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MEDIA ASLEEP? ISRAEL ARMING TO STRIKE IRAN
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | SEPTEMBER 24, 2004 | CHRIS LONG

Posted on 09/24/2004 9:46:05 AM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: aegiscg47
If Kerry gets elected I think Israel strikes before the year is out. If Bush is elected they may let us do the dirty work.

Nope. Whether Bush or Kerry, the IAF will be the MotherF'ers in Charge on this one. Israel is Target #1.
51 posted on 09/24/2004 10:44:08 AM PDT by CaptSkip (Dan the NewsMan says, "Karma sucks, but Nixonian Karma?...that's a MotherF'er!")
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To: Petronski
The writer makes this sound like a bad thing.

I think it's an urgent call for us all to go out and buy popcorn.

52 posted on 09/24/2004 10:45:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Antoninus
I would hope that Israel, or the US, had operatives within the country that could sabotage the design/construction process of these facilities and avoid the large scale military strike, but that may be wishing for too much, given the tight Iranian control over their people. Same thing applies to North Korea.
53 posted on 09/24/2004 10:46:11 AM PDT by NorseWood
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To: Husker24

Iran has many agent here in the U.S. planning attacks. They will attack us on our own soil.


54 posted on 09/24/2004 10:48:34 AM PDT by Nachum (Kerry spells "Fine Dining")
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To: CHARLITE

I figure the bombing will take place on or shortly after Nov. 3.


55 posted on 09/24/2004 10:49:11 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Travis McGee
Let's roll.
56 posted on 09/24/2004 10:49:17 AM PDT by Redball2202 (If you can't say 'Amen', say 'Ouch'!)
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To: Petronski
"The writer makes this sound like a bad thing."

I agree. Sometimes it's good to let the media sleep, especially while Israel is doing her thing.
57 posted on 09/24/2004 10:52:32 AM PDT by keats5
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To: mabelkitty
Israel WILL NOT let Iran go "Nukular". Iran would launch on Israel in a heartbeat...first strike from Iran assured.

When it comes to the destruction of Israel, the INTIRE Arab/Muslim world become instant a**hole buddies.
58 posted on 09/24/2004 10:54:26 AM PDT by CaptSkip (Dan the NewsMan says, "Karma sucks, but Nixonian Karma?...that's a MotherF'er!")
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To: Antoninus

It might convert Iran from 55,000,000 pro-western and 5,000,000 Arabists to 60,000,000 Arabists overnight. Of course, many (if not most) in the Middle East (rightly or wrongly) see Israel as the 51st state of the US.

How will the Commonwealth of Independent States take to having their technicians attacked?


59 posted on 09/24/2004 11:06:07 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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60 posted on 09/24/2004 11:45:02 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: CHARLITE
I have a couple minor technical problems with this writing.

Heavy water production is centered in Arak. Heavy water is used to moderate nuclear fission in reactors.

Heavy water is only required in Canadian type reactors or commonly called heavy water reactors. For US type (Westinghouse, Babcock & Wilcox, CE [ABB], and GE) and most other types of reactors, heavy water is not required. A heavy water moderated reactor does allow the use of natural uranium (that is non-enriched uranium to be used .711 percent or so U-235 - the good stuff) as opposed to enriched uranium (typically on the order of 3%+ for a standard US reactor). Therefore since Iran is manufacturing D2O, it would appear that they are keeping the option open to build reactors that wouldn't require enriched uranium to operate (in the event their enrichment facilities are "lost" or they can't get a supply of enriched uranium). You do need hydrogen isotopes (deuterium and tritium) if you are going to make a thermonuclear device (H bomb). Tritium can be made by bombarding Li - they couldn't be thinking H bomb too - could they?

A 1000-megawatt reactor on the Persian Gulf coast built by the Russians under contract. This reactor should have started by now. The used fuel from the Bushehr reactor will provide Uranium for many, many bombs and missiles.

The spent fuel from a reactor will not provide uranium, it will only provide plutonium. This means that Iran is also planning on developing plutonium weapons in addition to uranium weapons, assuming they have the reprocessing facilities and plan to run the reactor in a manner to produce the best plutonium isotope (Pu-239 versus the neutron absorbers). Uranium enrichment is used to produce U-235 that can be used in uranium weapons - which is why it is so very important that we got all of Qaddafi's equipment. You don't need a reactor to make a uranium device.

