politicians being at the scene at all. someone needs to look into this if they have better sources they can tap


9 posted on 09/23/2004 9:27:02 PM PDT by texhusker22
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To: Rokke

email oreilly and have him look into it...he has the research dept and the pentagon probably answers his phone calls..


10 posted on 09/23/2004 9:27:13 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Rokke

My understanding is that the Safwan party consisted only of military officers lead by General H. Norman Schwartzkopf. I suggest we check the pictures in "It Doesn't Take a Hero" of the signing. I think it would be difficult for Liveshot to have mananged not to throw himself in front of a camera lens.


11 posted on 09/23/2004 9:27:57 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: Rokke
The signing:


12 posted on 09/23/2004 9:28:55 PM PDT by JennysCool (Funny how militant environmentalists always ruin the lawn)
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To: Rokke

Also, after a little checking, don't forget that Kerry voted against Desert Storm. If he was there, he would be having a crow dinner. The odds of him being there are extremely low.


13 posted on 09/23/2004 9:30:06 PM PDT by self_evident
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To: JennysCool

Yeah I saw that to, but they don't show all of Saddam's side so it's not proof heh.


14 posted on 09/23/2004 9:30:55 PM PDT by self_evident
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To: Rokke
Here is the most detailed information I could find...

"The choice of Safwan Airfield as the site for the formal cease-fire ceremony was dictated by a number of factors. These included Gen. Schwarzkopf's desire to conduct a hold the meeting deep inside Iraq so as to reinforce the idea that the Iraqis had been defeated. The location also had to be road-accessible so as to permit the Iraqi delegation to reach it. Safwan Airfield was eventually selected, although it still remained in Iraqi possession.

1-4 Cavalry Squadron, armed with two tank reinforced ground troops, two air cavalry troops, and one Apache attack helicopter company, was dispatched to capture the airfield and prepare it for the ceremony. The airfield, it was discovered, was being protected by an entire Iraqi Republican Guard armored brigade, in reveted positions slightly north of the airfield. Other Iraqi units were also located at other locations in the near-vicinity of the airfield.

Meeting with various senior Iraqi officers, the latter were told in blunt terms to either depart the area or face the prospect of decisive military action, even though this might have meant the US violating the cease-fire on Iraqi soil. Threatened with overwhelming force and retaliation if refusing to comply with US instructions, Iraqi troops eventually retreated from the Safwan Airfield.

The Iraqi delegation arrived by road at a coalition checkpoint several miles from the airfield. From there, it was transported to the ceremony site using HMWVV vehicles and escorted by escorted by Bradley Fighting Vehicles, two M1A1s Abrams, and two Apaches Attack helicopters, at 11:30 a.m. local time.

The meeting lasted two hours between seven Iraqi Generals and General H. Norman Schwarzkopf. It was observed by coalition generals from saudi Arabia, Britain, France, Kuwait, Egypt, Syria, among others. The meeting resulted in Iraqi Generals accepting all of the U.S.-led coalition's conditions for a permanent cease-fire. "http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/safwan.htm

What am I missing here. I don't see anything about "...and assorted Senators."

I think Bill O'Reilly has been spun. I wonder if he'd like to know.

15 posted on 09/23/2004 9:31:03 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

I have a friend who claimed he was there, but he has pictures to prove it. I wonder if Kerry took any pictures?

My friend also has pictures of Dick Cheney in his helicopter ( in flight !). Those are awesome pics, I tell you !!





16 posted on 09/23/2004 9:31:07 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon (Maybe next year Essendon Bombers ! You gave it your best.)
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To: Rokke
If gigilo john was there he was under a table. I have looked at all the pictures I have and seen the conference table from every possible angle and no kerry. What a suprise.

Then on the other hand, along with his other many talents, maybe he teleported himself there while no one was watching. What an idiot. This is at least as good as inventing the Internet...astral projection. Lord, what next?

17 posted on 09/23/2004 9:32:07 PM PDT by Adrastus (Kerry lied while good men died.)
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To: Rokke

Why would John Kerry be there?

He was against that war, too.


18 posted on 09/23/2004 9:32:59 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: self_evident

Har. Very good!


19 posted on 09/23/2004 9:34:18 PM PDT by JennysCool (Funny how militant environmentalists always ruin the lawn)
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To: Rokke

It was held in Cambodia, weren't you there?


20 posted on 09/23/2004 9:37:41 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Rokke

I wonder if this too was "seared, seared...blah blah blah".


21 posted on 09/23/2004 9:37:56 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: Rokke
"I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war."

To be fair sKerry doesn't say he was at the actual signing of the armistice but that he was in the city of Safwan when it was signed.

22 posted on 09/23/2004 9:38:58 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Rokke

You can bet your bottom dollar he'd like to know. He takes being spun very personally (that "no-spin zone" thing). Send him the entire thread, he'll probably pick up on it as a personal kind of Christmas in Cambodia thing bring played on him?


23 posted on 09/23/2004 9:39:12 PM PDT by Barnstormer
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To: LuckyHat
My husband and I own the book. I'm looking, looking, looking. Tom Brokaw was there, but no mention of Kerry, yet!
24 posted on 09/23/2004 9:40:01 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill)
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To: JennysCool

No one paid attention to free republic or Drudge when Clinton was tormenting us with his spontaneous lies- but Kerry can be had any time and every time- hope O reilly makes an issue of it - Kerry places himself in places where something actually occurs - as if it makes him more of an authority - making others feel small- little do they know he is a con man- when confronted with this lie- he will waste our time rephrasing and dare you to waste time playing the sound byte back- what a sad life he has


25 posted on 09/23/2004 9:40:33 PM PDT by newzhawk
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To: Rokke

BTTT to catch another kerri LIE!!! PJ's on!!!!