With that said however, I wasn't aware of the investment that Iran had made into their nuclear program. If they are building facilities for uranium enrichment, heavy water production, fuel reprocessing, and reactors, they are very serious about a number of paths to produce both uranium and plutonium weapons. These facilities and associated processes are not for a peaceful nuclear program in an oil and natural gas rich region. This simply can't happen. These facilities must be taken out in the short term and the government changed in the long term. We (including Israel and the remainder of the sane, free world) need to step up to the plate now. Regardless of the spread of radioactive contamination and civilian deaths, we are at this point now and it must be stopped. Iranian leadership has already stated what they will do with weapons - and they're not a real sane bunch at the top. This will lead directly to our citizens being killed in much larger scale than on 9/11.

61 posted on 09/24/2004 11:53:40 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Smokin' Joe

yes, it is a totally different ballgame than the Cold War. if they get nukes, they will use them on the offense.


62 posted on 09/24/2004 11:58:24 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: CHARLITE

Good article. Thanks.


63 posted on 09/24/2004 11:59:02 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: G.Mason; All

Lets Roll!!!!!!!!!!!


64 posted on 09/24/2004 12:14:20 PM PDT by priceofreedom (On A Roadmap To Hell)
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To: 103198

Very comprehensive and correct analysis sir. My hat is off to you.

If I may add one detail from what I have read, I dont believe the Iranians have the fuel rod assemblies yet, because the Russian contractors havent delivered them.

If the Israelis can bomb those plants before the fuel rods are delivered, it avoids killing Russian contractors and reduces the potential for gross contamination of the region. This further tightens the time frame down to a very short and narrow attack window.


65 posted on 09/24/2004 12:17:04 PM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: escapefromboston
The real question is "what was IRAN thinking??" they know Israel can kick thier butts back to the stone age (or as they call it in Iran, last week yesterday)

There. Much better.


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66 posted on 09/24/2004 12:25:25 PM PDT by rdb3 ("The Republican Party is the ship and all else is the sea." ---Frederick Douglass)
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To: escapefromboston
"they know Israel can kick thier butts back to the stone age (or as they call it in Iran, last week)"

Excellent! ;)

67 posted on 09/24/2004 12:26:47 PM PDT by G.Mason (Mr. Rather ... do you have any last words?... No? ... you may put the black hood on him executioner.)
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To: CHARLITE

I think it would be best to wait until the reactors are fully fueled.


68 posted on 09/24/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Travis McGee

The fallout may reach us here. I suggest visiting http://ready.gov and following instructions about bottled water, food, and duct tape. Oh, and BLOAT.


69 posted on 09/24/2004 12:31:46 PM PDT by risk
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To: CHARLITE

http://www.spoothe.com/2001/art/slim_pickens_bomb.jpg


70 posted on 09/24/2004 12:37:49 PM PDT by rang1995
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To: CHARLITE

http://www.spoothe.com/2001/art/slim_pickens_bomb.jpg


71 posted on 09/24/2004 12:37:50 PM PDT by rang1995
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To: CHARLITE

Shhhhhhhhh! I want it to be a surprise.


72 posted on 09/24/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: CHARLITE
The recent announcement of a deal for Israel to acquire thousands of Precision-Guided-Munitions (PGM) went largely unheralded by Elite-Media, who mostly yawned and ho-hummed the sale.

Hell, if there is such a thing as a "help Israel" fund, I would be happy to contribute monetarily to this acquisition.
Why the "ho hum" attitude? Israel has not been known to commit barbaric acts agains someone who is not an active enemy. Ever. And I do not expect them ever to.

Next puzzling "crisis", please?

73 posted on 09/24/2004 12:44:02 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Uh, I don't think so. I think they have declared their real intentions.

Yes, of course they have, and I heard on KSFO, San Francisco, that even if there is a regime change, they will still try to get nucs. Given what Israel did in 1981, I do not see any other way out of this, except for the military option. I wish it could be dealt with peacefully, but I just do not see that happening.

74 posted on 09/24/2004 12:50:55 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Billthedrill
Nothing will happen before 3 November, IMHO. After that all bets are off.

I will be in the Philippines from Oct 20th, to Nov 5th, but you know I will be paying attention to the news in Manila.

75 posted on 09/24/2004 12:59:15 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: escapefromboston

...sound of gun cocking...


76 posted on 09/24/2004 1:15:36 PM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Petronski
The writer makes this sound like a bad thing.

He may be a "palaeo." I initially thought the "Chron" in "Chronwatch" meant it was affiliated with the anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, national-relativist Chronicles.

77 posted on 09/24/2004 1:19:59 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki kol 'elohei-ha`ammim 'elilim . . . veHaShem Shamayim `asah!)
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To: SittinYonder

Thanks for the ping. Waiting impatiently for action. ;-) Go IDF! ;-)


78 posted on 09/24/2004 1:22:52 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (John Kerry: Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US since 1970!)
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To: CHARLITE

Hmm, from the look of this, GW may not be able to wait until Nov. 3 or 4.


79 posted on 09/24/2004 1:24:29 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Lijahsbubbe; Robert_Paulson2
Actually, in time of war, this is a more functional model:


80 posted on 09/24/2004 1:53:49 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Homo_homini_lupus

This goes nicely with our conversations of the last few weeks.


81 posted on 09/24/2004 1:56:32 PM PDT by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: Montfort

I think it'll be similar to 1981 when the Israelis wiped out the Osirak reactor near Baghdad.

Many countries wailed about it but many (including the US) were glad the Israelis did it.


82 posted on 09/24/2004 1:58:39 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: risk
BLOAT? My Acronym Analyzer came up empty on that one, risk. Could you possibly elaborate and educate me? I especially need to know if there is a different weapon or type of ammo I need to stockpile. ;-) FRegards,

Hat-Trick

83 posted on 09/24/2004 2:01:36 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: CHARLITE

And North Korea's assets must be taken out on same day. It is maddness to let either one of these two regimes continue their development.

Also we do not want the MSM's talking about this till after election.


84 posted on 09/24/2004 2:11:58 PM PDT by free_life
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To: pipecorp; CHARLITE

<< Thank GOD - NOT al lah, for Israel. >>

What's al lah?


85 posted on 09/24/2004 3:49:28 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American: An AMERICAN-American - AND a Dollar-a-Day FReeper-2XBlessed!)
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To: Alouette; SJackson; dennisw; veronica; Mia T; jmstein7; TopQuark; knighthawk; OldFriend; ...

There will be NO iranian bomb.

Not one.

Zero.

Nada.

Ziltch.

àó àçã!

Bet your life on it!


86 posted on 09/24/2004 3:55:08 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American: An AMERICAN-American - AND a Dollar-a-Day FReeper-2XBlessed!)
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To: escapefromboston
"what was IRAN thinking??

You are assuming that they are rational, like the USSR.

They're not and have given evidence for that in their pronouncements that they intend to take out Israel when the the stuff is cooked.

I think they truly believe that Allah Wills It.

87 posted on 09/24/2004 4:00:42 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: aegiscg47

I don't think Isreal is going to wait for us - unless we pressure them to wait.


88 posted on 09/24/2004 4:03:25 PM PDT by raivyn (send the homeboy back for 4 more years!)
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To: free_life
And North Korea's assets must be taken out on same day.

Kind of a Michael Corleone moment, eh ?

89 posted on 09/24/2004 4:11:48 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Travis McGee

This must happen before that. I'm certain that Israel is not going to wait for them to launch a nuclear strike though. The anti-Israeli war will always find an excuse to increase hatred for Israel, so it's a no-win situation anyway. There's some sort of a false peace before the "big one".


90 posted on 09/24/2004 4:26:09 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; Taiwan Bocks; ...
A bunch of Jewish fighters jocks and American fly-boys flying the most advanced aerial weapons systems in production, off to save the rest of a mediocre, servile, and cowardly world.

Ah, well. Steady hands, airman ... steady nerves....





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91 posted on 09/24/2004 7:01:35 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Tamar1973
I respectfully disagree.

There are two kinds of surprise, strategic and tactical, which in this case translate roughly as "if" and "when." "If" is not in question; barring a revolution that throws the mullahs out of power (and preferably over a cliff), Israel and/or America will strike Iran, together or separately, under one flag or two. No-one doubts this, least of all the mullahs, and I'm sure they are building up their air defenses every day.

"When" is another question. An operation like the one described in the article is a massive undertaking in terms of planning, logistics, etc. Plans have to be made and tested, men trained, forces positioned, and so on. Much of this can be very obvious to a trained observer (and all jokes aside, we can't assume that Iran's intel people are completely incompetent), and hiding it makes things even tougher.