26 posted on 09/23/2004 9:42:11 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (To All dimocrats,"Would you have wished your mother was pro choice"?)
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To: Terp

exactly, he was near the border of Iraq dropping off some CIA guys. It's all hush-hush. Just ask the guys on his boat.


27 posted on 09/23/2004 9:42:24 PM PDT by marineguy
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To: Terp

I don't even believe that much.


28 posted on 09/23/2004 9:43:15 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Terp
"To be fair sKerry doesn't say he was at the actual signing of the armistice but that he was in the city of Safwan when it was signed."

That's even worse. Besides being a tiny hellhole (I've flown over it countless times), Safwan was still in the middle of a combat zone with the cease-fire was signed. In fact, within a couple days after the cease-fire was signed, some of the heaviest fighting of the war took place near Safwan. There is NO WAY a United States Senator would be anywhere near there.

29 posted on 09/23/2004 9:43:23 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: JennysCool

Perhaps this is another "seared, seared into my memory" moment.

I think Hannity needs to look into this. O'bore would not want to do anything to keep kerry from coming onto his show!


30 posted on 09/23/2004 9:44:41 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Always Right

Unless you have witnesses that were standing in Kerry's underpants -- they are not valid witnesses...


Semper Fi


31 posted on 09/23/2004 9:44:59 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Terp

I kind of doubt he was anywhere near the place. From the time hostilities ended until that armistice was signed wouldn't have allowed for a plane trip from the States into a SAFE area (like Saudi), and then a ride up to the meeting beyond the front lines?


32 posted on 09/23/2004 9:45:35 PM PDT by Barnstormer
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To: marineguy

Wonder if he has a souvenir hat from Safwan, too ... tucked into a special compartment of his briefcase.


33 posted on 09/23/2004 9:46:28 PM PDT by kayak (JFKerry "has fewer days at work this year than he has houses" - Tom DeLay)
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To: marineguy

John Freakface Kerry would never tell a lie, nor would he fabricate a story to place himself into historic events. Of course he was there for the signing of the ceasefire, he saved his favorite hat from the CIA guy who went over the border with him, from Kuwait to Iraq....


34 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:04 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: Rokke

What was the date of the signing?


35 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:08 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: Rokke

This is insame. If Kerry told another quasi-lie about being somewhere that he's neer been then he's a bigger fool than I thought. Unless he was under the table I don't see him in the picture. Anybody know BOR's direct line?


36 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:13 PM PDT by marineguy
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To: Rokke

You're right, Kerry's story doesn't make sense. What would be the purpose of going to some backwater hellhole if you weren't going to be at the actual signing.


37 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:25 PM PDT by jimboster
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To: Rokke

I saw a picture that I thought was him for a minute...turned out to be a camel..*sigh*


38 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:29 PM PDT by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr., The Man on my POW Bracelet)
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To: Rokke
Can anyone provide additional insight, or has Kerry lied again.

Where his lips moving? That's usually a pretty good indicator of a lie.

39 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:32 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: Adrastus

Can the minutes of the Senate for that day be checked. If Senator Kerry was in Washington, he would not have missed a chance to speak (claim credit for victory).


40 posted on 09/23/2004 9:47:42 PM PDT by etcb
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To: newzhawk

"Kerry places himself in places where something actually occurs..."

Maybe he thinks himself some kind of Forrest Gump.


41 posted on 09/23/2004 9:48:03 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (So "F'n" means "flip-flopping"? ><BCC>)
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To: Rokke
Video, audio needed.

Smoking Jacket on.

42 posted on 09/23/2004 9:49:25 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian; Howlin; Peach; Dog; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Or Tourist Guy.


43 posted on 09/23/2004 9:49:33 PM PDT by kayak (JFKerry "has fewer days at work this year than he has houses" - Tom DeLay)
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To: Blue Collar Christian; John O

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


44 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:22 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: The Bandit

The cease-fire was signed 3 March 1991


45 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:42 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: All

I have Schwarzkopf's bio, as well as Fred Franks' book w/ Tom Clancy, "Into the Storm". I'll start looking into the Safwan sections of both to see if they mention Kerry...


46 posted on 09/23/2004 9:50:49 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: etcb

IF he showed up, it would be a rare sighting!


47 posted on 09/23/2004 9:51:12 PM PDT by andie74 (W stands for Women)
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To: Barnstormer
I kind of doubt he was anywhere near the place. From the time hostilities ended until that armistice was signed wouldn't have allowed for a plane trip from the States into a SAFE area (like Saudi), and then a ride up to the meeting beyond the front lines?

I see what you mean.

48 posted on 09/23/2004 9:52:18 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Casloy
Where his lips moving?

Learn to spell, will you? It's were not where.

49 posted on 09/23/2004 9:52:39 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: Lunkhead_01
My understanding is that the Safwan party consisted only of military officers lead by General H. Norman Schwartzkopf. I suggest we check the pictures in "It Doesn't Take a Hero" of the signing. I think it would be difficult for Liveshot to have mananged not to throw himself in front of a camera lens.

There must be a FReeper who could as Gen. Schwarzkopf personally if Kerry was there.

50 posted on 09/23/2004 9:52:51 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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