Can tactical surprise still be achieved? Yes! Israel is GOOD at surprises. It shouldn't be done in haste - think about the disastrous attempt to rescue the American hostages in Tehran in 1980 - but once the prep work is done, the sooner the better.

DISCLAIMER: I am not in the military, and if I'm wrong any freepers with experience in this area are cordially invited to correct me.
92 posted on 09/24/2004 7:45:48 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: CHARLITE; All

OH OH Something is up stupid elite media is sleep

OH OH


93 posted on 09/24/2004 7:58:38 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Sam Cree

I'm not denying the need for the program to be halted. Iran has a wealth of more conventional means to generate electricity without nuclear power.


94 posted on 09/24/2004 9:16:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God! It has felt good to have a First Lady who is a LADY.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well stated, from where I sit.


95 posted on 09/24/2004 9:23:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 103198
You do need hydrogen isotopes (deuterium and tritium) if you are going to make a thermonuclear device (H bomb). Tritium can be made by bombarding Li - they couldn't be thinking H bomb too - could they?

Why pi$$ around with a Flivver when you can have a Ferrari?

Actually, the Iranians and the Chinese have been buddies for a long time, with silkworm missles among the technologies exchanged.

With some NEST data hard drives disappearing from Los Alamos, and Wen Ho Li and others funneling such data to the Chinese (Clinton Administration), it wouldn't surprise me if they were eyeing the construction of anything right up to the W88.

Add a small complement of Kilo Class subs and an agreement with Mozambique for port/maintenance facilities that dates back to the 1990's and you have a serious potential threat.

A thermonuclear warhead, loaded on a Kilo class sub with a crew of martyrs, inserted into a carrier group by laying doggo and letting the fleet run over top of their position, then detonated, could effectively eliminate a carrier group. (Kilo class subs can be extremely quiet, simply because the diesel electrics have no reactor coolant pumps to run. )

Similarly, with a warhead applied at the proper choke point navigation could be stoped, or this could be used to eliminate oil loading platforms, submarine pipelines, or virtually any imaginable facility with deepwater access, either in the middle east, or the rest of the world.

This is a credible and serious threat.

96 posted on 09/24/2004 9:32:41 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God! It has felt good to have a First Lady who is a LADY.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
How will the Commonwealth of Independent States take to having their technicians attacked?

Despite a lot of bluster, they took Beslan pretty much lying down.

You seem to believe in the existence of 'moderate Islam'. I've heard a lot about it, but I find experimental proof lacking. There are a lot of Iranians who want to be able to import soft porn and shed the burqas. I'm not sure there are a lot who are willing to tolerate the existence of Israel or to argue when the local goons yell 'death to America'.

If Israel can do the job with precision-guided conventional munitions, I say, go for it. It would be more efficient with tactical nukes, which Israel certainly has, but probably the international wailing and gnashing of teeth would be best avoided.

Me, I don't think there's a majority Islamic state that should be allowed to have matchlocks, but one step at a time.

97 posted on 09/24/2004 9:44:05 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you very much. I just hope that our estimates of when the Iranians will get nukes (if not stopped) are correct.


98 posted on 09/24/2004 9:46:56 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Alouette

Yes, prayers for your Son on this holiest of Jewish observances!


99 posted on 09/24/2004 10:08:08 PM PDT by ZOTnot (first "LADY?" (Theresa: 'Idiots', 'Shove it', 'Scumbags'). [I'll stick with Laura,please!])
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To: All

For what it's worth . I have a good friend in NY City who is from Israel. He dad is , lets say , in a position of importance back in Israel. We talk politics when we meet and this guy in nYC is very bright and very well informed. Once in a rare while he'll tell em something with unshaking confidence . We were talking about Iran's nuke project . My friend smiled , pointed his finger at me and said "It will not happen " I replied that , yea, I wouldnt doubt that Israel dosen't try to .." Before I even finished the sentence he again smiled. "My friend , you're not looking at me..It will NOT happen, it is already in the works , come see me in a month and we'll celebrate the big smoking hole in the ground in Iran "..Only 3 times in 3 years has he ever gotten that cocky and sure with me about a mid east situation and all 3 times he called it dead on ..Just passing it on for what it's worth ..


100 posted on 09/24/2004 10:08:37 PM PDT by omstrat (zip code)
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